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		<title>By: YourTechWorld &#187; X-Rays From Accelerator Show Archaeopteryx Was Chemically Linked to Birds &#124; 80beats</title>
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		<dc:creator>YourTechWorld &#187; X-Rays From Accelerator Show Archaeopteryx Was Chemically Linked to Birds &#124; 80beats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 23:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Content: DISCOVER: Birds May Have Used Big Brains To Outlast the Dinosaurs The Loom: A Hairy Archaeopteryx?  80beats: &#8220;Bizarre&#8221; And Fluffy Dino May Have Used Feathers To Attract Mates Science [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Content: DISCOVER: Birds May Have Used Big Brains To Outlast the Dinosaurs The Loom: A Hairy Archaeopteryx?  80beats: &#8220;Bizarre&#8221; And Fluffy Dino May Have Used Feathers To Attract Mates Science [...] </p>
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		<title>By: How To Be A Bat [Life in Motion] &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>How To Be A Bat [Life in Motion] &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bat fossils suggest that they may have shifted from gliding to alternating between gliding and bursts of fluttering. Eventually bats evolved sustained powered [...] </description>
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		<title>By: David Peters</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/02/13/a-hairy-archaeopteryx/#comment-6444</link>
		<dc:creator>David Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl,

The origin of bats has been an enigma. My own phylogenetic studies indicate that bats evolved from primitive civets, one of which, the extant Ptilocercus, has been misidentified as a tree shrew.

And to John Conway&#039;s comment about pterosaurs, there are five genera that increasingly approach the pterosaurs. The first has been recognized as a basal lizard. The latter four have that unusual fifth toe and reduced chevrons among many other characters. 1) Huehuecuetzpalli. 2) Langobardisaurus. 3) Cosesaurus. 4) Sharovipteryx. and 5. Longisquama. As in birds, the wings came last.

David Peters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl,</p>
<p>The origin of bats has been an enigma. My own phylogenetic studies indicate that bats evolved from primitive civets, one of which, the extant Ptilocercus, has been misidentified as a tree shrew.</p>
<p>And to John Conway&#8217;s comment about pterosaurs, there are five genera that increasingly approach the pterosaurs. The first has been recognized as a basal lizard. The latter four have that unusual fifth toe and reduced chevrons among many other characters. 1) Huehuecuetzpalli. 2) Langobardisaurus. 3) Cosesaurus. 4) Sharovipteryx. and 5. Longisquama. As in birds, the wings came last.</p>
<p>David Peters</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Zimmer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/02/13/a-hairy-archaeopteryx/#comment-6443</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Zimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DDeden [#13): Long compared to other mammals, short compared to other bat species.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DDeden [#13): Long compared to other mammals, short compared to other bat species.</p>
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		<title>By: DDeden</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/02/13/a-hairy-archaeopteryx/#comment-6442</link>
		<dc:creator>DDeden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Onychonycteris had long arms and fingers...

Its arms were relatively short...

I&#039;m relatively confused, can you clarify a bit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onychonycteris had long arms and fingers&#8230;</p>
<p>Its arms were relatively short&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m relatively confused, can you clarify a bit?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carl,

I was surprised to read on Wiki &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_echolocation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Animal echolocation&lt;/a&gt; thatapparently not all bats have this ability.

On 9 AUG 2006, ABC News had this story &lt;a href=&quot;http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2283048&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  Blind People Who Interact With the World Like Dolphins and Bats&lt;/a&gt;.
&quot;Fourteen-year-old Ben Underwood of Sacramento, Calif., is one of the few people known to use echolocation as a primary means of navigating the world on land. There&#039;s not even a hint of light reaching his brain. His eyes are artificial, but his brain has adapted to allow him to appraise his environment. He makes a &quot;clicking&quot; sound to communicate with objects and people around him.&quot;
&quot;Forty-year-old Daniel Kish of Long Beach, Calif., also uses echolocation, and has become an expert on it, founding the World Access for the Blind, an organization that teaches others how to echolocate.&quot;
&quot;Peter Scheifele, who studies hearing and sound production in animals and people at the University of Connecticut, analyzed samples of the clicks that Ben and Kish make
&quot;Ben clicks, looks to me like once every half second, whereas a dolphin is actually making 900 clicks per second.&quot;

Wiki does have an entry on &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_echolocation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Human echolocation&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carl,</p>
<p>I was surprised to read on Wiki <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_echolocation" rel="nofollow"> Animal echolocation</a> thatapparently not all bats have this ability.</p>
<p>On 9 AUG 2006, ABC News had this story <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2283048" rel="nofollow">  Blind People Who Interact With the World Like Dolphins and Bats</a>.<br />
&#8220;Fourteen-year-old Ben Underwood of Sacramento, Calif., is one of the few people known to use echolocation as a primary means of navigating the world on land. There&#8217;s not even a hint of light reaching his brain. His eyes are artificial, but his brain has adapted to allow him to appraise his environment. He makes a &#8220;clicking&#8221; sound to communicate with objects and people around him.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Forty-year-old Daniel Kish of Long Beach, Calif., also uses echolocation, and has become an expert on it, founding the World Access for the Blind, an organization that teaches others how to echolocate.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Peter Scheifele, who studies hearing and sound production in animals and people at the University of Connecticut, analyzed samples of the clicks that Ben and Kish make<br />
&#8220;Ben clicks, looks to me like once every half second, whereas a dolphin is actually making 900 clicks per second.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wiki does have an entry on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_echolocation" rel="nofollow"> Human echolocation</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Eiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Eiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John S. Wilkins: You may be right that echolocation is plesiomorphic (see a good review in Jones and Teeling, 2006, TREE 21:149), though not really for the reasons you specify, as the echolocation calls of Rousettus (the megabat to which you refer) are produced in a fundamentally different manner from those of all other echolocating bats and likely represent a reacquisition of echolocation. In any case, echolocation is a plesiomorphy apparently only shared by the clade including Icaronycteris and its sister taxa (all other bats except for Onychonycteris). Importantly, the new bat, Onychorhynchus, falls outside the clade for which echolocation can be considered primitive, which gets to the heart of why this find is so intriguing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John S. Wilkins: You may be right that echolocation is plesiomorphic (see a good review in Jones and Teeling, 2006, TREE 21:149), though not really for the reasons you specify, as the echolocation calls of Rousettus (the megabat to which you refer) are produced in a fundamentally different manner from those of all other echolocating bats and likely represent a reacquisition of echolocation. In any case, echolocation is a plesiomorphy apparently only shared by the clade including Icaronycteris and its sister taxa (all other bats except for Onychonycteris). Importantly, the new bat, Onychorhynchus, falls outside the clade for which echolocation can be considered primitive, which gets to the heart of why this find is so intriguing.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl,

Articles such as this are the reasons that I keep coming back to you for more. You took this news and put it into its proper perspective. Good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl,</p>
<p>Articles such as this are the reasons that I keep coming back to you for more. You took this news and put it into its proper perspective. Good work.</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Wilkins</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/02/13/a-hairy-archaeopteryx/#comment-6438</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Wilkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some fruitbats do echolocate, indicating that it is a plesiomorphy of the clade (now that bats are regarded as monophyletic).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some fruitbats do echolocate, indicating that it is a plesiomorphy of the clade (now that bats are regarded as monophyletic).</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always liked bats.  In the summer I like to go out at sunset and watch them fly out of their hiding places.  I can usually tell them from birds easily from the shape of the wing and the distinctive flight pattern you describe.  I like that we&#039;re learning more about how that flight pattern evolved from these new fossils.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always liked bats.  In the summer I like to go out at sunset and watch them fly out of their hiding places.  I can usually tell them from birds easily from the shape of the wing and the distinctive flight pattern you describe.  I like that we&#8217;re learning more about how that flight pattern evolved from these new fossils.</p>
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