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		<title>By: Where Have All The Global Warming Left-Wing Democrats Gone? - Page 8 - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Where Have All The Global Warming Left-Wing Democrats Gone? - Page 8 - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Originally Posted by Anastasios Tsonis  I was worried that this will happen, that is why we caution in the paper that while climate shifts may be part of the  natural variability of the climate system they may be superimposed on a anthropogenic warming trend.  We mentioned that also in the MSNBC story, and this will be my answer to anybody who asks me.  I like to report on the science only. If political organizations want to pick up what they like in order to pass their point and ignore the real science,  there is nothing we can do.    http://www.uwm.edu/~kswanson/publica...037022_all.pdf  RealClimate: Warming, interrupted: Much ado about natural variability Checking George Will: The Perils of Time Travel &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Originally Posted by Anastasios Tsonis  I was worried that this will happen, that is why we caution in the paper that while climate shifts may be part of the  natural variability of the climate system they may be superimposed on a anthropogenic warming trend.  We mentioned that also in the MSNBC story, and this will be my answer to anybody who asks me.  I like to report on the science only. If political organizations want to pick up what they like in order to pass their point and ignore the real science,  there is nothing we can do.    <a href="http://www.uwm.edu/~kswanson/publica...037022_all.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.uwm.edu/~kswanson/publica&#8230;037022_all.pdf</a>  RealClimate: Warming, interrupted: Much ado about natural variability Checking George Will: The Perils of Time Travel | The Loom | Discover Magazine [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cosmic Condor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/04/checking-george-will-the-perils-of-time-travel/comment-page-1/#comment-19293</link>
		<dc:creator>Cosmic Condor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Gore meet Peabody and Sherman SO MR PEABODY STICK AL GORE IN THE WAYBAC MACHINE HERMAN SETS IT FOR THE YEAR 1547 AND GORE FINDS HIMSELF IN THE MIDDLE OF EUROPR DURING THE BLACK DEATH CUASED BY RATS AND FLEAS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Gore meet Peabody and Sherman SO MR PEABODY STICK AL GORE IN THE WAYBAC MACHINE HERMAN SETS IT FOR THE YEAR 1547 AND GORE FINDS HIMSELF IN THE MIDDLE OF EUROPR DURING THE BLACK DEATH CUASED BY RATS AND FLEAS</p>
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		<title>By: George Will debunked not once, not twice, not even three times, but four times by WaPo articles &#187; scruffydan.com/blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Will debunked not once, not twice, not even three times, but four times by WaPo articles &#187; scruffydan.com/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will appears to have borrowed this nugget from climate change skeptic web sites, which have elevated the argument that global warming has stopped or reversed to the status of an Internet &#8216;meme.&#8217; However, it has been debunked time and again. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Will appears to have borrowed this nugget from climate change skeptic web sites, which have elevated the argument that global warming has stopped or reversed to the status of an Internet &#8216;meme.&#8217; However, it has been debunked time and again. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Washington Post Blogger: &#34;Will Misleads Readers on Climate Science - Again&#34; &#124; FollowGreen.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Washington Post Blogger: &#34;Will Misleads Readers on Climate Science - Again&#34; &#124; FollowGreen.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will appears to have borrowed this nugget from climate change skeptic web sites, which have elevated the argument that global warming has stopped or reversed to the status of an Internet &#8216;meme.&#8217; However, it has been debunked time and again&#8220; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Will appears to have borrowed this nugget from climate change skeptic web sites, which have elevated the argument that global warming has stopped or reversed to the status of an Internet &#8216;meme.&#8217; However, it has been debunked time and again&#8220; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: George Will, sock puppet or lap dog? &#171; Greenfyre&#8217;s</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Will, sock puppet or lap dog? &#171; Greenfyre&#8217;s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 05:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: George F. Will goes platinum &#171; Greenfyre&#8217;s</title>
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		<dc:creator>George F. Will goes platinum &#171; Greenfyre&#8217;s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ice Never Sleeps: George Will, Jr. &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/04/checking-george-will-the-perils-of-time-travel/comment-page-1/#comment-15533</link>
		<dc:creator>Ice Never Sleeps: George Will, Jr. &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then invokes a new paper which I wrote about last week on a potential new shift in the climate. &#8220;In a new study, University of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] then invokes a new paper which I wrote about last week on a potential new shift in the climate. &#8220;In a new study, University of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fact Check:

The WMO states that:  &quot;Global temperatures in 2008 are expected to be above the long-term average. The decade from 1998 to 2007 has been the warmest on record, and the global average surface temperature has risen by 0.74C since the beginning of the 20th Century.&quot;  None of these statements contradicts Will&#039;s claim that there has been no &quot;recorded&quot; warming in a decade.  They essentially dodge the issue of the recent trend.  Will addresses that trend, not the consistently high values over that time.  Nor do these statements by themselves support the WMO&#039;s opening sentence, &quot;The long-term upward trend of global warming, mostly driven by greenhouse gas emissions, is continuing,&quot; at least, not over the most recent decade.

The WMO states that:   &quot;While important uncertainties still remain, the overwhelming global scientific consensus, as reflected through the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, is now that the Earth’s atmosphere is warming at an increasing rate and that most of this warming is very probably due to human activities, particularly fossil fuel burning and certain agricultural practices. It is also recognized that, while these changes are just beginning, their impacts will intensify in the coming decades.&quot;

This represents a scientific consensus on future expectations.  As such it does not contradict Will&#039;s claim regarding &quot;recorded&quot; warming over the last decade.  Will, like many of his ilk, is exploiting the acknowledged fact that with the extraordinary El Nino year of 1998 and natural climate variations since then, there has been little net warming over the past decade.  This is supported by WMO statistics.  A qualified fact checker would find Will&#039;s statement to be essentially correct.  The point is, it&#039;s highly misleading.  Unfortunately, there&#039;s no easy way to counter that observation, except by waiting for the long-term background trend to resume its march upward.  And that could be some years away.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact Check:</p>
<p>The WMO states that:  &#8220;Global temperatures in 2008 are expected to be above the long-term average. The decade from 1998 to 2007 has been the warmest on record, and the global average surface temperature has risen by 0.74C since the beginning of the 20th Century.&#8221;  None of these statements contradicts Will&#8217;s claim that there has been no &#8220;recorded&#8221; warming in a decade.  They essentially dodge the issue of the recent trend.  Will addresses that trend, not the consistently high values over that time.  Nor do these statements by themselves support the WMO&#8217;s opening sentence, &#8220;The long-term upward trend of global warming, mostly driven by greenhouse gas emissions, is continuing,&#8221; at least, not over the most recent decade.</p>
<p>The WMO states that:   &#8220;While important uncertainties still remain, the overwhelming global scientific consensus, as reflected through the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, is now that the Earth’s atmosphere is warming at an increasing rate and that most of this warming is very probably due to human activities, particularly fossil fuel burning and certain agricultural practices. It is also recognized that, while these changes are just beginning, their impacts will intensify in the coming decades.&#8221;</p>
<p>This represents a scientific consensus on future expectations.  As such it does not contradict Will&#8217;s claim regarding &#8220;recorded&#8221; warming over the last decade.  Will, like many of his ilk, is exploiting the acknowledged fact that with the extraordinary El Nino year of 1998 and natural climate variations since then, there has been little net warming over the past decade.  This is supported by WMO statistics.  A qualified fact checker would find Will&#8217;s statement to be essentially correct.  The point is, it&#8217;s highly misleading.  Unfortunately, there&#8217;s no easy way to counter that observation, except by waiting for the long-term background trend to resume its march upward.  And that could be some years away.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to shine, what I hope is, a light of reality upon these proceedings.  It has been my observation that the nay-sayers of any well-established theory have a sharp, clear agenda.  They start with the result (which is Right and Beyond Question) and they go around looking for any evidence, no matter how thin or implausible, to back them up.

This is not science, even though it has a wafer thin resemblance to the scientfic method.  A scientist goes where the data takes them.  Any idea can be overturned or amended, given enough evidence.

The political deniers will not be swayed by evidence.  They seize upon the supporting evidence and totally discount contradicting evidence.

Go ahead and debate away.  Use your scientific methods and instincts.  Just remember that only scientifically minded people will give you a fair hearing.  The deniers are playing a political game, and can only be defeated politically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to shine, what I hope is, a light of reality upon these proceedings.  It has been my observation that the nay-sayers of any well-established theory have a sharp, clear agenda.  They start with the result (which is Right and Beyond Question) and they go around looking for any evidence, no matter how thin or implausible, to back them up.</p>
<p>This is not science, even though it has a wafer thin resemblance to the scientfic method.  A scientist goes where the data takes them.  Any idea can be overturned or amended, given enough evidence.</p>
<p>The political deniers will not be swayed by evidence.  They seize upon the supporting evidence and totally discount contradicting evidence.</p>
<p>Go ahead and debate away.  Use your scientific methods and instincts.  Just remember that only scientifically minded people will give you a fair hearing.  The deniers are playing a political game, and can only be defeated politically.</p>
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		<title>By: Origin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Origin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to post to thank you for all of your time spent fact-checking and investigating, Carl. This is a tough subject to keep up with(I&#039;m certainly too engrossed in my own studies to do so), and your striving to maintain scientific accuracy does not go unnoticed. Both the scientific community and the general public need writers like you. 
Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to post to thank you for all of your time spent fact-checking and investigating, Carl. This is a tough subject to keep up with(I&#8217;m certainly too engrossed in my own studies to do so), and your striving to maintain scientific accuracy does not go unnoticed. Both the scientific community and the general public need writers like you.<br />
Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: neo-anti-luddite</title>
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		<dc:creator>neo-anti-luddite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...but, just as the acid rain hoaxed passed, so will the global warming hoax.&quot;

The &quot;acid rain hoax&quot;?

Are you actually tyring to claim that because the regulation of specific sulfur- and nitrogen-based industrial waste products has worked to reduce acid rain in the US that the whole thing was a hoax?

You should tell that to Eastern Europe, China, and Southeast Asia; they&#039;ll be delighted to hear that the acid rain they&#039;re still getting hit with is just a &quot;hoax.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;but, just as the acid rain hoaxed passed, so will the global warming hoax.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;acid rain hoax&#8221;?</p>
<p>Are you actually tyring to claim that because the regulation of specific sulfur- and nitrogen-based industrial waste products has worked to reduce acid rain in the US that the whole thing was a hoax?</p>
<p>You should tell that to Eastern Europe, China, and Southeast Asia; they&#8217;ll be delighted to hear that the acid rain they&#8217;re still getting hit with is just a &#8220;hoax.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SLC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re  Sunshine

&lt;i&gt;It will have to become overwhelming before you lunitics will give your lies, but, just as the acid rain hoaxed passed, so will the global warming hoax.&lt;/i&gt;

Gee, are these hoaxes like the HIV/AIDS hoax, the cigarette smoking/lung cancer hoax, the Holocaust hoax, the CFCs/ozone depletion hoax, the moon landing hoax?  End snark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re  Sunshine</p>
<p><i>It will have to become overwhelming before you lunitics will give your lies, but, just as the acid rain hoaxed passed, so will the global warming hoax.</i></p>
<p>Gee, are these hoaxes like the HIV/AIDS hoax, the cigarette smoking/lung cancer hoax, the Holocaust hoax, the CFCs/ozone depletion hoax, the moon landing hoax?  End snark.</p>
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