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		<title>By: Cal Berkeley Democrats &#187; Washington Post Worries About World&#8217;s Wealthiest People So You Don&#8217;t Have To</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/02/22/a-wrinkle-in-ice-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-26237</link>
		<dc:creator>Cal Berkeley Democrats &#187; Washington Post Worries About World&#8217;s Wealthiest People So You Don&#8217;t Have To</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ezra Klein, I don’t usually read the Washington Post because it seems to have adopted a policy of deliberately misleading its readers on its editorial page while its news section…well, the less said, the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Howling Winds</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/02/22/a-wrinkle-in-ice-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-16845</link>
		<dc:creator>Howling Winds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pough said: 

&quot;How about if I were to predict that the summer in Iowa will be warmer than the winter? Will that do?&quot;

Nope.  That will not do.  What we are asking for is precision on your part.  Give us the temp within 1.5 degrees, because the Global Warming Crowd is saying the temp will rise this much at a point in the future.  If you can&#039;t predict the correct temp of an Iowa summer then neither can you predict the temp of the earth with any precision decades into the future.  I&#039;m glad you aren&#039;t a doctor because you wouldn&#039;t have any patients left</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pough said: </p>
<p>&#8220;How about if I were to predict that the summer in Iowa will be warmer than the winter? Will that do?&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope.  That will not do.  What we are asking for is precision on your part.  Give us the temp within 1.5 degrees, because the Global Warming Crowd is saying the temp will rise this much at a point in the future.  If you can&#8217;t predict the correct temp of an Iowa summer then neither can you predict the temp of the earth with any precision decades into the future.  I&#8217;m glad you aren&#8217;t a doctor because you wouldn&#8217;t have any patients left</p>
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		<title>By: Climate Progress &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NYT&#8217;s Revkin embraces false balance, equates Will&#8217;s active disinformation with Gore&#8217;s effort to understand and communicate climate realism</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/02/22/a-wrinkle-in-ice-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-16602</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Progress &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NYT&#8217;s Revkin embraces false balance, equates Will&#8217;s active disinformation with Gore&#8217;s effort to understand and communicate climate realism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 01:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] NYT, is simply unable to come to his own judgment about what Will wrote: Mr. Will, peppered with complaints from scientists and environmental groups who claimed the column was riddled with errors, has yet to respond&#8230;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] NYT, is simply unable to come to his own judgment about what Will wrote: Mr. Will, peppered with complaints from scientists and environmental groups who claimed the column was riddled with errors, has yet to respond&#8230;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s wrong with the news? &#171; TechnoStuff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/02/22/a-wrinkle-in-ice-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-15522</link>
		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s wrong with the news? &#171; TechnoStuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] professional.  Do real in-depth reporting, researching and fact-checking (OMG, do they need fact checking!)  Yes, i know it&#8217;ll be difficult.  They will actually have to become experts [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] professional.  Do real in-depth reporting, researching and fact-checking (OMG, do they need fact checking!)  Yes, i know it&#8217;ll be difficult.  They will actually have to become experts [...]</p>
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		<title>By: George F. Will goes platinum &#171; Greenfyre&#8217;s</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/02/22/a-wrinkle-in-ice-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-15474</link>
		<dc:creator>George F. Will goes platinum &#171; Greenfyre&#8217;s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A Wrinkle In Ice (or Not) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/02/22/a-wrinkle-in-ice-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-15433</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene,

Scientists did not recently discover the SUN.  The effect of the varying output of the sun has been studied and found to be a minor contributor to climate change.

Read the IPCC 4th assessment report found here;

http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/assessments-reports.htm

You will also find data and analysis on atmospheric temperatures, sea
 surface temps, CO2 and other GHG concentration histories, aerosols (which contribute to cooling), ice masses, reflectance, etc, etc.  
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene,</p>
<p>Scientists did not recently discover the SUN.  The effect of the varying output of the sun has been studied and found to be a minor contributor to climate change.</p>
<p>Read the IPCC 4th assessment report found here;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/assessments-reports.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/assessments-reports.htm</a></p>
<p>You will also find data and analysis on atmospheric temperatures, sea<br />
 surface temps, CO2 and other GHG concentration histories, aerosols (which contribute to cooling), ice masses, reflectance, etc, etc.<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Torgeir Hansson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/02/22/a-wrinkle-in-ice-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-15292</link>
		<dc:creator>Torgeir Hansson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify: 

If we want the February 2009 comparison to bear on the December 2008 measurement, that is what we need to do, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify: </p>
<p>If we want the February 2009 comparison to bear on the December 2008 measurement, that is what we need to do, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Torgeir Hansson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/02/22/a-wrinkle-in-ice-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-15291</link>
		<dc:creator>Torgeir Hansson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question:

Why do we go from comparing December 2008/1979, to February 2009/1979?

We should be comparing February 2009 to February 1980, right?

What do the data show then? Just curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question:</p>
<p>Why do we go from comparing December 2008/1979, to February 2009/1979?</p>
<p>We should be comparing February 2009 to February 1980, right?</p>
<p>What do the data show then? Just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Easyliving1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/02/22/a-wrinkle-in-ice-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-15237</link>
		<dc:creator>Easyliving1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will responds.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/02/just_the_facts_on_global_warmi.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will responds.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/02/just_the_facts_on_global_warmi.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/02/just_the_facts_on_global_warmi.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hank Roberts</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/02/22/a-wrinkle-in-ice-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-15194</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Hank Says:
&gt;February 24th, 2009 at 10:28 am

That, titled &quot;Hubris&quot; -- appropriately enough -- posts some beliefs about how uncertainty is handled in scientific work that come right out of the PR sites.  

Not from me, to be clear.

To that &quot;Hank&quot; -- please, compare the beliefs you posted with what&#039;s published in the science journals about uncertainty.  You&#039;re copypasting stuff from PR sites intended to confuse people.  You can look this stuff up.  Your library -- any library -- will have this:  

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v445/n7128/full/445580a.html
Nature 445, 580-581 (8 February 2007) &#124; doi:10.1038/445580a
Climate change 2007: What we don&#039;t know about climate change

And read this: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22sound+science%22</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Hank Says:<br />
>February 24th, 2009 at 10:28 am</p>
<p>That, titled &#8220;Hubris&#8221; &#8212; appropriately enough &#8212; posts some beliefs about how uncertainty is handled in scientific work that come right out of the PR sites.  </p>
<p>Not from me, to be clear.</p>
<p>To that &#8220;Hank&#8221; &#8212; please, compare the beliefs you posted with what&#8217;s published in the science journals about uncertainty.  You&#8217;re copypasting stuff from PR sites intended to confuse people.  You can look this stuff up.  Your library &#8212; any library &#8212; will have this:  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v445/n7128/full/445580a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v445/n7128/full/445580a.html</a><br />
Nature 445, 580-581 (8 February 2007) | doi:10.1038/445580a<br />
Climate change 2007: What we don&#8217;t know about climate change</p>
<p>And read this: <a href="http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22sound+science%22" rel="nofollow">http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22sound+science%22</a></p>
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		<title>By: WashPost Embraces Will-Ful Deceit</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/02/22/a-wrinkle-in-ice-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-15183</link>
		<dc:creator>WashPost Embraces Will-Ful Deceit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Zimmer, The Loom, A Wrinkle in Ice (or Not), 22 Feb 09, examining ice coverage [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Unchecked Ice: A Saga in Five Chapters &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/02/22/a-wrinkle-in-ice-or-not/comment-page-2/#comment-15150</link>
		<dc:creator>Unchecked Ice: A Saga in Five Chapters &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] later contacted Bill Chapman, who runs the center, to ask about the statement. He explained that he and his colleagues got somewhere between 80 and 100 from people coming to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] later contacted Bill Chapman, who runs the center, to ask about the statement. He explained that he and his colleagues got somewhere between 80 and 100 from people coming to the [...]</p>
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