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	<title>Comments on: Dinosaurs: Beyond Cute</title>
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	<description>A blog about life, past and future. Written by DISCOVER contributing editor and columnist Carl Zimmer.</description>
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		<title>By: Shake Your Jurassic Tail Feather &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-10688</link>
		<dc:creator>Shake Your Jurassic Tail Feather &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of them are not even frightening. They&#8217;re fuzzy, feathery little critters. But, as I&#8217;ve written before, cuteness is not what drives paleontologists to hunt for these fossils and spend years poring over [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of them are not even frightening. They&#8217;re fuzzy, feathery little critters. But, as I&#8217;ve written before, cuteness is not what drives paleontologists to hunt for these fossils and spend years poring over [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Miller</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-5484</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is a very good phylogeny, which is why I like the paper. I like the phylogeny even more than Mahakala! :-D However, like I said before, the suggestion that Deinonychosauria is secondarily flightless is completely ignored, which makes me a sad panda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is a very good phylogeny, which is why I like the paper. I like the phylogeny even more than Mahakala! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  However, like I said before, the suggestion that Deinonychosauria is secondarily flightless is completely ignored, which makes me a sad panda.</p>
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		<title>By: J. V. Jackson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-5483</link>
		<dc:creator>J. V. Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, webmaster! (...in comment 15).  (I hope it was realised that my attack was directed at the paper rather than the original blog post.)

Many people think the reason they can&#039;t understand why palaeontologists think as they do is because the palaeontologists are using more sophisticated thinking or more obscure knowledge.  Scott Adams blogs about this:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/09/fossils-still-b.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/09/fossils-still-b.html&lt;/a&gt;

Generating these family trees is an exercise in the use of numerical statistics (on biological entities) to generate belief.

It truly is a miracle that those such as the majority of palaeontologists, gain a greater insight into such areas from their geology undergraduate degree than those who disagree with them and who have either postgrad qualifications in subjects around information and knowledge processing, or who have done foundation work in developing cladistics algorithms (such as Felsenstein) but who do not endorse the palaeontologists&#039; conclusions.

Even more astonishing is the amazing superiority of insight those who merely aim to study palaeontology when they leave school have, over those whose opinions one might otherwise have considered valid due to their background.

Having said that though... the Turner et al 2007 paper produced the most realistic family tree yet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, webmaster! (&#8230;in comment 15).  (I hope it was realised that my attack was directed at the paper rather than the original blog post.)</p>
<p>Many people think the reason they can&#8217;t understand why palaeontologists think as they do is because the palaeontologists are using more sophisticated thinking or more obscure knowledge.  Scott Adams blogs about this:<br />
<a href="http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/09/fossils-still-b.html" rel="nofollow">http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/09/fossils-still-b.html</a></p>
<p>Generating these family trees is an exercise in the use of numerical statistics (on biological entities) to generate belief.</p>
<p>It truly is a miracle that those such as the majority of palaeontologists, gain a greater insight into such areas from their geology undergraduate degree than those who disagree with them and who have either postgrad qualifications in subjects around information and knowledge processing, or who have done foundation work in developing cladistics algorithms (such as Felsenstein) but who do not endorse the palaeontologists&#8217; conclusions.</p>
<p>Even more astonishing is the amazing superiority of insight those who merely aim to study palaeontology when they leave school have, over those whose opinions one might otherwise have considered valid due to their background.</p>
<p>Having said that though&#8230; the Turner et al 2007 paper produced the most realistic family tree yet!</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Miller</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-5482</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For reasons I can&#039;t fully comprehent, the paleontology community (for the most part) is very uncomfortable with the idea that Paraves was flighted, and that flight was lost in the Deinonychosauria. The idea has been around for almost thirty years, but despite the numerous anatomical modifications for flight (or loss of flight) in the dromaeosauroids and troodontids, those two groups are always regaled to a &quot;so close, yet so far&quot; outgrouping to Aves proper.

This bothers me, because in the midst of all the evidence to the contrary, paleontologists steadfastly block out any idea that deinonychosaurs are secondarily flightless. It&#039;s certainly POSSIBLE, but that possibility is rarely brought up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For reasons I can&#8217;t fully comprehent, the paleontology community (for the most part) is very uncomfortable with the idea that Paraves was flighted, and that flight was lost in the Deinonychosauria. The idea has been around for almost thirty years, but despite the numerous anatomical modifications for flight (or loss of flight) in the dromaeosauroids and troodontids, those two groups are always regaled to a &#8220;so close, yet so far&#8221; outgrouping to Aves proper.</p>
<p>This bothers me, because in the midst of all the evidence to the contrary, paleontologists steadfastly block out any idea that deinonychosaurs are secondarily flightless. It&#8217;s certainly POSSIBLE, but that possibility is rarely brought up.</p>
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		<title>By: J. V. Jackson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-5481</link>
		<dc:creator>J. V. Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s extraordinary that the authors failed to state the obvious message underlying the whole analysis:
Check the cladogram for yourself, and note that although the top (&quot;bird&quot;) part obviously contains fliers, the bottom part contains Microraptors with not two but four wings, and Rahonavis whose forelimbs, if wings, would be considered long if found in a modern bird (though of perfect wing form).  Now ask which of these two options you think it represents:

1: The entire lot were descended from flying ancestry, some losing it later.

2: Flight evolved more than once in this group.

Now ask yourself why the authors choose the latter, and consider it so obvious a choice that they don&#039;t consider it worth defending.

Also, ask why the authors made the arbitrary, undefended decision to put Archaeopteryx some way away from the root node, when they could have indicated the whole tree was descended from something very close to Archaeopteryx by giving the root Archaeopteryx as one daughter and the rest of the tree as the other.  After all, they&#039;ve already opined that the root species was ... - matching Archaeopteryx perfectly.  Making the earliest type a daughter of the root minimises the total (ghost) lineage of a cladogram; having a cladogram with excessive ghost lineage (which this one has - I tested it yesterday) invalidates it as a tree that could have been produced by evolutionary processes.

Now ask yourself why we should waste time on deciding whether Jinfengopteryx was a bird or a troodont.

Now ask what the ancestor of Archaeopteryx was if all the birdlike types shown here are descended from &quot;something extremely similar to Archaeopteryx&quot;.  Oviraptors?  Allosaurs?

This paper has convinced people to write stuff like:
&quot;This finding will have to be taken into consideration in future hypotheses about the origin of flight.&quot;  Why just future hypotheses?  Why not honour the duty the authors owe to the public and tell them about some of the other theories that have been knocking around for decades?  After all science is supposed to be about comparing theories.
Also:
&quot;The small size of birds was not an adaptation to flight.&quot;  Evidence is observations better accounted for by one theory than another.  There&#039;s plenty in this paper that is better explained by the theory that the ancestor of troodonts and dromaeosaurs (the non-&quot;bird&quot; parts of the cladogram) could fly.
It&#039;s a mistake to choose an alternative, and a scandal to suggest to the public that only those alternatives exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s extraordinary that the authors failed to state the obvious message underlying the whole analysis:<br />
Check the cladogram for yourself, and note that although the top (&#8220;bird&#8221;) part obviously contains fliers, the bottom part contains Microraptors with not two but four wings, and Rahonavis whose forelimbs, if wings, would be considered long if found in a modern bird (though of perfect wing form).  Now ask which of these two options you think it represents:</p>
<p>1: The entire lot were descended from flying ancestry, some losing it later.</p>
<p>2: Flight evolved more than once in this group.</p>
<p>Now ask yourself why the authors choose the latter, and consider it so obvious a choice that they don&#8217;t consider it worth defending.</p>
<p>Also, ask why the authors made the arbitrary, undefended decision to put Archaeopteryx some way away from the root node, when they could have indicated the whole tree was descended from something very close to Archaeopteryx by giving the root Archaeopteryx as one daughter and the rest of the tree as the other.  After all, they&#8217;ve already opined that the root species was &#8230; &#8211; matching Archaeopteryx perfectly.  Making the earliest type a daughter of the root minimises the total (ghost) lineage of a cladogram; having a cladogram with excessive ghost lineage (which this one has &#8211; I tested it yesterday) invalidates it as a tree that could have been produced by evolutionary processes.</p>
<p>Now ask yourself why we should waste time on deciding whether Jinfengopteryx was a bird or a troodont.</p>
<p>Now ask what the ancestor of Archaeopteryx was if all the birdlike types shown here are descended from &#8220;something extremely similar to Archaeopteryx&#8221;.  Oviraptors?  Allosaurs?</p>
<p>This paper has convinced people to write stuff like:<br />
&#8220;This finding will have to be taken into consideration in future hypotheses about the origin of flight.&#8221;  Why just future hypotheses?  Why not honour the duty the authors owe to the public and tell them about some of the other theories that have been knocking around for decades?  After all science is supposed to be about comparing theories.<br />
Also:<br />
&#8220;The small size of birds was not an adaptation to flight.&#8221;  Evidence is observations better accounted for by one theory than another.  There&#8217;s plenty in this paper that is better explained by the theory that the ancestor of troodonts and dromaeosaurs (the non-&#8221;bird&#8221; parts of the cladogram) could fly.<br />
It&#8217;s a mistake to choose an alternative, and a scandal to suggest to the public that only those alternatives exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Miller</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-5480</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, they probably DID become hyperpredators thanks to an absence of competition. During the Early Cretaceous in North America, when Deinonychus and Utahraptor were the big predators, tyrannosaurs had yet to migrate from Asia, and allosaurs were in decline (I believe it was just Acrocanthosaurus at that point). Troodontids may have gotten larger based for some other reason, as they were hunting different things and, at only six feet long, never got as large as the big raptors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, they probably DID become hyperpredators thanks to an absence of competition. During the Early Cretaceous in North America, when Deinonychus and Utahraptor were the big predators, tyrannosaurs had yet to migrate from Asia, and allosaurs were in decline (I believe it was just Acrocanthosaurus at that point). Troodontids may have gotten larger based for some other reason, as they were hunting different things and, at only six feet long, never got as large as the big raptors.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Ferrari</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-5479</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco Ferrari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many occasions &quot;modern&quot; birds got big. Moas (New Zealand), elephant birds (&lt;i&gt;Aepyornis&lt;/i&gt;, Madagascar), &lt;i&gt;Gastornis&lt;/i&gt; (Americas). And, almost always, it was in absence of competitors (I gather mammals, in these cases). Might it be the same for the big deinonychosaurs? Any evidence of absence?

Marco</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many occasions &#8220;modern&#8221; birds got big. Moas (New Zealand), elephant birds (<i>Aepyornis</i>, Madagascar), <i>Gastornis</i> (Americas). And, almost always, it was in absence of competitors (I gather mammals, in these cases). Might it be the same for the big deinonychosaurs? Any evidence of absence?</p>
<p>Marco</p>
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		<title>By: kai</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-5478</link>
		<dc:creator>kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Earlier studies have pointed to those groups as close relatives of dinosaurs before&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Should this actually say &quot;close relatives of &lt;em&gt;birds&lt;/em&gt;&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Earlier studies have pointed to those groups as close relatives of dinosaurs before</p></blockquote>
<p>Should this actually say &#8220;close relatives of <em>birds</em>&#8220;?</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Miller</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-5477</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all dinosaurs evolved into birds. Only one branch of paravian maniraptoran tetanurine neotheropodian saurichischian dinosaurs evolved into birds. The rest went extinct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all dinosaurs evolved into birds. Only one branch of paravian maniraptoran tetanurine neotheropodian saurichischian dinosaurs evolved into birds. The rest went extinct.</p>
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		<title>By: LT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think a stegosaurus looks anything like a bird....if dinosaurs evolved into birds, what kind of bird did the huge, bulky dinosaurs develop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think a stegosaurus looks anything like a bird&#8230;.if dinosaurs evolved into birds, what kind of bird did the huge, bulky dinosaurs develop?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-5475</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl, for shame, for shame sir! Where are you italics on the genus and species names?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, for shame, for shame sir! Where are you italics on the genus and species names?</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Miller</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-5474</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, you&#039;re my HERO. Boy, the supplementary data is a paper in itself. Got to love Cope&#039;s Rule on this one. One wonders how far back the Paravian lineage goes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, you&#8217;re my HERO. Boy, the supplementary data is a paper in itself. Got to love Cope&#8217;s Rule on this one. One wonders how far back the Paravian lineage goes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas R. Holtz, Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas R. Holtz, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>djlactin,

The analysis that Turner et al. used did not include modern birds. What is shown on the figure is only the eumaniraptoran (= Avialae + Deinonychosauria) part of the larger theropod analysis included in the supplementary data.

By the way, the paper is available &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/317/5843/1378.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and the supplementary data &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/317/5843/1378/DC1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>djlactin,</p>
<p>The analysis that Turner et al. used did not include modern birds. What is shown on the figure is only the eumaniraptoran (= Avialae + Deinonychosauria) part of the larger theropod analysis included in the supplementary data.</p>
<p>By the way, the paper is available <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/317/5843/1378.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a> and the supplementary data <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/317/5843/1378/DC1" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: djlactin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-5472</link>
		<dc:creator>djlactin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;occassions&quot;?  for shame, carl!

a real comment on the contents:  i&#039;m dismayed that the upper (bird) clade in the diagram does not continue to the present.  is this an oversight or an artifact of incomplete taaxonomic coverage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;occassions&#8221;?  for shame, carl!</p>
<p>a real comment on the contents:  i&#8217;m dismayed that the upper (bird) clade in the diagram does not continue to the present.  is this an oversight or an artifact of incomplete taaxonomic coverage?</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So if this little bugger is the newest basalmost dromaeosauroid, that means that deinonychosaurs were not ancesterally flighted.&quot;

Well.....it simply means the ur-dromaeosaurid _may_ have not engaged in flight, you still have the
ur-deinonychosaurid and further-back, the ur-paravid, either which may have been flighted(if I&#039;m reading the tree correctly).Semantics I know :)

Let&#039;s not even talk about Rahonavis seeming to have re-aquired flight btw *Buitreraptor* and *Uenlagia*

Dang, maniraptorans are just devious little stick insects they are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So if this little bugger is the newest basalmost dromaeosauroid, that means that deinonychosaurs were not ancesterally flighted.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well&#8230;..it simply means the ur-dromaeosaurid _may_ have not engaged in flight, you still have the<br />
ur-deinonychosaurid and further-back, the ur-paravid, either which may have been flighted(if I&#8217;m reading the tree correctly).Semantics I know <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not even talk about Rahonavis seeming to have re-aquired flight btw *Buitreraptor* and *Uenlagia*</p>
<p>Dang, maniraptorans are just devious little stick insects they are!</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Miller</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-5470</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God, I love Paravian evolution. So if this little bugger is the newest basalmost dromaeosauroid, that means that deinonychosaurs were not ancesterally flighted. How does Mahakala differ from Sinovenator? I have yet to read (or even get) the paper, so I&#039;d love to know the details. Actually, if you have the paper, sir, I&#039;d love it if you could email it to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, I love Paravian evolution. So if this little bugger is the newest basalmost dromaeosauroid, that means that deinonychosaurs were not ancesterally flighted. How does Mahakala differ from Sinovenator? I have yet to read (or even get) the paper, so I&#8217;d love to know the details. Actually, if you have the paper, sir, I&#8217;d love it if you could email it to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Zimmer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-5469</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Zimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim--Birds are the uppermost lineage. Only the primitive ancient birds were included in this study. Living birds would share a common ancestor with the branch that included Yixianornis and Apsaravis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim&#8211;Birds are the uppermost lineage. Only the primitive ancient birds were included in this study. Living birds would share a common ancestor with the branch that included Yixianornis and Apsaravis.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lemire</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/06/dinosaurs-beyond-cute/comment-page-1/#comment-5468</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Lemire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where on the cladogram does the lineage leading to modern birds arise?</description>
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