Comments on: Dawn of the Picasso Fish http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/ A blog about life, past and future. Written by DISCOVER contributing editor and columnist Carl Zimmer. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:09:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Yay For Turtle Ancestors! | www.jeffthefish.com http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-12343 Yay For Turtle Ancestors! | www.jeffthefish.com Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:29:44 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-12343 [...] which happens surprisingly often.  I’ve done it once before, that I can remember, and I missed an awesome one that was written about over the summer.  I created a special category called Transitional Forms so [...] […] which happens surprisingly often.  I’ve done it once before, that I can remember, and I missed an awesome one that was written about over the summer.  I created a special category called Transitional Forms so […]

]]> By: Weird Eyes | The Loom | Discover Magazine http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-10561 Weird Eyes | The Loom | Discover Magazine Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:07:09 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-10561 [...] examples of eyes evolving in weird ways. One example may be familiar to readers of this blog–the flatfish. The other example, illustrated here, is the stalk-eyed fly. The point I try to make in the piece [...] […] examples of eyes evolving in weird ways. One example may be familiar to readers of this blog–the flatfish. The other example, illustrated here, is the stalk-eyed fly. The point I try to make in the piece […]

]]> By: Ottawa U http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-8947 Ottawa U Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:49:19 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-8947 Oh adam...please.. Global warming is a fact period. It's partly normal and partly our doing. What the end effect will be and what we should do about it is another. I've never been an alarmist, but I come to my own conclusions, and spent way too much time researching my own facts. The real problem is everything gets politicized and confounded, to be polite. That our leaders are Lying asshats and we're blind 1D10Ts is closer to truth. But the fact is Humanity can't deal with reality, so we live with Fantasia. Mine is that my wife could never love another... Yours is that there's a big old guy in the clouds... Who's crazy, who's sane ? depends....The Golden Rule applies... Cheers. Oh adam…please..

Global warming is a fact period. It’s partly normal and partly our doing.
What the end effect will be and what we should do about it is another.
I’ve never been an alarmist, but I come to my own conclusions, and spent way too much time researching my own facts.

The real problem is everything gets politicized and confounded, to be polite. That our leaders are Lying asshats and we’re blind 1D10Ts is closer to truth.

But the fact is Humanity can’t deal with reality, so we live with Fantasia.
Mine is that my wife could never love another…

Yours is that there’s a big old guy in the clouds…

Who’s crazy, who’s sane ? depends….The Golden Rule applies…

Cheers.

]]> By: The failed Twitter experiment « The Outer Hoard http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-8925 The failed Twitter experiment « The Outer Hoard Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:04:22 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-8925 [...] learned that the Picasso Fish has something interesting to say about [...] […] learned that the Picasso Fish has something interesting to say about […]

]]> By: Caught in the Middle: Transitional Flatfishes | Publisher & Social http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-8916 Caught in the Middle: Transitional Flatfishes | Publisher & Social Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:26:40 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-8916 [...] be examined with modern techniques and a fresh perspective. You can read more about this paper at The Loom, Not Exactly Rocket Science, and GrrlScientist’s [...] […] be examined with modern techniques and a fresh perspective. You can read more about this paper at The Loom, Not Exactly Rocket Science, and GrrlScientist’s […]

]]> By: Bruce http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-7098 Bruce Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:27:28 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-7098 What I haven't yet seen in any of the articles or comments about the gradual migration of the eye from the underside of the fish to the upward side is the avodance of abraion If these fish were adopting the behavior of lying on the bottom, with its obvious potential survival benefits they would be exposing the "down" eye to damage from sand, shells etc. Then even slight mutations that moved that eye away from the bottom most part of the fish would help lessen damage or at least give more incentive for the eye to move. What I haven’t yet seen in any of the articles or comments about the gradual migration of the eye from the underside of the fish to the upward side is the avodance of abraion If these fish were adopting the behavior of lying on the bottom, with its obvious potential survival benefits they would be exposing the “down” eye to damage from sand, shells etc. Then even slight mutations that moved that eye away from the bottom most part of the fish would help lessen damage or at least give more incentive for the eye to move.

]]> By: amphiox http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-7059 amphiox Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:08:12 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-7059 Adam, if Al Gore's global warming is guilty of deception, it is only by exaggeration. And greed? You gotta be kidding me. Voluntary anti-consumerism, self-restraint, and growth restriction? For an entire civilization? An entire planet? The message is as pure anti-greed as anti-greed can get. Adam, if Al Gore’s global warming is guilty of deception, it is only by exaggeration.

And greed? You gotta be kidding me. Voluntary anti-consumerism, self-restraint, and growth restriction? For an entire civilization? An entire planet? The message is as pure anti-greed as anti-greed can get.

]]> By: Nick Gardner http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-7009 Nick Gardner Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:34:53 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-7009 I Xomblurb'd your article, but Xomba doesn't support trackbacks. I enjoyed thoroughly enjoyed your article, it made me think more about fish and their evolution than I had before. I Xomblurb’d your article, but Xomba doesn’t support trackbacks. I enjoyed thoroughly enjoyed your article, it made me think more about fish and their evolution than I had before.

]]> By: What on Earth happened to Pat Buchanan? « Buttle’s World http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-6909 What on Earth happened to Pat Buchanan? « Buttle’s World Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:49:07 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-6909 [...] claim there are two new gaps! I’d love to know what they think about the fossil record of the Picasso Fish. No doubt they see three gaps instead of a continuum. The fact is that absolutely nothing in [...] […] claim there are two new gaps! I’d love to know what they think about the fossil record of the Picasso Fish. No doubt they see three gaps instead of a continuum. The fact is that absolutely nothing in […]

]]> By: Neil http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-6880 Neil Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:40:47 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-6880 "They’re also a reminder that the argument, “It can’t possibly have evolved because I can’t imagine it evolved” is not an argument at all." - says it all really Great post and great summary of the paper and background :) “They’re also a reminder that the argument, “It can’t possibly have evolved because I can’t imagine it evolved” is not an argument at all.” - says it all really

Great post and great summary of the paper and background :)

]]> By: Adam http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-6855 Adam Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:50:59 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-6855 "But deception, greed and Religion have always been good friends." -Ottawa U I guess you've never heard of Al Gore's global warming... lol “But deception, greed and Religion have always been good friends.”

-Ottawa U

I guess you’ve never heard of Al Gore’s global warming… lol

]]> By: shantarohse.com » Dawn of the Picasso Fish http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-6830 shantarohse.com » Dawn of the Picasso Fish Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:26:49 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/#comment-6830 [...] Carl Zimmer gives a typically fascinating account of the evolution of our understanding of how the f..., an evolutionary conundrum that engaged both Charles Darwin and his critics. Darwin argued that the trait evolved over many generations of flatfish; however there was no evidence for this morphological development in the fossil record.The most recent contribution to the story is evolutionary biologist Matt Friedman’s discovery of three examples of transitional forms of flatfish among the dusty fossil collections of Europe. What is most interesting to me is that these fossils were long ago collected and curated, but so clearly satisfy the requirement of a Darwinian intermediate. Matt Friedman explains: I suppose there is a general perception that museum collections are dusty, static archives, and that everything in them has been carefully studied and precisely identified. But the truth is that they are much more than just long-term storage, because as our interpretive framework matures, we can begin to make sense of specimens that evaded or baffled earlier generations of researchers, or draw new conclusions about materials we mistakenly thought we had figured out ages ago. This entry was written by Shanta Rohse, posted on July 15th, 2008 at 1:01 am, filed under Linking Thinking and tagged reconceptualizing understandings. Bookmark the permalink. Follow any comments here with the RSS feed for this post. Post a comment or leave a trackback: Trackback URL. « The Sky Is Falling The Next Renaissance » [...] […] Carl Zimmer gives a typically fascinating account of the evolution of our understanding of how the f…, an evolutionary conundrum that engaged both Charles Darwin and his critics. Darwin argued that the trait evolved over many generations of flatfish; however there was no evidence for this morphological development in the fossil record.The most recent contribution to the story is evolutionary biologist Matt Friedman’s discovery of three examples of transitional forms of flatfish among the dusty fossil collections of Europe. What is most interesting to me is that these fossils were long ago collected and curated, but so clearly satisfy the requirement of a Darwinian intermediate. Matt Friedman explains: I suppose there is a general perception that museum collections are dusty, static archives, and that everything in them has been carefully studied and precisely identified. But the truth is that they are much more than just long-term storage, because as our interpretive framework matures, we can begin to make sense of specimens that evaded or baffled earlier generations of researchers, or draw new conclusions about materials we mistakenly thought we had figured out ages ago. This entry was written by Shanta Rohse, posted on July 15th, 2008 at 1:01 am, filed under Linking Thinking and tagged reconceptualizing understandings. Bookmark the permalink. Follow any comments here with the RSS feed for this post. Post a comment or leave a trackback: Trackback URL. « The Sky Is Falling The Next Renaissance » […]

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