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	<title>Comments on: No Sock-Puppets, Creationist or Otherwise</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Burnett</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/08/04/no-sock-puppets-creationist-or-otherwise-allowed/comment-page-1/#comment-8996</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - this is the real Paul Burnett - not a sockpuppet for Clarence David Parsons.

Yeah, &quot;Steve Larimore&quot; sounds like Clarence.  I even once got a nastygram from someone purporting to be Clarence&#039;s wife...and it may have been, but who knows?

I&#039;m actually not following Clarence around, as &quot;Steve&quot; suspects.  I&#039;m following intelligent design creationists (or &quot;cdesign proponentsists&quot; as they are coming to be called more and more - Google the term if you&#039;re not familiar with it) around, and Clarence shows up at the same watering holes, flogging his pseudoscience.

Here&#039;s why I think Clarence is sad:  Here&#039;s part of his publisher&#039;s website (http://www.tatepublishing.com ): &quot;Have you written a book? Are you looking for a publisher? Have you searched out and submitted your manuscript to dozens of publishing companies only to be turned away, time and time again? If you&#039;ve answered yes to any of these questions, Tate Publishing could be your answer.&quot;

I think Clarence, a successful businessman with more money than good sense, has been taken in by a vanity publisher.  I can&#039;t prove it, but check out Tate and see what you think.

Tucker: I bet Clarence knows more about his subject than Tate&#039;s proof readers...but not much.  (chortle)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; this is the real Paul Burnett &#8211; not a sockpuppet for Clarence David Parsons.</p>
<p>Yeah, &#8220;Steve Larimore&#8221; sounds like Clarence.  I even once got a nastygram from someone purporting to be Clarence&#8217;s wife&#8230;and it may have been, but who knows?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually not following Clarence around, as &#8220;Steve&#8221; suspects.  I&#8217;m following intelligent design creationists (or &#8220;cdesign proponentsists&#8221; as they are coming to be called more and more &#8211; Google the term if you&#8217;re not familiar with it) around, and Clarence shows up at the same watering holes, flogging his pseudoscience.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s why I think Clarence is sad:  Here&#8217;s part of his publisher&#8217;s website (<a href="http://www.tatepublishing.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tatepublishing.com</a> ): &#8220;Have you written a book? Are you looking for a publisher? Have you searched out and submitted your manuscript to dozens of publishing companies only to be turned away, time and time again? If you&#8217;ve answered yes to any of these questions, Tate Publishing could be your answer.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think Clarence, a successful businessman with more money than good sense, has been taken in by a vanity publisher.  I can&#8217;t prove it, but check out Tate and see what you think.</p>
<p>Tucker: I bet Clarence knows more about his subject than Tate&#8217;s proof readers&#8230;but not much.  (chortle)</p>
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		<title>By: Sheri Williamson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/08/04/no-sock-puppets-creationist-or-otherwise-allowed/comment-page-1/#comment-8796</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheri Williamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the similar bombastic stylings of the two comments, I&#039;d have been more surprised if the IP addresses hadn&#039;t been the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the similar bombastic stylings of the two comments, I&#8217;d have been more surprised if the IP addresses hadn&#8217;t been the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Snow</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/08/04/no-sock-puppets-creationist-or-otherwise-allowed/comment-page-1/#comment-8776</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a Creationist, but I am a Christian.  Imho, evolution is not all wrong.  It does have some provable activities: for example, natural selection at a local site.
I&#039;ll probably never take a college evolution course.  When I go back to college, it&#039;ll be one class a semester.  First, I want to take vocal music.  I don&#039;t care if I get credits, or not.  I&#039;m going to improve my voice, not for a major.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a Creationist, but I am a Christian.  Imho, evolution is not all wrong.  It does have some provable activities: for example, natural selection at a local site.<br />
I&#8217;ll probably never take a college evolution course.  When I go back to college, it&#8217;ll be one class a semester.  First, I want to take vocal music.  I don&#8217;t care if I get credits, or not.  I&#8217;m going to improve my voice, not for a major.</p>
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		<title>By: Larian LeQuella</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/08/04/no-sock-puppets-creationist-or-otherwise-allowed/comment-page-1/#comment-8768</link>
		<dc:creator>Larian LeQuella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hence why I am VERY OPEN about my comments.  Heck, you can go to my web page and find out more than some would probably be comfortable sharing.  ;)

That said...  these creationists ARE a sad lot.  To sit around and see all this evidence and try to refute it with your little delusions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hence why I am VERY OPEN about my comments.  Heck, you can go to my web page and find out more than some would probably be comfortable sharing.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That said&#8230;  these creationists ARE a sad lot.  To sit around and see all this evidence and try to refute it with your little delusions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stu</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/08/04/no-sock-puppets-creationist-or-otherwise-allowed/comment-page-1/#comment-8762</link>
		<dc:creator>stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seems to be a verycommon thing , creationists using sock puppets to prop themselves up.

What about this for a simple idea....

The last three digits of the commentors IP address shows next to their name..

for xample mine would show &quot;stu.133&quot;, then , EVEN the public will be able to see at a glance , the likely sockpuppets....

if you see creationistguy1.235 &quot; say some thing , and then &quot;random guy.235&quot; back himup , itsgoing to be fairly obvious...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems to be a verycommon thing , creationists using sock puppets to prop themselves up.</p>
<p>What about this for a simple idea&#8230;.</p>
<p>The last three digits of the commentors IP address shows next to their name..</p>
<p>for xample mine would show &#8220;stu.133&#8243;, then , EVEN the public will be able to see at a glance , the likely sockpuppets&#8230;.</p>
<p>if you see creationistguy1.235 &#8221; say some thing , and then &#8220;random guy.235&#8243; back himup , itsgoing to be fairly obvious&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Schmitt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/08/04/no-sock-puppets-creationist-or-otherwise-allowed/comment-page-1/#comment-8756</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Schmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently this Parsons fellow has a legion of followers...in his own head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently this Parsons fellow has a legion of followers&#8230;in his own head.</p>
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		<title>By: jldugger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/08/04/no-sock-puppets-creationist-or-otherwise-allowed/comment-page-1/#comment-8755</link>
		<dc:creator>jldugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a similar problem with people in Linux; it&#039;s common enough that there&#039;s a pair of guys going around talking about &quot;poisonous people&quot;.   

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645

In a sense, Open Source is applying academic principles to software development, so it stands to reason that some findings also apply to science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a similar problem with people in Linux; it&#8217;s common enough that there&#8217;s a pair of guys going around talking about &#8220;poisonous people&#8221;.   </p>
<p>video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645</p>
<p>In a sense, Open Source is applying academic principles to software development, so it stands to reason that some findings also apply to science.</p>
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		<title>By: Tucker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2008/08/04/no-sock-puppets-creationist-or-otherwise-allowed/comment-page-1/#comment-8754</link>
		<dc:creator>Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 04:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an interesting development. I can&#039;t imagine how the guy responded to his proof readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting development. I can&#8217;t imagine how the guy responded to his proof readers.</p>
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