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		<title>By: Defining the Journalism vs. Blogging Debate, with a Science Reporting angle &#124; INDONESIA PORTAL</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-61467</link>
		<dc:creator>Defining the Journalism vs. Blogging Debate, with a Science Reporting angle &#124; INDONESIA PORTAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 17:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Davis, David Crotty, Eric Berger, John Hawks, Jennifer Gardy, Bee, Text Technologies, Chris Mooney, Carl Zimmer, Henry Gee, Mr. Gunn, Mark Liberman, Ben Goldacre, Chris Patiland Vivian Siegel, Chris Mooney [...]</description>
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		<title>By: My God, It&#8217;s Full of Blogs &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>My God, It&#8217;s Full of Blogs &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] topic. If you&#8217;re interested in the experiences and opinions I bring to the discussion, read this. Basically, I find kvetching and yearning for some global system a waste of time. I am interested [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Futurity: The Future of Science Reporting? &#171; Masticated Science</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-26820</link>
		<dc:creator>Futurity: The Future of Science Reporting? &#171; Masticated Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Globe eliminated it&#8217;s popular Health/science section, and other newspapers, even cable TV are fairing no better. Some scientists may not be unhappy with this turn of events, as attitudes ranging from ambivalent [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Globe eliminated it&#8217;s popular Health/science section, and other newspapers, even cable TV are fairing no better. Some scientists may not be unhappy with this turn of events, as attitudes ranging from ambivalent [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Science Reporting in Reverse: The New Ecosystem of Science News &#124; Science</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-19141</link>
		<dc:creator>Science Reporting in Reverse: The New Ecosystem of Science News &#124; Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 11:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] generalized ad hominem attacks about science reporting (as both NY Times and Discover contributor Carl Zimmer recently noted). The Nature piece quotes Bora Zivkovic, author of A Blog Around the Clock on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Science Reporting in Reverse: The New Ecosystem of Science News &#124; The Faster Times</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-18243</link>
		<dc:creator>Science Reporting in Reverse: The New Ecosystem of Science News &#124; The Faster Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 06:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] generalized ad hominem attacks about science reporting (as both NY Times and Discover contributor Carl Zimmer recently noted). The Nature piece quotes Bora Zivkovic, author of A Blog Around the Clock on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Holly Cumbers</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-17309</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly Cumbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does anyone know where i can get hold of more information about the differences between science articles in newspapers and blogs as I am doing it for a university project and have so far found the information really limited so far. Thanks really appreciate it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone know where i can get hold of more information about the differences between science articles in newspapers and blogs as I am doing it for a university project and have so far found the information really limited so far. Thanks really appreciate it</p>
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		<title>By: David Dobbs</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-16664</link>
		<dc:creator>David Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really nice job, Carl. As they say down at the ballpark, you got all of that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really nice job, Carl. As they say down at the ballpark, you got all of that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-16512</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would arge that there is a substantial difference between &#039;science journalists&#039; and &#039;journalists writing about science&#039;. It is the former who produce these kinds fo thoughtful, accurate pieces about a specific topic that involves research, travel, interviews and more for a reader who really wants to know what&#039;s going on. The latter tend to produce the quick &#039;n&#039; dirty stuff that chews up press reseases and makjes big obvious and damageing mistakes chasing a lowest common demonitaor readership with short, dramatic articles. Both sides are often at the mercy of editors and headline writers who can make good things bad (as per the recent New Scientist articel on reporting of autism).

There will always be a place for science journalism, but there is no harm in highlighting the (many) poor articles, and poor writing that sensationalise, distory and, yes, even lie about the evidence. Blogging can do a lot of good in that respect certainly, but I do want to read well crafted articles by science journlaists who can elucidate things I cannot get from even a good &#039;basic&#039; blog, and will have put in the time and effort and craft to produce something both interesting and informative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would arge that there is a substantial difference between &#8216;science journalists&#8217; and &#8216;journalists writing about science&#8217;. It is the former who produce these kinds fo thoughtful, accurate pieces about a specific topic that involves research, travel, interviews and more for a reader who really wants to know what&#8217;s going on. The latter tend to produce the quick &#8216;n&#8217; dirty stuff that chews up press reseases and makjes big obvious and damageing mistakes chasing a lowest common demonitaor readership with short, dramatic articles. Both sides are often at the mercy of editors and headline writers who can make good things bad (as per the recent New Scientist articel on reporting of autism).</p>
<p>There will always be a place for science journalism, but there is no harm in highlighting the (many) poor articles, and poor writing that sensationalise, distory and, yes, even lie about the evidence. Blogging can do a lot of good in that respect certainly, but I do want to read well crafted articles by science journlaists who can elucidate things I cannot get from even a good &#8216;basic&#8217; blog, and will have put in the time and effort and craft to produce something both interesting and informative.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-16510</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, Goldacre has a lot more to say about why British science coverage is so bad than just that one post. He wrote a whole book about it, and it&#039;s the perennial topic of his weekly column in the Guardian (from which the book was mostly drawn). There are many angles to it, but the central one is that in Britain most science news isn&#039;t reported by specialist science writers but by arts educated generalists, who don&#039;t understand statistics or how to read a peer-reviewed paper. Now he does have more criticisms aimed at science journalism that is written by specialists - he&#039;d prefer to see more scientists talking directly to readers, perhaps mediated by editors. But his main complaints are addresed at those who misreport science through ignorance or bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, Goldacre has a lot more to say about why British science coverage is so bad than just that one post. He wrote a whole book about it, and it&#8217;s the perennial topic of his weekly column in the Guardian (from which the book was mostly drawn). There are many angles to it, but the central one is that in Britain most science news isn&#8217;t reported by specialist science writers but by arts educated generalists, who don&#8217;t understand statistics or how to read a peer-reviewed paper. Now he does have more criticisms aimed at science journalism that is written by specialists &#8211; he&#8217;d prefer to see more scientists talking directly to readers, perhaps mediated by editors. But his main complaints are addresed at those who misreport science through ignorance or bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Henderson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-16495</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good piece. You make an especially perceptive comment about the tendency by some bloggers to characterise science journalism as a monolithic whole. There is good and bad -- and it&#039;s easy to cherry-pick the latter.

I thought I&#039;d add a brief comment as someone who was quoted in the Nature piece -- accurately but incompletely -- admitting to the occasional use of press releases.

I&#039;m broadly in agreement that journalism by press release is a bad thing -- especially when it is *all* that a reporter or news outlet produces. However, they do have a place, and it isn&#039;t always unjustified to rely occasionally on well-written releases as a short-cut. 

The reason is that they free up so much more time to spend on other things. If I were to report everything with the thoroughness I would like, I would need a 20-day week -- not least because of editors&#039; demands for coverage of stories I don&#039;t particularly rate, and their tendency to want to cover themselves in case something that&#039;s heavily done elsewhere is missed. Deadlines can also be extremely tight -- especially when reporting for a UK newspaper on papers with West Coast authors. That&#039;s an 8 hour time change, leaving little or no opportunity to speak to a scientist on the same day.

By using a good press release in these circumstances (backed up at least by reading the published paper, and usually with a call to the lead author too), it becomes possible to get them out of the way quickly and accurately (if with little added value). That means I still have time to concentrate on the core of the job -- chasing down exclusives, writing explanatory pieces that really add value, and reporting fully and forensically on the items that really matter. If used properly and selectively, good press releases can help a conscientious reporter who wants to break stories and write original material to do the job.

It&#039;s too simplistic to see every press-release rewrite as the same. If it&#039;s all that people do, it&#039;s a fair cop. But if the reporter in question is also producing a lot of good original work, it&#039;s a different matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good piece. You make an especially perceptive comment about the tendency by some bloggers to characterise science journalism as a monolithic whole. There is good and bad &#8212; and it&#8217;s easy to cherry-pick the latter.</p>
<p>I thought I&#8217;d add a brief comment as someone who was quoted in the Nature piece &#8212; accurately but incompletely &#8212; admitting to the occasional use of press releases.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m broadly in agreement that journalism by press release is a bad thing &#8212; especially when it is *all* that a reporter or news outlet produces. However, they do have a place, and it isn&#8217;t always unjustified to rely occasionally on well-written releases as a short-cut. </p>
<p>The reason is that they free up so much more time to spend on other things. If I were to report everything with the thoroughness I would like, I would need a 20-day week &#8212; not least because of editors&#8217; demands for coverage of stories I don&#8217;t particularly rate, and their tendency to want to cover themselves in case something that&#8217;s heavily done elsewhere is missed. Deadlines can also be extremely tight &#8212; especially when reporting for a UK newspaper on papers with West Coast authors. That&#8217;s an 8 hour time change, leaving little or no opportunity to speak to a scientist on the same day.</p>
<p>By using a good press release in these circumstances (backed up at least by reading the published paper, and usually with a call to the lead author too), it becomes possible to get them out of the way quickly and accurately (if with little added value). That means I still have time to concentrate on the core of the job &#8212; chasing down exclusives, writing explanatory pieces that really add value, and reporting fully and forensically on the items that really matter. If used properly and selectively, good press releases can help a conscientious reporter who wants to break stories and write original material to do the job.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too simplistic to see every press-release rewrite as the same. If it&#8217;s all that people do, it&#8217;s a fair cop. But if the reporter in question is also producing a lot of good original work, it&#8217;s a different matter.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-16492</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Jake wrote.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Brown</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-16397</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A really fine, thoughtful piece Carl, and the example was particularly well chosen. The only thing I would think you underestimated is the importance of gatekeepers. One of the implicit promises that newspapers made their readers was that what was left out didn&#039;t matter. I&#039;m sure people will still pay for that kind of editorial judgement, but there is a whole swathe of newspapers which have stopped offering it. I don&#039;t think blogs can, because there&#039;s just so much information about that any one blogger can only sift a tiny specialised section of it. Some do a great job of that. But then their siftings need to be combined, and quite often rewritten as you rather delicately suggest. That needs more people; and soon you have an organisation which looks something quite like a newspaper, except that it&#039;s not on paper and it&#039;s broke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A really fine, thoughtful piece Carl, and the example was particularly well chosen. The only thing I would think you underestimated is the importance of gatekeepers. One of the implicit promises that newspapers made their readers was that what was left out didn&#8217;t matter. I&#8217;m sure people will still pay for that kind of editorial judgement, but there is a whole swathe of newspapers which have stopped offering it. I don&#8217;t think blogs can, because there&#8217;s just so much information about that any one blogger can only sift a tiny specialised section of it. Some do a great job of that. But then their siftings need to be combined, and quite often rewritten as you rather delicately suggest. That needs more people; and soon you have an organisation which looks something quite like a newspaper, except that it&#8217;s not on paper and it&#8217;s broke.</p>
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		<title>By: Noggin Raisers Vol.11 &#171; N e u r o n a r r a t i v e</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-16342</link>
		<dc:creator>Noggin Raisers Vol.11 &#171; N e u r o n a r r a t i v e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The future of science journalism is a topic on the rise, and Carl Zimmer at The Loom does it justice in this post [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-16307</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a wonderful post.  I soaked it up.  Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: Willy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-16254</link>
		<dc:creator>Willy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In thinking about &quot;Visions of the Crash&quot; and the larger media environment, I want to note what has happened at CNN. I was very disappointed when CNN dropped Miles O&#039;Brien (http://milesobrien.wordpress.com/) last December - he is one of the best science reporters ever to appear on television. Over recent years, CNN  dramatically decreased its coverage of science to news-breaking sensations (e.g., Alaskan volcanoes, ice on wings of planes that crashed), sometimes trivialized health care issues (e.g., Sanjay Gupta evaluating whether  the personal health benefits of organic foods are worth the price, utterly neglecting to mention the ecological importance of organic foods: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/25/hcsg.01.html), and energy coverage that seems to be very closely linked to their major advertisers in the fossil fuel and nuclear energy industries - wouldn&#039;t want to spend more than 30 seconds at a time on greener solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In thinking about &#8220;Visions of the Crash&#8221; and the larger media environment, I want to note what has happened at CNN. I was very disappointed when CNN dropped Miles O&#8217;Brien (<a href="http://milesobrien.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://milesobrien.wordpress.com/</a>) last December &#8211; he is one of the best science reporters ever to appear on television. Over recent years, CNN  dramatically decreased its coverage of science to news-breaking sensations (e.g., Alaskan volcanoes, ice on wings of planes that crashed), sometimes trivialized health care issues (e.g., Sanjay Gupta evaluating whether  the personal health benefits of organic foods are worth the price, utterly neglecting to mention the ecological importance of organic foods: <a href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/25/hcsg.01.html" rel="nofollow">http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/25/hcsg.01.html</a>), and energy coverage that seems to be very closely linked to their major advertisers in the fossil fuel and nuclear energy industries &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t want to spend more than 30 seconds at a time on greener solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: outeast</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-16240</link>
		<dc:creator>outeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about this more, and one thing that I really feel is that the study Carl cites on journalistic accuracy is just too lenient. Would we accept political reporting that unquestioningly recited the claims to historic significance made by politicians? If a newspaper&#039;s book section regurgitated the publisher&#039;s press release about a new book would we not feel cheated? Even setting aside the frequent mistakes and misrepresentatuions of science found in media reports, it is simply &lt;i&gt;not enough&lt;/i&gt; for a journalist to merely accurately relay the claims of a new paper. 

For any new research, the publishing journal and the researchers both have an obvious interest in pushing the significance of their findings - and there are known publishing biases to worsen that issue. A responsible journalist should be going further than merely regurgitating the conclusions of the paper by placing the research in a broader context, finding out whether it is really representative of the state of the science, and so on - something that Carl does routinely but that was not explored in that research (although the authors do actually highlight these potential problems at the end of the paper).

There&#039;s definitely space for (even need for) professional, competent science journalism. The question is whether and to what extent traditional media are actually fostering such journalists - and the very fact that a leading prefessional like Carl is evidently feeling the pinch suggests that there is a big problem. If bloggers are stepping into any gap, it&#039;s one the media are cheerfully creating themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this more, and one thing that I really feel is that the study Carl cites on journalistic accuracy is just too lenient. Would we accept political reporting that unquestioningly recited the claims to historic significance made by politicians? If a newspaper&#8217;s book section regurgitated the publisher&#8217;s press release about a new book would we not feel cheated? Even setting aside the frequent mistakes and misrepresentatuions of science found in media reports, it is simply <i>not enough</i> for a journalist to merely accurately relay the claims of a new paper. </p>
<p>For any new research, the publishing journal and the researchers both have an obvious interest in pushing the significance of their findings &#8211; and there are known publishing biases to worsen that issue. A responsible journalist should be going further than merely regurgitating the conclusions of the paper by placing the research in a broader context, finding out whether it is really representative of the state of the science, and so on &#8211; something that Carl does routinely but that was not explored in that research (although the authors do actually highlight these potential problems at the end of the paper).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s definitely space for (even need for) professional, competent science journalism. The question is whether and to what extent traditional media are actually fostering such journalists &#8211; and the very fact that a leading prefessional like Carl is evidently feeling the pinch suggests that there is a big problem. If bloggers are stepping into any gap, it&#8217;s one the media are cheerfully creating themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam Gordon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-16224</link>
		<dc:creator>Miriam Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl, this is a great post. Your description of your first vision of the future reminded me of the first time I clicked on a &quot;Share This&quot; symbol under an article or blog entry I was reading. I had no idea what the hell I was looking at. Since then, I&#039;ve come to appreciate it.

I believe I mentioned to you that Science Writers In New York recently held a panel program on Social Media for Science Writers. Everything you&#039;ve said here was brought up in this program. Among our distinguished panelists was Jay Rosen, a thought leader in the way journalism is changing in these times. He and Bora Zivkovic are pretty tight, actually. Based on what I learned from the panel and from Jay and Bora, the field of science journalism is evolving, but it&#039;s not the end of science journalism. Only time will tell the effect of the internet on the future of science journalism. 

There&#039;s a book that Google had all of its employees read called &quot;The Long Tail&quot;, by Chris Anderson, and I think the principles of this book apply very well to the current state of science journalism and how its changing. The main principle of the book is that the few macro-markets of the past (newspapers) are becoming less common, and making way for more micro-markets (blogs, etc). New business models for science journalism and science writing will come into being. 

The piece from Darcy Frey was amazing. You are right that a great deal of money is required for something like this. I believe that new sources for the money will arise. Just don&#039;t ask me how. 

I think I&#039;ve just reiterated what you said in this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, this is a great post. Your description of your first vision of the future reminded me of the first time I clicked on a &#8220;Share This&#8221; symbol under an article or blog entry I was reading. I had no idea what the hell I was looking at. Since then, I&#8217;ve come to appreciate it.</p>
<p>I believe I mentioned to you that Science Writers In New York recently held a panel program on Social Media for Science Writers. Everything you&#8217;ve said here was brought up in this program. Among our distinguished panelists was Jay Rosen, a thought leader in the way journalism is changing in these times. He and Bora Zivkovic are pretty tight, actually. Based on what I learned from the panel and from Jay and Bora, the field of science journalism is evolving, but it&#8217;s not the end of science journalism. Only time will tell the effect of the internet on the future of science journalism. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a book that Google had all of its employees read called &#8220;The Long Tail&#8221;, by Chris Anderson, and I think the principles of this book apply very well to the current state of science journalism and how its changing. The main principle of the book is that the few macro-markets of the past (newspapers) are becoming less common, and making way for more micro-markets (blogs, etc). New business models for science journalism and science writing will come into being. </p>
<p>The piece from Darcy Frey was amazing. You are right that a great deal of money is required for something like this. I believe that new sources for the money will arise. Just don&#8217;t ask me how. </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ve just reiterated what you said in this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Petit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Petit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl - You hit the nail on the head with this, and I identify with that Mosaic reminiscence. I didn&#039;t &quot;get&quot; the internet and browsing until Shoemaker-Levy hit Jupiter 15 years ago. A scientist told me &quot;it&#039;s all on the web.&quot; I said what? But soon I was the only guy in the newsroom on Mosaic, watching that thing on one of the only so-equipped computers the paper had. 
   A further remark is to counter the comment by CromerCrox. I read dozens of science news stories every day, and many of the press releases that helped to inspire them. By and large it is a rather competent cadre of university, nat&#039;l lab, journal publisher, major society (Nat&#039;l Geographic, Audubon, etc), and similar institution public affairs writers that composes those releases. They are often career pros, not gofers at independent p.r. companies. All press releases must be handled with caution, as they are inherently self-serving and may well err by omission. And corporate p.r. must be given an extra dry gimlet eye. Reporters are often far too dependent on press releases. They may turn their journalist brains off and just go into rewrite mode. But it&#039;s easy to fall prey to that exactly because so many releases  are impressively well done in terms of both accuracy and composition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl &#8211; You hit the nail on the head with this, and I identify with that Mosaic reminiscence. I didn&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; the internet and browsing until Shoemaker-Levy hit Jupiter 15 years ago. A scientist told me &#8220;it&#8217;s all on the web.&#8221; I said what? But soon I was the only guy in the newsroom on Mosaic, watching that thing on one of the only so-equipped computers the paper had.<br />
   A further remark is to counter the comment by CromerCrox. I read dozens of science news stories every day, and many of the press releases that helped to inspire them. By and large it is a rather competent cadre of university, nat&#8217;l lab, journal publisher, major society (Nat&#8217;l Geographic, Audubon, etc), and similar institution public affairs writers that composes those releases. They are often career pros, not gofers at independent p.r. companies. All press releases must be handled with caution, as they are inherently self-serving and may well err by omission. And corporate p.r. must be given an extra dry gimlet eye. Reporters are often far too dependent on press releases. They may turn their journalist brains off and just go into rewrite mode. But it&#8217;s easy to fall prey to that exactly because so many releases  are impressively well done in terms of both accuracy and composition.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ogilvie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Ogilvie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great article and raises the right questions, with hopefully more runway than newspapers were able to get. 
 
David Swensen &amp; Michael Schmidt wrote an interesting op-ed piece for the NY Times on creating an endowment for newspapers. I wonder if a similar model might be applied to science writing.  
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/opinion/28swensen.html

I&#039;ve got no idea how something like this would come into existence, but it seems like the right model to me....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article and raises the right questions, with hopefully more runway than newspapers were able to get. </p>
<p>David Swensen &#038; Michael Schmidt wrote an interesting op-ed piece for the NY Times on creating an endowment for newspapers. I wonder if a similar model might be applied to science writing.<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/opinion/28swensen.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/opinion/28swensen.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got no idea how something like this would come into existence, but it seems like the right model to me&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a self-styled &quot;science blogger&quot;, I wouldn&#039;t want the responsibility or have the hubris to ensure balanced coverage of current scientific advances. An editor provides an indispensable function of overview, that can hardly be assumed by any individual blogger. Even collective sites are prone to fashions - I&#039;m thinking recently of the many independent blog reactions to recent pronouncements on condoms or certain medical journal editorials.

I would also want to read more pieces like Darcy Frey&#039;s. I would read a non-science outlet in which these appear on a regular basis. (I do subscribe to American Scientist.) If I took the time away from conducting science enough to write anything of remotely similar merit, and I did it on a regular basis, I would style myself as a science journalist. Perhaps freelance. But no longer only as a blogger.

So, no, science blogging is not going to replace science journalism. The latter can masquerade as the former, though. Perhaps there is a place for an editor-type, perhaps from a traditional journal, who can &quot;commission&quot; pieces through themed blog carnivals, though, in which working scientists can take part?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a self-styled &#8220;science blogger&#8221;, I wouldn&#8217;t want the responsibility or have the hubris to ensure balanced coverage of current scientific advances. An editor provides an indispensable function of overview, that can hardly be assumed by any individual blogger. Even collective sites are prone to fashions &#8211; I&#8217;m thinking recently of the many independent blog reactions to recent pronouncements on condoms or certain medical journal editorials.</p>
<p>I would also want to read more pieces like Darcy Frey&#8217;s. I would read a non-science outlet in which these appear on a regular basis. (I do subscribe to American Scientist.) If I took the time away from conducting science enough to write anything of remotely similar merit, and I did it on a regular basis, I would style myself as a science journalist. Perhaps freelance. But no longer only as a blogger.</p>
<p>So, no, science blogging is not going to replace science journalism. The latter can masquerade as the former, though. Perhaps there is a place for an editor-type, perhaps from a traditional journal, who can &#8220;commission&#8221; pieces through themed blog carnivals, though, in which working scientists can take part?</p>
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		<title>By: outeast</title>
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		<dc:creator>outeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help thinking that this article/post (delete as preferred) rather mischaracterizes the positions taken by (at least some of) those bemoaning the sad state of science reporting in the traditional media. 

Certainly I&#039;ve never heard anyone saying science reporting &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt; is redundant, just that there is now less wiggle room for lazy and incompetent science reporting by journalists who simply do not (in fact often cannot) do their jobs. Newspapers axing their science staff only exacerbates the problem: a decent science story needs to be researched and fact-checked by someone who can understand what they&#039;re doing, not by some general-purpose hack who wouldn&#039;t be able to identify a base-rate fallacy if it bit them in the burro.

There&#039;s a difference between journalists who report on science and science journalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help thinking that this article/post (delete as preferred) rather mischaracterizes the positions taken by (at least some of) those bemoaning the sad state of science reporting in the traditional media. </p>
<p>Certainly I&#8217;ve never heard anyone saying science reporting <i>per se</i> is redundant, just that there is now less wiggle room for lazy and incompetent science reporting by journalists who simply do not (in fact often cannot) do their jobs. Newspapers axing their science staff only exacerbates the problem: a decent science story needs to be researched and fact-checked by someone who can understand what they&#8217;re doing, not by some general-purpose hack who wouldn&#8217;t be able to identify a base-rate fallacy if it bit them in the burro.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a difference between journalists who report on science and science journalists.</p>
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		<title>By: The Third Bit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Zimmer&#8217;s Visions</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Third Bit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Zimmer&#8217;s Visions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Zimmer has a lengthy post on the future of science journalism that&#8217;s well worth reading.  I have many of the same [...]</description>
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		<title>By: B.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice entry on the whole science journalism issue. I think that much of the criticism of science journalism/science writing that you read on blogs these days is  way too anecdotal (e.g., look at the mistake in this one article - sometimes it&#039;s not even a mistake, it&#039;s just a matter of word choice, or style) and sweeping (e.g., because of this one mistake, oh my gosh, all science writers except Dawkins and Zimmer :) are idiots). A lot of the criticism seems to come from folks who I&#039;m guessing don&#039;t write professionally and probably have no idea what the process involves, for example how often what appears in final print is an amalgam of what the writer originally wrote and what sometimes a series of editors do to that piece in the meanwhile. Nor do they seem to understand that nobody is perfect all the time. Is anybody ever perfect? I&#039;m not sure where I&#039;m going with this other than to say that maybe a little more understanding and thought- you know, the type of critical thinking that scientists should be better at - ought to go into some of the all-science-journalists/writers-are-stupid criticism that seems to be permeating the blogosphere these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice entry on the whole science journalism issue. I think that much of the criticism of science journalism/science writing that you read on blogs these days is  way too anecdotal (e.g., look at the mistake in this one article &#8211; sometimes it&#8217;s not even a mistake, it&#8217;s just a matter of word choice, or style) and sweeping (e.g., because of this one mistake, oh my gosh, all science writers except Dawkins and Zimmer <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  are idiots). A lot of the criticism seems to come from folks who I&#8217;m guessing don&#8217;t write professionally and probably have no idea what the process involves, for example how often what appears in final print is an amalgam of what the writer originally wrote and what sometimes a series of editors do to that piece in the meanwhile. Nor do they seem to understand that nobody is perfect all the time. Is anybody ever perfect? I&#8217;m not sure where I&#8217;m going with this other than to say that maybe a little more understanding and thought- you know, the type of critical thinking that scientists should be better at &#8211; ought to go into some of the all-science-journalists/writers-are-stupid criticism that seems to be permeating the blogosphere these days.</p>
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		<title>By: HP</title>
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		<dc:creator>HP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading blogs since 1999, when there were perhaps a few hundred blogs at most, so I feel like an old hand in the blogwars. I really think that the journalists vs blogs conflict is at best manufactured and artificial. Whether we&#039;re talking about science blogs, politics blogs, news blogs, humanities blogs, what have you, there would be no blogs without journalism to react to. 

The real conflict is not between bloggers and journalists, but between bloggers and the gatekeepers of journalism, the editors and publishers who decide what gets published, and how much emphasis to give it. It&#039;s not the journalists who decide what story gets printed on page A3 when it&#039;s current, and what story gets relegated to page G13, sometime in the next six months, if and when it&#039;s convenient. Bloggers, I think, are wrong when they focus on the author of the odd piece-of-crap journalism that is occasionally commited to newsprint. 

The real demon -- the enemy of my enemy, if you will -- is the publishers and managing editors who have no idea what stories are newsworthy and why. This is not a new phenomenon. I think it was back in the 1940s that I.F. Stone said something like, &quot;It&#039;s easy to find the most important story in the New York Times. Just look at page B18 below the fold.&quot;

I get all my news via blogs these days, and have for the last several years. It&#039;s not because the bloggers are better writers (they&#039;re not), or because I no longer read journalists (I do, but only because someone has linked to a story from a blog). No, the reason I go to blogs for news (whether science news or politics or whatever), is that the blogs do a much better job of filtering out the noise and showing me the stories that actually matter. I think that if it were up to MEs and publishers, newspapers would contain no actual content at all. And yet they wonder why readership is down.

Newspapers today are suffering, it&#039;s true, but not because of any lack on the part of journalists. Newspapers are suffering because their managers and publishers are idiots -- idiots who live in a bubble where idiots are rewarded and anyone with minimal competence is laughed at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading blogs since 1999, when there were perhaps a few hundred blogs at most, so I feel like an old hand in the blogwars. I really think that the journalists vs blogs conflict is at best manufactured and artificial. Whether we&#8217;re talking about science blogs, politics blogs, news blogs, humanities blogs, what have you, there would be no blogs without journalism to react to. </p>
<p>The real conflict is not between bloggers and journalists, but between bloggers and the gatekeepers of journalism, the editors and publishers who decide what gets published, and how much emphasis to give it. It&#8217;s not the journalists who decide what story gets printed on page A3 when it&#8217;s current, and what story gets relegated to page G13, sometime in the next six months, if and when it&#8217;s convenient. Bloggers, I think, are wrong when they focus on the author of the odd piece-of-crap journalism that is occasionally commited to newsprint. </p>
<p>The real demon &#8212; the enemy of my enemy, if you will &#8212; is the publishers and managing editors who have no idea what stories are newsworthy and why. This is not a new phenomenon. I think it was back in the 1940s that I.F. Stone said something like, &#8220;It&#8217;s easy to find the most important story in the New York Times. Just look at page B18 below the fold.&#8221;</p>
<p>I get all my news via blogs these days, and have for the last several years. It&#8217;s not because the bloggers are better writers (they&#8217;re not), or because I no longer read journalists (I do, but only because someone has linked to a story from a blog). No, the reason I go to blogs for news (whether science news or politics or whatever), is that the blogs do a much better job of filtering out the noise and showing me the stories that actually matter. I think that if it were up to MEs and publishers, newspapers would contain no actual content at all. And yet they wonder why readership is down.</p>
<p>Newspapers today are suffering, it&#8217;s true, but not because of any lack on the part of journalists. Newspapers are suffering because their managers and publishers are idiots &#8212; idiots who live in a bubble where idiots are rewarded and anyone with minimal competence is laughed at.</p>
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		<title>By: Cromercrox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cromercrox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I do have a beef about press releases - news organiazations tend to assume that they can be written by anybody, so they frequently are. This ignores the fact that press releases are an important form of communication in their own right and should be composed by people who know what they are doing, not the gopher in a PR company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I do have a beef about press releases &#8211; news organiazations tend to assume that they can be written by anybody, so they frequently are. This ignores the fact that press releases are an important form of communication in their own right and should be composed by people who know what they are doing, not the gopher in a PR company.</p>
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