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	<title>Comments on: Carrying Ancient History In The Gut</title>
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	<description>A blog about life, past and future. Written by DISCOVER contributing editor and columnist Carl Zimmer.</description>
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		<title>By: Bob Phillips</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/27/carrying-ancient-history-in-the-gut/comment-page-1/#comment-14565</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In September of this year I was subjected to a bout of Giardia infection.  It was horrible.  At the same time I came down with C. diff.  It was determined that both were a result of something from the Maryland State Fair.

I did find some humor in it when I was finally cured.  So I wrote a post for my Blog.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In September of this year I was subjected to a bout of Giardia infection.  It was horrible.  At the same time I came down with C. diff.  It was determined that both were a result of something from the Maryland State Fair.</p>
<p>I did find some humor in it when I was finally cured.  So I wrote a post for my Blog.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Your Yeasty Network &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/27/carrying-ancient-history-in-the-gut/comment-page-1/#comment-8465</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Yeasty Network &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] study joins a growing list of cases in which scientists are discovering the simple history of our complicated biology. I just [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] study joins a growing list of cases in which scientists are discovering the simple history of our complicated biology. I just [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Marjanovi&#263;</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/27/carrying-ancient-history-in-the-gut/comment-page-1/#comment-5563</link>
		<dc:creator>David Marjanovi&#263;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 23:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But most recent studies of the eukaryote tree find those five branches all seem to burst from the tree&#039;s base all at once.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s only what it looks like on most depictions. We have next to no idea where the base is. We can&#039;t root the tree because the closest known relative, Archaea as a whole, is so far away. Something like 5 suggestions exist in the recent literature...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But most recent studies of the eukaryote tree find those five branches all seem to burst from the tree&#8217;s base all at once.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s only what it looks like on most depictions. We have next to no idea where the base is. We can&#8217;t root the tree because the closest known relative, Archaea as a whole, is so far away. Something like 5 suggestions exist in the recent literature&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Torbj</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/27/carrying-ancient-history-in-the-gut/comment-page-1/#comment-5562</link>
		<dc:creator>Torbj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. &lt;a href=&quot;http://genomicron.blogspot.com/2007/07/junk-and-genomes-in-scientist.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;evolutionary biologist TR Gregory of &lt;i&gt;Genomicron&lt;/i&gt; describes &quot;primitive&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. <a href="http://genomicron.blogspot.com/2007/07/junk-and-genomes-in-scientist.html" rel="nofollow">evolutionary biologist TR Gregory of <i>Genomicron</i> describes &#8220;primitive&#8221;</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Torbj</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/27/carrying-ancient-history-in-the-gut/comment-page-1/#comment-5561</link>
		<dc:creator>Torbj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, this post made much more sense than the press release.

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The deepest branches might be more primitive than newer ones, not having acquired the full eukaryote package of traits.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Okay, the current use of &quot;primitive&quot; seems fraught with danger as the &quot;ladder&quot; idea of species seems to prevail in public. The neutral idea should as I understand it indicate a more ancestral like organism. evolutionary biologist TR Gregory of &lt;i&gt;Genomicron&lt;/i&gt; describes it as:

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&quot;Primitive&quot; does not mean &quot;less complex&quot; or &quot;less advanced&quot;, it means &quot;more like the last common ancestor of the groups being compared&quot;.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is perhaps equivalent with &quot;deepest branches&quot;.

On the other hand, and a bit confusingly referenced to, these branches may have already acquired &quot;the full eukaryote package&quot;. The sentence refers to a specific hypotheses among the possible ones, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, this post made much more sense than the press release.</p>
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The deepest branches might be more primitive than newer ones, not having acquired the full eukaryote package of traits.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay, the current use of &#8220;primitive&#8221; seems fraught with danger as the &#8220;ladder&#8221; idea of species seems to prevail in public. The neutral idea should as I understand it indicate a more ancestral like organism. evolutionary biologist TR Gregory of <i>Genomicron</i> describes it as:</p>
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&#8220;Primitive&#8221; does not mean &#8220;less complex&#8221; or &#8220;less advanced&#8221;, it means &#8220;more like the last common ancestor of the groups being compared&#8221;.
</p></blockquote>
<p>That is perhaps equivalent with &#8220;deepest branches&#8221;.</p>
<p>On the other hand, and a bit confusingly referenced to, these branches may have already acquired &#8220;the full eukaryote package&#8221;. The sentence refers to a specific hypotheses among the possible ones, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: King Aardvark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/27/carrying-ancient-history-in-the-gut/comment-page-1/#comment-5560</link>
		<dc:creator>King Aardvark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know what happens if you remove one of the two nuclei?  Is the organism able to survive ok or are both required for some reason?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know what happens if you remove one of the two nuclei?  Is the organism able to survive ok or are both required for some reason?</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/27/carrying-ancient-history-in-the-gut/comment-page-1/#comment-5559</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t talk to me about Giardia! Our new puppy came down with a dose of that within a few weeks of our getting her, then when the drugs seemed to have worked killing off that pest, she got a Campylobacter infection, and while we were treating her for that the Giardia came back. Thank goodness for pet insurance.

Dave B

PS She&#039;s fine now, by the way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t talk to me about Giardia! Our new puppy came down with a dose of that within a few weeks of our getting her, then when the drugs seemed to have worked killing off that pest, she got a Campylobacter infection, and while we were treating her for that the Giardia came back. Thank goodness for pet insurance.</p>
<p>Dave B</p>
<p>PS She&#8217;s fine now, by the way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: inaki</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/27/carrying-ancient-history-in-the-gut/comment-page-1/#comment-5558</link>
		<dc:creator>inaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice writing. The root of the eukaryotic tree is indeed a fascinating story and Giardia perfectly exemplifies the difficulties of scientist on determining it.
Congratulations on you blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice writing. The root of the eukaryotic tree is indeed a fascinating story and Giardia perfectly exemplifies the difficulties of scientist on determining it.<br />
Congratulations on you blog!</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/27/carrying-ancient-history-in-the-gut/comment-page-1/#comment-5557</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one time I contracted &lt;i&gt;Gardia&lt;/i&gt; was when I made the mistake of drinking the water in the high Rockies. Seems that sheep graze there, unbeknownst to me.

The doctor treated me as soon a symptoms appeared. &#039;Cured&quot; it. That was in 1976.

However, I had a reoccurance about 2 years ago. The only suspect was mistakenly drinking some tap water which had sat in a plastic drinking bottle for many, many months.

I&#039;d say those nasty little critters are highly evolved...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one time I contracted <i>Gardia</i> was when I made the mistake of drinking the water in the high Rockies. Seems that sheep graze there, unbeknownst to me.</p>
<p>The doctor treated me as soon a symptoms appeared. &#8216;Cured&#8221; it. That was in 1976.</p>
<p>However, I had a reoccurance about 2 years ago. The only suspect was mistakenly drinking some tap water which had sat in a plastic drinking bottle for many, many months.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say those nasty little critters are highly evolved&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nic Nicholson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/27/carrying-ancient-history-in-the-gut/comment-page-1/#comment-5556</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic Nicholson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be a bad link to MicrobeWiki; it complains of a bad title...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a bad link to MicrobeWiki; it complains of a bad title&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/27/carrying-ancient-history-in-the-gut/comment-page-1/#comment-5555</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were interesting comments on Giardia in:
Christian De Duve,
Vital Dust: Life as a Cosmic Imperative, 1995.

Relevant pages are listed in the index.

I have not kept current on Giardia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were interesting comments on Giardia in:<br />
Christian De Duve,<br />
Vital Dust: Life as a Cosmic Imperative, 1995.</p>
<p>Relevant pages are listed in the index.</p>
<p>I have not kept current on Giardia.</p>
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		<title>By: Dez</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/09/27/carrying-ancient-history-in-the-gut/comment-page-1/#comment-5554</link>
		<dc:creator>Dez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting (as all your writings seem to be) but I&#039;m puzzled by your references to difficulties in treating giardia. I&#039;ve had it 4 or 5 times, and each time was successfully (and rapidly) treated by taking tinidazole--no need for it to &#039;last for months&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting (as all your writings seem to be) but I&#8217;m puzzled by your references to difficulties in treating giardia. I&#8217;ve had it 4 or 5 times, and each time was successfully (and rapidly) treated by taking tinidazole&#8211;no need for it to &#8216;last for months&#8217;.</p>
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