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	<title>Comments on: Dawn of the Picasso Fish</title>
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	<description>A blog about life, past and future. Written by DISCOVER contributing editor and columnist Carl Zimmer.</description>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-2/#comment-57278</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 18:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think the sudden appearance and staying power of a &#039;monster form&#039; would be quite likely for fish, since they can avoid sexual selection, due to them simply just releasing their gametes into solution. An asymmetrical land based creature enjoying that success would be quite a bit more unlikely, unless they use rape techniques to mate.
           I don&#039;t think that creationism and evolution have to be mutually exclusive. If you look at it in analogous instead of literal terms , the Bible got it mostly right, sequentially, and it&#039;s far closer to the scientific truth than any other religious imagining of creation. That to me is almost miraculous, that people 3500 years could even begin to approach thinking like that.
           Then there&#039;s the odds game. So many delicate things necessary for life in just the right balance, with just the right timing. From having one moon to Van Allen&#039;s belt, to the ozone to sea level to the ratio of sea to land, to the molten iron core and much more. Those odds  are probably on par or greater than the amount of stars that exist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think the sudden appearance and staying power of a &#8216;monster form&#8217; would be quite likely for fish, since they can avoid sexual selection, due to them simply just releasing their gametes into solution. An asymmetrical land based creature enjoying that success would be quite a bit more unlikely, unless they use rape techniques to mate.<br />
           I don&#8217;t think that creationism and evolution have to be mutually exclusive. If you look at it in analogous instead of literal terms , the Bible got it mostly right, sequentially, and it&#8217;s far closer to the scientific truth than any other religious imagining of creation. That to me is almost miraculous, that people 3500 years could even begin to approach thinking like that.<br />
           Then there&#8217;s the odds game. So many delicate things necessary for life in just the right balance, with just the right timing. From having one moon to Van Allen&#8217;s belt, to the ozone to sea level to the ratio of sea to land, to the molten iron core and much more. Those odds  are probably on par or greater than the amount of stars that exist</p>
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		<title>By: Flatfish Transition &#171; rackyourbrain.net</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-2/#comment-32651</link>
		<dc:creator>Flatfish Transition &#171; rackyourbrain.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] drive home a few more nails in the proverbial coffin of the ID position, we have found not one but three fossils reaffirming the position that these animals evolved from bilaterally symmetrical [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Giants Lurking In The Drawer &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-2/#comment-28979</link>
		<dc:creator>Giants Lurking In The Drawer &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] University of Oxford. Friedman knows a thing or two about the treasures lurking in museum drawers. As I wrote in 2008, he showed that previously neglected fossils were actually transitional forms that track the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Koninja</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-2/#comment-26470</link>
		<dc:creator>Koninja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, where are the references for this article and who is the author? I&#039;ve found another article from which this one quotes whole paragraphs word for word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, where are the references for this article and who is the author? I&#8217;ve found another article from which this one quotes whole paragraphs word for word.</p>
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		<title>By: Koninja</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-2/#comment-26466</link>
		<dc:creator>Koninja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is almost relevant to my point.

 Debating, discussing, and questioning is good yes. But there is no reason to attack your doctor, using your metaphor. Assuming your doctor metaphor is directly in response to my comment, you are assuming that Charlie, or anyone with an opinion different than yours for that matter, is insane and has no clue what they are talking about. 
You proved my point by neglecting most of what I said, and clearly stating your own bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is almost relevant to my point.</p>
<p> Debating, discussing, and questioning is good yes. But there is no reason to attack your doctor, using your metaphor. Assuming your doctor metaphor is directly in response to my comment, you are assuming that Charlie, or anyone with an opinion different than yours for that matter, is insane and has no clue what they are talking about.<br />
You proved my point by neglecting most of what I said, and clearly stating your own bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Noodly James</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-2/#comment-26404</link>
		<dc:creator>Noodly James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Natural selection is a trivial
effect that has nowhere near the power vested in it by evolutionists.
True, it can change the frequency of alleles in populations under
selection pressure, but no evolutionist has ever demonstrated that these
changes in gene frequency can ever lead to new processes, structures or
organisms.&quot;

Incorrect. New processes have been observed being initiated (lactose tolerance, strictly unicellular algae become strictly 8 celled balls of algae, new muscles in lizards, new lengths of gut in lizards, new bones structures),  new organisms, by this you mean speciation, yes it has been observed, so has the formation of new genera. Natural selection may be a trivial effect for you. It is not such a trivial effect when a population is placed under selective pressure. 

As for the last poster above me, you have obviously never attempted to have anything published or defend your thesis.  Science is very much about having everything 100% in accordance the scientific method. This applies to the terminology as well. I will assume that if your doctor came in and proclaimed that your washer bearings were not intact and that he needed to remove your eyes to fix them, you would likely not agree that this was the best course of action?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Natural selection is a trivial<br />
effect that has nowhere near the power vested in it by evolutionists.<br />
True, it can change the frequency of alleles in populations under<br />
selection pressure, but no evolutionist has ever demonstrated that these<br />
changes in gene frequency can ever lead to new processes, structures or<br />
organisms.&#8221;</p>
<p>Incorrect. New processes have been observed being initiated (lactose tolerance, strictly unicellular algae become strictly 8 celled balls of algae, new muscles in lizards, new lengths of gut in lizards, new bones structures),  new organisms, by this you mean speciation, yes it has been observed, so has the formation of new genera. Natural selection may be a trivial effect for you. It is not such a trivial effect when a population is placed under selective pressure. </p>
<p>As for the last poster above me, you have obviously never attempted to have anything published or defend your thesis.  Science is very much about having everything 100% in accordance the scientific method. This applies to the terminology as well. I will assume that if your doctor came in and proclaimed that your washer bearings were not intact and that he needed to remove your eyes to fix them, you would likely not agree that this was the best course of action?</p>
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		<title>By: Koninja</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-26209</link>
		<dc:creator>Koninja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my goodness! you guys at the top bicker like children!

 The second that Charlie commented on how the article was not absolutely perfect, you jumped down his throat, dubbing him a creationist, and attack his every word! Whichever side is actually right, you guys will not soon find out because you won&#039;t even listen to the other without bias.

 Judge each comment with a bias against it, or don&#039;t judge at all. sheesh. this is science, not politics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my goodness! you guys at the top bicker like children!</p>
<p> The second that Charlie commented on how the article was not absolutely perfect, you jumped down his throat, dubbing him a creationist, and attack his every word! Whichever side is actually right, you guys will not soon find out because you won&#8217;t even listen to the other without bias.</p>
<p> Judge each comment with a bias against it, or don&#8217;t judge at all. sheesh. this is science, not politics!</p>
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		<title>By: Evrimin kay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-20495</link>
		<dc:creator>Evrimin kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Intermediate Forms Between Classes - SkepticWiki Dawn of the Picasso Fish &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine ....Yine de ben tatmin olmad</description>
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		<title>By: Interesting Stuff: Early June 2009 &#171; The Outer Hoard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-19172</link>
		<dc:creator>Interesting Stuff: Early June 2009 &#171; The Outer Hoard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 07:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have read were it not nominated for the prize. Of the articles that I had already read, perhaps this is the best (and indeed I linked to it in an earlier installment of this series) but it would have [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave S</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-16564</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, I am forced to admit that this time Charlie has made some valid points.  In order for this to be a really good example of random mutation and natural selection one must determine the mutations involved and demonstrate their morphological effects and their selective advantage.  Until this is done there are still critical pieces of the puzzle missing.

Now let&#039;s see, I know, how about screening for mutations in regulatory regions of hox genes in flatfish and other species.  After finding such mutations, one could then theoretically perform transgenic experiments to demonstrate direct morphological effects and selection coefficients.  This approach could even potentially help determine the order and timing of the important mutation events.

Now, until such experiments are performed what should we do?  Should we conclude that very well known processes observed countless times in many other species could also be operatinig in flatfish evolution?  Or, should we do like like Charlie and throw our hands up in the air and quit, just because we don&#039;t have every little detail of this particular example worked out yet.?  I know which alternative I will choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I am forced to admit that this time Charlie has made some valid points.  In order for this to be a really good example of random mutation and natural selection one must determine the mutations involved and demonstrate their morphological effects and their selective advantage.  Until this is done there are still critical pieces of the puzzle missing.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s see, I know, how about screening for mutations in regulatory regions of hox genes in flatfish and other species.  After finding such mutations, one could then theoretically perform transgenic experiments to demonstrate direct morphological effects and selection coefficients.  This approach could even potentially help determine the order and timing of the important mutation events.</p>
<p>Now, until such experiments are performed what should we do?  Should we conclude that very well known processes observed countless times in many other species could also be operatinig in flatfish evolution?  Or, should we do like like Charlie and throw our hands up in the air and quit, just because we don&#8217;t have every little detail of this particular example worked out yet.?  I know which alternative I will choose.</p>
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		<title>By: Floundermania! &#124; Deep Sea News</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-15790</link>
		<dc:creator>Floundermania! &#124; Deep Sea News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] flounders have been flopping all over the place! The maestro of science story-telling, Carl Zimmer, has produced in my opinion one of his finest posts ever at his new blog at Discover Magazine. Head over there now, don&#8217;t delay!, to understand the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] flounders have been flopping all over the place! The maestro of science story-telling, Carl Zimmer, has produced in my opinion one of his finest posts ever at his new blog at Discover Magazine. Head over there now, don&#8217;t delay!, to understand the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Biochemical Soul &#187; Adaptation of the Week - Flatfish Eyes &#38; Recapitulation Theory</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-15070</link>
		<dc:creator>Biochemical Soul &#187; Adaptation of the Week - Flatfish Eyes &#38; Recapitulation Theory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In a well-known study that was published last summer in Nature and received much media attention, Matt Friedman showed findings from a series of fossils delineating a clear gradual evolution from symmetrical to asymmetrical flaltfishes. (For excellent in-depth coverage looking at this study and the debate over flatfish evolution, see one of my favorite science bloggers, Ed Yong at Not Exactly Rocket Science, and also see the popular science writer Carl Zimmer at The Loom). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In a well-known study that was published last summer in Nature and received much media attention, Matt Friedman showed findings from a series of fossils delineating a clear gradual evolution from symmetrical to asymmetrical flaltfishes. (For excellent in-depth coverage looking at this study and the debate over flatfish evolution, see one of my favorite science bloggers, Ed Yong at Not Exactly Rocket Science, and also see the popular science writer Carl Zimmer at The Loom). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Yay For Turtle Ancestors! &#124; www.jeffthefish.com</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-12343</link>
		<dc:creator>Yay For Turtle Ancestors! &#124; www.jeffthefish.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] which happens surprisingly often.  I&#8217;ve done it once before, that I can remember, and I missed an awesome one that was written about over the summer.  I created a special category called Transitional Forms so [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Weird Eyes &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-10561</link>
		<dc:creator>Weird Eyes &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] examples of eyes evolving in weird ways. One example may be familiar to readers of this blog&#8211;the flatfish. The other example, illustrated here, is the stalk-eyed fly. The point I try to make in the piece [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] examples of eyes evolving in weird ways. One example may be familiar to readers of this blog&#8211;the flatfish. The other example, illustrated here, is the stalk-eyed fly. The point I try to make in the piece [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ottawa U</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-8947</link>
		<dc:creator>Ottawa U</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh adam...please..

Global warming is a fact period. It&#039;s partly normal and partly our doing.
What the end effect will be and what we should do about it is another.
I&#039;ve never been an alarmist, but I come to my own conclusions, and spent way too much time researching my own facts.

The real problem is everything gets politicized and confounded, to be polite. That our leaders are Lying asshats and we&#039;re blind 1D10Ts is closer to truth. 

But the fact is Humanity can&#039;t deal with reality, so we live with Fantasia.
Mine is that my wife could never love another...

Yours is that there&#039;s a big old guy in the clouds...

Who&#039;s crazy, who&#039;s sane ? depends....The Golden Rule applies...

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh adam&#8230;please..</p>
<p>Global warming is a fact period. It&#8217;s partly normal and partly our doing.<br />
What the end effect will be and what we should do about it is another.<br />
I&#8217;ve never been an alarmist, but I come to my own conclusions, and spent way too much time researching my own facts.</p>
<p>The real problem is everything gets politicized and confounded, to be polite. That our leaders are Lying asshats and we&#8217;re blind 1D10Ts is closer to truth. </p>
<p>But the fact is Humanity can&#8217;t deal with reality, so we live with Fantasia.<br />
Mine is that my wife could never love another&#8230;</p>
<p>Yours is that there&#8217;s a big old guy in the clouds&#8230;</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s crazy, who&#8217;s sane ? depends&#8230;.The Golden Rule applies&#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: The failed Twitter experiment &#171; The Outer Hoard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-8925</link>
		<dc:creator>The failed Twitter experiment &#171; The Outer Hoard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] learned that the Picasso Fish has something interesting to say about [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Caught in the Middle: Transitional Flatfishes &#124; Publisher &#38; Social</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-8916</link>
		<dc:creator>Caught in the Middle: Transitional Flatfishes &#124; Publisher &#38; Social</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be examined with modern techniques and a fresh perspective. You can read more about this paper at The Loom, Not Exactly Rocket Science, and GrrlScientist&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-7098</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I haven&#039;t yet seen in any of the articles or comments about the gradual migration of the eye from the underside of the fish to the upward side is the avodance of abraion  If these fish were adopting the behavior of lying on the bottom, with its obvious potential survival benefits they would be exposing the &quot;down&quot; eye to damage from sand, shells etc. Then even slight mutations that moved that eye away from the bottom most part of the fish would help lessen damage or at least give more incentive for the eye to move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I haven&#8217;t yet seen in any of the articles or comments about the gradual migration of the eye from the underside of the fish to the upward side is the avodance of abraion  If these fish were adopting the behavior of lying on the bottom, with its obvious potential survival benefits they would be exposing the &#8220;down&#8221; eye to damage from sand, shells etc. Then even slight mutations that moved that eye away from the bottom most part of the fish would help lessen damage or at least give more incentive for the eye to move.</p>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-7059</link>
		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, if Al Gore&#039;s global warming is guilty of deception, it is only by exaggeration.

And greed? You gotta be kidding me. Voluntary anti-consumerism, self-restraint, and growth restriction? For an entire civilization? An entire planet? The message is as pure anti-greed as anti-greed can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, if Al Gore&#8217;s global warming is guilty of deception, it is only by exaggeration.</p>
<p>And greed? You gotta be kidding me. Voluntary anti-consumerism, self-restraint, and growth restriction? For an entire civilization? An entire planet? The message is as pure anti-greed as anti-greed can get.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Gardner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-7009</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Xomblurb&#039;d your article, but Xomba doesn&#039;t support trackbacks. I enjoyed thoroughly enjoyed your article, it made me think more about fish and their evolution than I had before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Xomblurb&#8217;d your article, but Xomba doesn&#8217;t support trackbacks. I enjoyed thoroughly enjoyed your article, it made me think more about fish and their evolution than I had before.</p>
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		<title>By: What on Earth happened to Pat Buchanan? &#171; Buttle&#8217;s World</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-6909</link>
		<dc:creator>What on Earth happened to Pat Buchanan? &#171; Buttle&#8217;s World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] claim there are two new gaps! I&#8217;d love to know what they think about the fossil record of the Picasso Fish. No doubt they see three gaps instead of a continuum. The fact is that absolutely nothing in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] claim there are two new gaps! I&#8217;d love to know what they think about the fossil record of the Picasso Fish. No doubt they see three gaps instead of a continuum. The fact is that absolutely nothing in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-6880</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They’re also a reminder that the argument, “It can’t possibly have evolved because I can’t imagine it evolved” is not an argument at all.&quot; - says it all really

Great post and great summary of the paper and background :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They’re also a reminder that the argument, “It can’t possibly have evolved because I can’t imagine it evolved” is not an argument at all.&#8221; &#8211; says it all really</p>
<p>Great post and great summary of the paper and background <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-6855</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But deception, greed and Religion have always been good friends.&quot;

-Ottawa U

I guess you&#039;ve never heard of Al Gore&#039;s global warming... lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But deception, greed and Religion have always been good friends.&#8221;</p>
<p>-Ottawa U</p>
<p>I guess you&#8217;ve never heard of Al Gore&#8217;s global warming&#8230; lol</p>
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		<title>By: shantarohse.com &#187; Dawn of the Picasso Fish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-6830</link>
		<dc:creator>shantarohse.com &#187; Dawn of the Picasso Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Carl Zimmer gives a typically fascinating account of the evolution of our understanding of how the f..., an evolutionary conundrum that engaged both Charles Darwin and his critics. Darwin argued that the trait evolved over many generations of flatfish; however there was no evidence for this morphological development in the fossil record.The most recent contribution to the story is evolutionary biologist Matt Friedman&#8217;s discovery of three examples of transitional forms of flatfish among the dusty fossil collections of Europe. What is most interesting to me is that these fossils were long ago collected and curated, but so clearly satisfy the requirement of a Darwinian intermediate. Matt Friedman explains: I suppose there is a general perception that museum collections are dusty, static archives, and that everything in them has been carefully studied and precisely identified. But the truth is that they are much more than just long-term storage, because as our interpretive framework matures, we can begin to make sense of specimens that evaded or baffled earlier generations of researchers, or draw new conclusions about materials we mistakenly thought we had figured out ages ago.   This entry was written by Shanta Rohse, posted on July 15th, 2008 at 1:01 am, filed under Linking Thinking and tagged reconceptualizing understandings. Bookmark the permalink. Follow any comments here with the RSS feed for this post. Post a comment or leave a trackback: Trackback URL.    &#171; The Sky Is Falling The Next Renaissance &#187; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Carl Zimmer gives a typically fascinating account of the evolution of our understanding of how the f&#8230;, an evolutionary conundrum that engaged both Charles Darwin and his critics. Darwin argued that the trait evolved over many generations of flatfish; however there was no evidence for this morphological development in the fossil record.The most recent contribution to the story is evolutionary biologist Matt Friedman&#8217;s discovery of three examples of transitional forms of flatfish among the dusty fossil collections of Europe. What is most interesting to me is that these fossils were long ago collected and curated, but so clearly satisfy the requirement of a Darwinian intermediate. Matt Friedman explains: I suppose there is a general perception that museum collections are dusty, static archives, and that everything in them has been carefully studied and precisely identified. But the truth is that they are much more than just long-term storage, because as our interpretive framework matures, we can begin to make sense of specimens that evaded or baffled earlier generations of researchers, or draw new conclusions about materials we mistakenly thought we had figured out ages ago.   This entry was written by Shanta Rohse, posted on July 15th, 2008 at 1:01 am, filed under Linking Thinking and tagged reconceptualizing understandings. Bookmark the permalink. Follow any comments here with the RSS feed for this post. Post a comment or leave a trackback: Trackback URL.    &laquo; The Sky Is Falling The Next Renaissance &raquo; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ottawa U</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/07/09/dawn-of-the-picasso-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-6804</link>
		<dc:creator>Ottawa U</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s threads like this that make me wonder why we bother.
Mr. Wagner is obvious in his intent, even if he may think he his clever.
We are fighting with words that many seem to lack the meaning of.
Science begins because we bored of cursing the dark, cannot endure the cold, and are curious about our surroundings. 
Religion starts because we are fearful.
Let&#039;s enlighten the world with the fish and DNA and bacteria (oh my !)
Science will never compete with Religion and ID.
These two things do not coexist on the same intellectual plane.
But deception, greed and Religion have always been good friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s threads like this that make me wonder why we bother.<br />
Mr. Wagner is obvious in his intent, even if he may think he his clever.<br />
We are fighting with words that many seem to lack the meaning of.<br />
Science begins because we bored of cursing the dark, cannot endure the cold, and are curious about our surroundings.<br />
Religion starts because we are fearful.<br />
Let&#8217;s enlighten the world with the fish and DNA and bacteria (oh my !)<br />
Science will never compete with Religion and ID.<br />
These two things do not coexist on the same intellectual plane.<br />
But deception, greed and Religion have always been good friends.</p>
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