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		<title>By: Defining the Journalism vs. Blogging Debate, with a Science Reporting angle &#124; INDONESIA PORTAL</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/#comment-10554</link>
		<dc:creator>Defining the Journalism vs. Blogging Debate, with a Science Reporting angle &#124; INDONESIA PORTAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 17:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Davis, David Crotty, Eric Berger, John Hawks, Jennifer Gardy, Bee, Text Technologies, Chris Mooney, Carl Zimmer, Henry Gee, Mr. Gunn, Mark Liberman, Ben Goldacre, Chris Patiland Vivian Siegel, Chris Mooney [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Davis, David Crotty, Eric Berger, John Hawks, Jennifer Gardy, Bee, Text Technologies, Chris Mooney, Carl Zimmer, Henry Gee, Mr. Gunn, Mark Liberman, Ben Goldacre, Chris Patiland Vivian Siegel, Chris Mooney [...] </p>
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		<title>By: My God, It&#8217;s Full of Blogs &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/#comment-10553</link>
		<dc:creator>My God, It&#8217;s Full of Blogs &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] topic. If you&#8217;re interested in the experiences and opinions I bring to the discussion, read this. Basically, I find kvetching and yearning for some global system a waste of time. I am interested [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] topic. If you&#8217;re interested in the experiences and opinions I bring to the discussion, read this. Basically, I find kvetching and yearning for some global system a waste of time. I am interested [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Futurity: The Future of Science Reporting? &#171; Masticated Science</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/#comment-10552</link>
		<dc:creator>Futurity: The Future of Science Reporting? &#171; Masticated Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Globe eliminated it&#8217;s popular Health/science section, and other newspapers, even cable TV are fairing no better. Some scientists may not be unhappy with this turn of events, as attitudes ranging from ambivalent [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Globe eliminated it&#8217;s popular Health/science section, and other newspapers, even cable TV are fairing no better. Some scientists may not be unhappy with this turn of events, as attitudes ranging from ambivalent [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Science Reporting in Reverse: The New Ecosystem of Science News &#124; Science</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/#comment-10551</link>
		<dc:creator>Science Reporting in Reverse: The New Ecosystem of Science News &#124; Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 11:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] generalized ad hominem attacks about science reporting (as both NY Times and Discover contributor Carl Zimmer recently noted). The Nature piece quotes Bora Zivkovic, author of A Blog Around the Clock on [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] generalized ad hominem attacks about science reporting (as both NY Times and Discover contributor Carl Zimmer recently noted). The Nature piece quotes Bora Zivkovic, author of A Blog Around the Clock on [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Science Reporting in Reverse: The New Ecosystem of Science News &#124; The Faster Times</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/#comment-10550</link>
		<dc:creator>Science Reporting in Reverse: The New Ecosystem of Science News &#124; The Faster Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 06:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] generalized ad hominem attacks about science reporting (as both NY Times and Discover contributor Carl Zimmer recently noted). The Nature piece quotes Bora Zivkovic, author of A Blog Around the Clock on [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] generalized ad hominem attacks about science reporting (as both NY Times and Discover contributor Carl Zimmer recently noted). The Nature piece quotes Bora Zivkovic, author of A Blog Around the Clock on [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Holly Cumbers</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/#comment-10549</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly Cumbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does anyone know where i can get hold of more information about the differences between science articles in newspapers and blogs as I am doing it for a university project and have so far found the information really limited so far. Thanks really appreciate it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone know where i can get hold of more information about the differences between science articles in newspapers and blogs as I am doing it for a university project and have so far found the information really limited so far. Thanks really appreciate it</p>
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		<title>By: David Dobbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really nice job, Carl. As they say down at the ballpark, you got all of that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really nice job, Carl. As they say down at the ballpark, you got all of that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/#comment-10547</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would arge that there is a substantial difference between &#039;science journalists&#039; and &#039;journalists writing about science&#039;. It is the former who produce these kinds fo thoughtful, accurate pieces about a specific topic that involves research, travel, interviews and more for a reader who really wants to know what&#039;s going on. The latter tend to produce the quick &#039;n&#039; dirty stuff that chews up press reseases and makjes big obvious and damageing mistakes chasing a lowest common demonitaor readership with short, dramatic articles. Both sides are often at the mercy of editors and headline writers who can make good things bad (as per the recent New Scientist articel on reporting of autism).

There will always be a place for science journalism, but there is no harm in highlighting the (many) poor articles, and poor writing that sensationalise, distory and, yes, even lie about the evidence. Blogging can do a lot of good in that respect certainly, but I do want to read well crafted articles by science journlaists who can elucidate things I cannot get from even a good &#039;basic&#039; blog, and will have put in the time and effort and craft to produce something both interesting and informative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would arge that there is a substantial difference between &#8216;science journalists&#8217; and &#8216;journalists writing about science&#8217;. It is the former who produce these kinds fo thoughtful, accurate pieces about a specific topic that involves research, travel, interviews and more for a reader who really wants to know what&#8217;s going on. The latter tend to produce the quick &#8216;n&#8217; dirty stuff that chews up press reseases and makjes big obvious and damageing mistakes chasing a lowest common demonitaor readership with short, dramatic articles. Both sides are often at the mercy of editors and headline writers who can make good things bad (as per the recent New Scientist articel on reporting of autism).</p>
<p>There will always be a place for science journalism, but there is no harm in highlighting the (many) poor articles, and poor writing that sensationalise, distory and, yes, even lie about the evidence. Blogging can do a lot of good in that respect certainly, but I do want to read well crafted articles by science journlaists who can elucidate things I cannot get from even a good &#8216;basic&#8217; blog, and will have put in the time and effort and craft to produce something both interesting and informative.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/#comment-10546</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, Goldacre has a lot more to say about why British science coverage is so bad than just that one post. He wrote a whole book about it, and it&#039;s the perennial topic of his weekly column in the Guardian (from which the book was mostly drawn). There are many angles to it, but the central one is that in Britain most science news isn&#039;t reported by specialist science writers but by arts educated generalists, who don&#039;t understand statistics or how to read a peer-reviewed paper. Now he does have more criticisms aimed at science journalism that is written by specialists - he&#039;d prefer to see more scientists talking directly to readers, perhaps mediated by editors. But his main complaints are addresed at those who misreport science through ignorance or bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, Goldacre has a lot more to say about why British science coverage is so bad than just that one post. He wrote a whole book about it, and it&#8217;s the perennial topic of his weekly column in the Guardian (from which the book was mostly drawn). There are many angles to it, but the central one is that in Britain most science news isn&#8217;t reported by specialist science writers but by arts educated generalists, who don&#8217;t understand statistics or how to read a peer-reviewed paper. Now he does have more criticisms aimed at science journalism that is written by specialists &#8211; he&#8217;d prefer to see more scientists talking directly to readers, perhaps mediated by editors. But his main complaints are addresed at those who misreport science through ignorance or bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Henderson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/03/25/visions-of-the-crash/#comment-10545</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good piece. You make an especially perceptive comment about the tendency by some bloggers to characterise science journalism as a monolithic whole. There is good and bad -- and it&#039;s easy to cherry-pick the latter.

I thought I&#039;d add a brief comment as someone who was quoted in the Nature piece -- accurately but incompletely -- admitting to the occasional use of press releases.

I&#039;m broadly in agreement that journalism by press release is a bad thing -- especially when it is *all* that a reporter or news outlet produces. However, they do have a place, and it isn&#039;t always unjustified to rely occasionally on well-written releases as a short-cut.

The reason is that they free up so much more time to spend on other things. If I were to report everything with the thoroughness I would like, I would need a 20-day week -- not least because of editors&#039; demands for coverage of stories I don&#039;t particularly rate, and their tendency to want to cover themselves in case something that&#039;s heavily done elsewhere is missed. Deadlines can also be extremely tight -- especially when reporting for a UK newspaper on papers with West Coast authors. That&#039;s an 8 hour time change, leaving little or no opportunity to speak to a scientist on the same day.

By using a good press release in these circumstances (backed up at least by reading the published paper, and usually with a call to the lead author too), it becomes possible to get them out of the way quickly and accurately (if with little added value). That means I still have time to concentrate on the core of the job -- chasing down exclusives, writing explanatory pieces that really add value, and reporting fully and forensically on the items that really matter. If used properly and selectively, good press releases can help a conscientious reporter who wants to break stories and write original material to do the job.

It&#039;s too simplistic to see every press-release rewrite as the same. If it&#039;s all that people do, it&#039;s a fair cop. But if the reporter in question is also producing a lot of good original work, it&#039;s a different matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good piece. You make an especially perceptive comment about the tendency by some bloggers to characterise science journalism as a monolithic whole. There is good and bad &#8212; and it&#8217;s easy to cherry-pick the latter.</p>
<p>I thought I&#8217;d add a brief comment as someone who was quoted in the Nature piece &#8212; accurately but incompletely &#8212; admitting to the occasional use of press releases.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m broadly in agreement that journalism by press release is a bad thing &#8212; especially when it is *all* that a reporter or news outlet produces. However, they do have a place, and it isn&#8217;t always unjustified to rely occasionally on well-written releases as a short-cut.</p>
<p>The reason is that they free up so much more time to spend on other things. If I were to report everything with the thoroughness I would like, I would need a 20-day week &#8212; not least because of editors&#8217; demands for coverage of stories I don&#8217;t particularly rate, and their tendency to want to cover themselves in case something that&#8217;s heavily done elsewhere is missed. Deadlines can also be extremely tight &#8212; especially when reporting for a UK newspaper on papers with West Coast authors. That&#8217;s an 8 hour time change, leaving little or no opportunity to speak to a scientist on the same day.</p>
<p>By using a good press release in these circumstances (backed up at least by reading the published paper, and usually with a call to the lead author too), it becomes possible to get them out of the way quickly and accurately (if with little added value). That means I still have time to concentrate on the core of the job &#8212; chasing down exclusives, writing explanatory pieces that really add value, and reporting fully and forensically on the items that really matter. If used properly and selectively, good press releases can help a conscientious reporter who wants to break stories and write original material to do the job.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too simplistic to see every press-release rewrite as the same. If it&#8217;s all that people do, it&#8217;s a fair cop. But if the reporter in question is also producing a lot of good original work, it&#8217;s a different matter.</p>
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