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	<title>Comments on: Ken Miller&#8217;s Final Guest Post: Looking Forward</title>
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	<description>A blog about life, past and future. Written by DISCOVER contributing editor and columnist Carl Zimmer.</description>
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		<title>By: Rent A Car</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-43126</link>
		<dc:creator>Rent A Car</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing canım arkadaşım..</description>
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		<title>By: kyazu</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-36462</link>
		<dc:creator>kyazu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, the graphics and video evolved based on their ability to appeal to the indigenous human population, mutating in an essentially random(for the computer) way guided through natural selection-where man is defined as part of nature.

You can, however, say that magic man done it and poofed the computer into existence as it was at that point in time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, the graphics and video evolved based on their ability to appeal to the indigenous human population, mutating in an essentially random(for the computer) way guided through natural selection-where man is defined as part of nature.</p>
<p>You can, however, say that magic man done it and poofed the computer into existence as it was at that point in time</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Wilson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-34779</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I predict sometime in the distant future someone will come across a functioning personal computer from our era and determine that the graphics and video they see evolved on their own through random mutation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predict sometime in the distant future someone will come across a functioning personal computer from our era and determine that the graphics and video they see evolved on their own through random mutation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-15628</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing Dr Miller!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Hugh Troy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-14774</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is naive to assume that everything one sees must have an adaptive value. Yet that is the way the Darwinian mind invariably operates. They can’t help it because they are congenitally unable to imagine a purpose in the origin and evolution of life.&quot;


It is naive to assume that some imaginary sky fairy, or fairies, created the universe as a one off effort, before retiring and that evolution ended after humanity appeared. But creationist cranks can&#039;t help it because they don&#039;t live in the real world where research and evidence are needed to back up their outlandish claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is naive to assume that everything one sees must have an adaptive value. Yet that is the way the Darwinian mind invariably operates. They can’t help it because they are congenitally unable to imagine a purpose in the origin and evolution of life.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is naive to assume that some imaginary sky fairy, or fairies, created the universe as a one off effort, before retiring and that evolution ended after humanity appeared. But creationist cranks can&#8217;t help it because they don&#8217;t live in the real world where research and evidence are needed to back up their outlandish claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-14108</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the laughs, boys!  Whenever I become over-awed by the beauty and complexity of the natural world, it&#039;s great to relax with a few giggles over the mind-boggling stupidity of creationists.  Frankly, this round is a little short on the spittle-flecked delirium that has kept me smirking in the past, but there&#039;s some good material in there - it just needs polishing up!

Ok, I&#039;m good for a couple of months now.  [Goes back to work.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the laughs, boys!  Whenever I become over-awed by the beauty and complexity of the natural world, it&#8217;s great to relax with a few giggles over the mind-boggling stupidity of creationists.  Frankly, this round is a little short on the spittle-flecked delirium that has kept me smirking in the past, but there&#8217;s some good material in there &#8211; it just needs polishing up!</p>
<p>Ok, I&#8217;m good for a couple of months now.  [Goes back to work.]</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-14085</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 06:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick:
&quot;I have a serious question. Can someone please describe how you can believe in evolution and still believe in God? Are you reading the bible in a literal or metaphorical sense?&quot;

I suggest Dr. Miller&#039;s classic on that very subject:  &quot;Finding Darwin&#039;s God&quot;.

ISBN-13: 978-0060930493

http://www.amazon.com/Finding-Darwins-God-Scientists-Evolution/dp/0060930497</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick:<br />
&#8220;I have a serious question. Can someone please describe how you can believe in evolution and still believe in God? Are you reading the bible in a literal or metaphorical sense?&#8221;</p>
<p>I suggest Dr. Miller&#8217;s classic on that very subject:  &#8220;Finding Darwin&#8217;s God&#8221;.</p>
<p>ISBN-13: 978-0060930493</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Finding-Darwins-God-Scientists-Evolution/dp/0060930497" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Finding-Darwins-God-Scientists-Evolution/dp/0060930497</a></p>
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		<title>By: Antaeus Feldspar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-14063</link>
		<dc:creator>Antaeus Feldspar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How embarrassing.  I was almost about to reply to &quot;MartinV&quot; and then read further and realized that he&#039;s just a sockpuppet of Davison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How embarrassing.  I was almost about to reply to &#8220;MartinV&#8221; and then read further and realized that he&#8217;s just a sockpuppet of Davison.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Robinson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-14023</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Darwin is now being attacked because &quot;he couldn&#039;t read German&quot; (Martin V and John Davidson).  So what?  And anyway, he could.  He took a German translation of the Bible with him on the Beagle to keep up his proficiency in German.  If you are going to argue irrelevant facts, then you should at least make certain that they are true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Darwin is now being attacked because &#8220;he couldn&#8217;t read German&#8221; (Martin V and John Davidson).  So what?  And anyway, he could.  He took a German translation of the Bible with him on the Beagle to keep up his proficiency in German.  If you are going to argue irrelevant facts, then you should at least make certain that they are true.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-14019</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a serious question. Can someone please describe how you can believe in evolution and still believe in God? Are you reading the bible in a literal or metaphorical sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a serious question. Can someone please describe how you can believe in evolution and still believe in God? Are you reading the bible in a literal or metaphorical sense?</p>
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		<title>By: roy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-13868</link>
		<dc:creator>roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also am personally disturbed how this ID brouhaha is diminishing America&#039; s standing in the world. I am worried that other countries who have reality-based polities will see America as less strong or less powerful, because the ID garbage is allowed to pollute our science curricula. 

This stuff should be moved to current events or religion classes, in order to protect America&#039;s science reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also am personally disturbed how this ID brouhaha is diminishing America&#8217; s standing in the world. I am worried that other countries who have reality-based polities will see America as less strong or less powerful, because the ID garbage is allowed to pollute our science curricula. </p>
<p>This stuff should be moved to current events or religion classes, in order to protect America&#8217;s science reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Metscher</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-13854</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Metscher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following Mike&#039;s comment (January 4th, 2009 at 1:29 pm - &quot;Here’s another part of the strategy:...&quot;):
You have really hit on something I&#039;ve been seeing too.  Another component of the continuing strategy is a new successor to Pandas and People from the DI, a book called Explore Evolution (http://www.exploreevolution.com/). It is a scrapbook of all the old creationist heirlooms printed on glossy paper with all the creationist flag words removed. It is probably already being handed out in states like Louisiana that have passed some kind of &quot;Academic Freedom&quot; or &quot;strengths and weaknesses&quot; legislation. This one is designed to fly under the Establishment Clause radar, and fits exactly the strategy you described. (I just reviewed that book for the journal Evolution &amp; Development.)

And you&#039;re right that we need to make clear to educators and education authorities that evolution is just science - teaching what scientists know about it is in no way teaching atheist materialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following Mike&#8217;s comment (January 4th, 2009 at 1:29 pm &#8211; &#8220;Here’s another part of the strategy:&#8230;&#8221;):<br />
You have really hit on something I&#8217;ve been seeing too.  Another component of the continuing strategy is a new successor to Pandas and People from the DI, a book called Explore Evolution (<a href="http://www.exploreevolution.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.exploreevolution.com/</a>). It is a scrapbook of all the old creationist heirlooms printed on glossy paper with all the creationist flag words removed. It is probably already being handed out in states like Louisiana that have passed some kind of &#8220;Academic Freedom&#8221; or &#8220;strengths and weaknesses&#8221; legislation. This one is designed to fly under the Establishment Clause radar, and fits exactly the strategy you described. (I just reviewed that book for the journal Evolution &#038; Development.)</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right that we need to make clear to educators and education authorities that evolution is just science &#8211; teaching what scientists know about it is in no way teaching atheist materialism.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Fox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-13791</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Behe &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNK24TD6BTRVMLKJ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comments&lt;/a&gt; on Ken Miller&#039;s posts, and promises more, later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Behe <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNK24TD6BTRVMLKJ" rel="nofollow">comments</a> on Ken Miller&#8217;s posts, and promises more, later.</p>
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		<title>By: roy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-13766</link>
		<dc:creator>roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Davidson - a reply to you would only be necessary if YOU posited a valid objection to Darwinism. I see nothing in your posts that merits response. It seems your arguments are of the &quot;...you ignore the possiblity of...&quot; species, which has a fatal rhetorical weakness. A Darwinian need only defend herself if a credible, specific impeachment is leveled against her theory. 

If there is the possiblity of an alternative explanation proceeding on a contradictory path from a shared beginning point with Darwinian theory, you are obliged to pursue it to a credible alternative theory before you attack someone else, and I don&#039;t see the ID people putting in any work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davidson &#8211; a reply to you would only be necessary if YOU posited a valid objection to Darwinism. I see nothing in your posts that merits response. It seems your arguments are of the &#8220;&#8230;you ignore the possiblity of&#8230;&#8221; species, which has a fatal rhetorical weakness. A Darwinian need only defend herself if a credible, specific impeachment is leveled against her theory. </p>
<p>If there is the possiblity of an alternative explanation proceeding on a contradictory path from a shared beginning point with Darwinian theory, you are obliged to pursue it to a credible alternative theory before you attack someone else, and I don&#8217;t see the ID people putting in any work.</p>
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		<title>By: roy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-2/#comment-13765</link>
		<dc:creator>roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am new to the Loom but already feel right at home. You people are doing great work (from a layperson).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am new to the Loom but already feel right at home. You people are doing great work (from a layperson).</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-13695</link>
		<dc:creator>John A. Davison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that Carl Zimmer has properly introduced Ken Miller into the &quot;blogosphere,&quot; perhaps Ken or Carl will respond to the &quot;heresies&quot; presented by some of us skeptics of the Darwinian model. Or will they, by remaining silent, continue with the assumption that there have never been any valid objections to the Darwinian scheme?

jadavison.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that Carl Zimmer has properly introduced Ken Miller into the &#8220;blogosphere,&#8221; perhaps Ken or Carl will respond to the &#8220;heresies&#8221; presented by some of us skeptics of the Darwinian model. Or will they, by remaining silent, continue with the assumption that there have never been any valid objections to the Darwinian scheme?</p>
<p>jadavison.wordpress.com</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-13683</link>
		<dc:creator>John A. Davison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of the so called instances of &quot;mimicry&quot; probably represent nothing more than a shared common reservoir of &quot;prescribed&quot; morphogenetic &quot;blueprints: in other words not mimicry at all, just accidental coincidences which may have little or no adaptive value. Others like the similarity between many animals and the plants with which they are associated may also represent a shared developmental reservoir which may have real adaptive significance. 

It is naive to assume that everything one sees must have an adaptive value. Yet that is the way the Darwinian mind invariably operates. They can&#039;t help it because they are congenitally unable to imagine a purpose in the origin and evolution of life. Like nearly all pure white cats they are stone deaf to what Einstein called &quot;the music of the spheres,&quot; a music some of us can hear loud and clear.

Once again I quote Bertrand Russell -

&quot;It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no grounds whatsoever for believing it to be true.&quot;

jadavison.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the so called instances of &#8220;mimicry&#8221; probably represent nothing more than a shared common reservoir of &#8220;prescribed&#8221; morphogenetic &#8220;blueprints: in other words not mimicry at all, just accidental coincidences which may have little or no adaptive value. Others like the similarity between many animals and the plants with which they are associated may also represent a shared developmental reservoir which may have real adaptive significance. </p>
<p>It is naive to assume that everything one sees must have an adaptive value. Yet that is the way the Darwinian mind invariably operates. They can&#8217;t help it because they are congenitally unable to imagine a purpose in the origin and evolution of life. Like nearly all pure white cats they are stone deaf to what Einstein called &#8220;the music of the spheres,&#8221; a music some of us can hear loud and clear.</p>
<p>Once again I quote Bertrand Russell -</p>
<p>&#8220;It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no grounds whatsoever for believing it to be true.&#8221;</p>
<p>jadavison.wordpress.com</p>
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		<title>By: MartinV</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-13681</link>
		<dc:creator>MartinV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here you are. Erasmus FCD, the link:
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=4967da85847ce942;act=ST;f=14;t=5203;st=90

Erasmus thinks that ants using their antenae could be mislead like him using his human eyes. But no wonder. Selectiosts think that ants percieve the reality the same way as an armchair neodarwinist looking at collection of dried insects drinking whiskey. Franz Heikertinger had a great fun discussing selections concept of &quot;mimicry&quot; in his voluminous work refuting &quot;natural selection&quot; as the source of so-called &quot;mimicry&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here you are. Erasmus FCD, the link:<br />
<a href="http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=4967da85847ce942;act=ST;f=14;t=5203;st=90" rel="nofollow">http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=4967da85847ce942;act=ST;f=14;t=5203;st=90</a></p>
<p>Erasmus thinks that ants using their antenae could be mislead like him using his human eyes. But no wonder. Selectiosts think that ants percieve the reality the same way as an armchair neodarwinist looking at collection of dried insects drinking whiskey. Franz Heikertinger had a great fun discussing selections concept of &#8220;mimicry&#8221; in his voluminous work refuting &#8220;natural selection&#8221; as the source of so-called &#8220;mimicry&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: MartinV</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/01/04/ken-millers-final-guest-post-looking-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-13680</link>
		<dc:creator>MartinV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see. Alan Fox invited some of his cronies from neodarwinian alcoholic AtBC forum. As far as I can recall &quot;Erasmus FCD&quot; is a man who - or his colleague - is unable to tell apart spiders and ants. He thinks that spiders mimic ants in order to survive their &quot;struggle for life&quot; and &quot;natural selection&quot;. You wouldn&#039;t believe what nonsense those selectionists at AtBC claims unless you read their naive forum. I have sent them pictures of ants and spiders to learn them how to tell these species apart. If you want links I can sent them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see. Alan Fox invited some of his cronies from neodarwinian alcoholic AtBC forum. As far as I can recall &#8220;Erasmus FCD&#8221; is a man who &#8211; or his colleague &#8211; is unable to tell apart spiders and ants. He thinks that spiders mimic ants in order to survive their &#8220;struggle for life&#8221; and &#8220;natural selection&#8221;. You wouldn&#8217;t believe what nonsense those selectionists at AtBC claims unless you read their naive forum. I have sent them pictures of ants and spiders to learn them how to tell these species apart. If you want links I can sent them.</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
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		<dc:creator>John A. Davison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erasmus FCD, whoever that anonymous blowhard is. 

I know you as a regular at After The Bar Closes, Panda&#039;s Thumb &quot;inner sanctum.&quot;  Martin&#039;s cardinal sin is that he happens to be one of my supporters. We have both been banished from the proceedings at Pharyngula and Panda&#039;s Thumb and God (or Gods) only knows how many other bastions of Darwinian mysticism.

Is Carl willing to let the Loom turn into a flame pit? We will soon see.

jadavison.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erasmus FCD, whoever that anonymous blowhard is. </p>
<p>I know you as a regular at After The Bar Closes, Panda&#8217;s Thumb &#8220;inner sanctum.&#8221;  Martin&#8217;s cardinal sin is that he happens to be one of my supporters. We have both been banished from the proceedings at Pharyngula and Panda&#8217;s Thumb and God (or Gods) only knows how many other bastions of Darwinian mysticism.</p>
<p>Is Carl willing to let the Loom turn into a flame pit? We will soon see.</p>
<p>jadavison.wordpress.com</p>
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		<title>By: Erasmus, FCD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erasmus, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Goody, a tard fight.  

Davison in your illicit fornication with Laplace have you ever considered that you could not argue otherwise?  It must be so, for it is so, and it could not be so in any other way, for it is perfect and must be perfect and can be nothing but.

Martin still running around saying Gould couldn&#039;t read German, I see.  I offer the suggestion that everything that VMartin says be tempered with a shot of grain alcohol followed by a jabbing a needle to the hand.  It just doesn&#039;t ever make sense otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Goody, a tard fight.  </p>
<p>Davison in your illicit fornication with Laplace have you ever considered that you could not argue otherwise?  It must be so, for it is so, and it could not be so in any other way, for it is perfect and must be perfect and can be nothing but.</p>
<p>Martin still running around saying Gould couldn&#8217;t read German, I see.  I offer the suggestion that everything that VMartin says be tempered with a shot of grain alcohol followed by a jabbing a needle to the hand.  It just doesn&#8217;t ever make sense otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
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		<dc:creator>John A. Davison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Martin. 

It is true that Darwin could not read German but that is not true of Stephen Jay Gould, P.Z. Myers, Richard Dawkins, Ernst Mayr and William Provine, devout, rabid Darwinians all. They knee-jerk reject any model that isn&#039;t firmly based on chance. Their&#039;s is a congenital, deficiency disease for which there is no present cure. Ernst Mayr even described himself as a &quot;dyed-in-the-wool&quot; Darwinian.
The Growth of Biological Thought, page 132.

It was an English biologist, William Bateson, that read and recognized the significance of Mendel&#039;s 1868 paper (in German) and founded the science of Modern Genetics: but Bateson later rejected Mendelism as having nothing to do with either speciation or evolution in general. 
Davison, J.A. 1993, The &quot;Blind Alley&quot;: Its significance for evolutionary theory. Rivista di Biologia, 86: 101-111.

I believe that we are all victims in a determined universe exactly as Einstein remained convinced to his dying day. The only place chance plays a role is on the quantum level and I do not believe that quantum physics ever had anything to do with evolution. I also do not believe that it is intrinsic in the nature of matter to self-assemble into a living, evolving entity even once. I believe, with Robert Broom, that there was a Plan. a word he had the temerity to capitalize. I further believe the Plan has been realized with the present, terminal biota.

&quot;Everything is determined... by forces over which we have no control.....Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source...They are creatures who can&#039;t hear the music of the spheres.&quot;
Albert Einstein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Martin. </p>
<p>It is true that Darwin could not read German but that is not true of Stephen Jay Gould, P.Z. Myers, Richard Dawkins, Ernst Mayr and William Provine, devout, rabid Darwinians all. They knee-jerk reject any model that isn&#8217;t firmly based on chance. Their&#8217;s is a congenital, deficiency disease for which there is no present cure. Ernst Mayr even described himself as a &#8220;dyed-in-the-wool&#8221; Darwinian.<br />
The Growth of Biological Thought, page 132.</p>
<p>It was an English biologist, William Bateson, that read and recognized the significance of Mendel&#8217;s 1868 paper (in German) and founded the science of Modern Genetics: but Bateson later rejected Mendelism as having nothing to do with either speciation or evolution in general.<br />
Davison, J.A. 1993, The &#8220;Blind Alley&#8221;: Its significance for evolutionary theory. Rivista di Biologia, 86: 101-111.</p>
<p>I believe that we are all victims in a determined universe exactly as Einstein remained convinced to his dying day. The only place chance plays a role is on the quantum level and I do not believe that quantum physics ever had anything to do with evolution. I also do not believe that it is intrinsic in the nature of matter to self-assemble into a living, evolving entity even once. I believe, with Robert Broom, that there was a Plan. a word he had the temerity to capitalize. I further believe the Plan has been realized with the present, terminal biota.</p>
<p>&#8220;Everything is determined&#8230; by forces over which we have no control&#8230;..Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source&#8230;They are creatures who can&#8217;t hear the music of the spheres.&#8221;<br />
Albert Einstein</p>
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		<title>By: MartinV</title>
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		<dc:creator>MartinV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you John. 
Alan Fox is a hard-core darwinian zealot and a staunch laudator of P.Z. Myers. Neverthenless he thinks that &quot;University Basel&quot; is a Swiss professor and &quot;On the origin of species&quot; was written by &quot;Erasmus Darwin&quot; - check professor John Davison&#039;s blog for more of Alan&#039;s ideas.

Regarding Eimer&#039;s Orthogenesis: only one work by him has been translated into English as far as I know. Jay Gould quoted and criticised only it because he was obviously wholly dependent on translations. It is a good custom and token of Anglo-American darwinists that they do not know languages. Darwin, Gould, Dawkins - none of them could read German. Consequently important works by German anti-darwinists were never discussed and darwinists pretend they do not exist. Eimer, Driesch, Portman, Suchantke, etc, etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you John.<br />
Alan Fox is a hard-core darwinian zealot and a staunch laudator of P.Z. Myers. Neverthenless he thinks that &#8220;University Basel&#8221; is a Swiss professor and &#8220;On the origin of species&#8221; was written by &#8220;Erasmus Darwin&#8221; &#8211; check professor John Davison&#8217;s blog for more of Alan&#8217;s ideas.</p>
<p>Regarding Eimer&#8217;s Orthogenesis: only one work by him has been translated into English as far as I know. Jay Gould quoted and criticised only it because he was obviously wholly dependent on translations. It is a good custom and token of Anglo-American darwinists that they do not know languages. Darwin, Gould, Dawkins &#8211; none of them could read German. Consequently important works by German anti-darwinists were never discussed and darwinists pretend they do not exist. Eimer, Driesch, Portman, Suchantke, etc, etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
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		<dc:creator>John A. Davison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SkasasParadigm, whoever that is.

Thanks for the anonymous support. It would be much more significant if you used your real name.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the anonymous support. It would be much more significant if you used your real name.</p>
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		<title>By: SkasasParadigm</title>
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		<dc:creator>SkasasParadigm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is deliciously safe to recognize is that ALL attempts everywhere to introduce ID into the science curriculum in public education are doomed to embarrassing and humiliating failure. Because of Ken Miller, the NCSE and a large host of other concerned, informed and willing experts and citizens. And the growing number of legal precedents.


In the same aspects, the Darwinian model has been exposed for the fraud it is and is now losing ground. Thanks to people like Prf. Davison, Vmartin and others. In a word your on the titanic and it&#039;s sinking. They thought they were invincible too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is deliciously safe to recognize is that ALL attempts everywhere to introduce ID into the science curriculum in public education are doomed to embarrassing and humiliating failure. Because of Ken Miller, the NCSE and a large host of other concerned, informed and willing experts and citizens. And the growing number of legal precedents.</p>
<p>In the same aspects, the Darwinian model has been exposed for the fraud it is and is now losing ground. Thanks to people like Prf. Davison, Vmartin and others. In a word your on the titanic and it&#8217;s sinking. They thought they were invincible too.</p>
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