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	<title>Comments on: A Request For The Design Hive Mind: Vote For A Tangled Bank Book Cover</title>
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		<title>By: Pictures From A Proud Book Papa &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pictures From A Proud Book Papa &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a picture that I like for two reasons. One is the way it shows off Carl Buell&#8217;s lovely (and crowd-critiqued) cover. The other is the way it illustrates the book&#8217;s far-less-than-a-doorstop mass, which [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a picture that I like for two reasons. One is the way it shows off Carl Buell&#8217;s lovely (and crowd-critiqued) cover. The other is the way it illustrates the book&#8217;s far-less-than-a-doorstop mass, which [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Tangled Bank: &#8220;The Best&#8221;&#8211;E.O. Wilson &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Tangled Bank: &#8220;The Best&#8221;&#8211;E.O. Wilson &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by the way, that is the final cover. Thanks to the 1018 people who cast votes on their favorite mock-ups, as well as to the many who didn&#8217;t like any of them and asked, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by the way, that is the final cover. Thanks to the 1018 people who cast votes on their favorite mock-ups, as well as to the many who didn&#8217;t like any of them and asked, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: neuralstatic</title>
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		<dc:creator>neuralstatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>love the tik image.  the wasp image is  badly exposed, not a quick read, and looks kind of amateurish, imho.  a great shot, but not a great b ook cover -- it doesn&#039;t say EVOLUTION like the other two.

the balance of tik is must much better than whale.  whale image looks like a 3rd graders story, and it just doesn&#039;t balance well with the text.

tikta1  says it all, with all elements working together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love the tik image.  the wasp image is  badly exposed, not a quick read, and looks kind of amateurish, imho.  a great shot, but not a great b ook cover &#8212; it doesn&#8217;t say EVOLUTION like the other two.</p>
<p>the balance of tik is must much better than whale.  whale image looks like a 3rd graders story, and it just doesn&#8217;t balance well with the text.</p>
<p>tikta1  says it all, with all elements working together.</p>
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		<title>By: ToSeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>ToSeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 17:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t say that any of them blow me away. The wasp ones are lovely but don&#039;t make as much of a statement about evolution as showing an extinct creature on the cover. So I went with T2 (and am apparently in a tiny minority).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say that any of them blow me away. The wasp ones are lovely but don&#8217;t make as much of a statement about evolution as showing an extinct creature on the cover. So I went with T2 (and am apparently in a tiny minority).</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 15:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking from a design perspecitive, my problem with the whale images is that they&#039;re so good as stand-alone art that they draw all attention away from the book title and credits.  The cover just isn&#039;t balanced, although I&#039;d certainly pick that image of all 3 to hang on the wall.

Wasp1 is clean, balanced, and works well with the title, as well as capturing the concept of &quot;tangled bank&quot; perhaps a bit better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking from a design perspecitive, my problem with the whale images is that they&#8217;re so good as stand-alone art that they draw all attention away from the book title and credits.  The cover just isn&#8217;t balanced, although I&#8217;d certainly pick that image of all 3 to hang on the wall.</p>
<p>Wasp1 is clean, balanced, and works well with the title, as well as capturing the concept of &#8220;tangled bank&#8221; perhaps a bit better.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 07:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would choose Whale 1, but I would change the illustration.

More contrast. More use of the available range of values.

Brighter glints at the surface. Maybe some light streaking through those glints.

Darker darks in the water, especially down below.

Maybe some focused light &#039;caustics&#039; wrapping down from the tops of the creatures.

Some sense of churn or trail or at least slight air exhalation to impart direction and speed cues.

An even bigger mouth on the left about to eat the whale thing. (Okay - I was kidding about that last part)

:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would choose Whale 1, but I would change the illustration.</p>
<p>More contrast. More use of the available range of values.</p>
<p>Brighter glints at the surface. Maybe some light streaking through those glints.</p>
<p>Darker darks in the water, especially down below.</p>
<p>Maybe some focused light &#8216;caustics&#8217; wrapping down from the tops of the creatures.</p>
<p>Some sense of churn or trail or at least slight air exhalation to impart direction and speed cues.</p>
<p>An even bigger mouth on the left about to eat the whale thing. (Okay &#8211; I was kidding about that last part)</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Keep That Hive Mind Buzzing &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keep That Hive Mind Buzzing &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 04:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BioinfoTools</title>
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		<dc:creator>BioinfoTools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 00:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve intentionally not read other comments in writing this.

For the target audience, I&#039;d pick one of the first two, but with revised text placement and fonts choices.

Firstly, they are the only ones to have action. Although in principle the last does too, as you wrote, you wouldn&#039;t know unless you knew the story.

Secondly, Tiktaalik doesn&#039;t convey a sense of scale and may look a bit &quot;goofy&quot; to some. On the scale issue, I can&#039;t but help think some will confuse it with some kind of salamander or the like. (The third does a little better on that front.)

Thirdly, I think it&#039;s helpful for the picture of have depth if it is presenting living things in action. The first two and Tiktaalik3 qualify for that.

I do think the use of the placement of the text and choice of fonts (and colour) in the Whale ones needs attending to, though. Because of this my vote would be split over these two, without favouring either one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve intentionally not read other comments in writing this.</p>
<p>For the target audience, I&#8217;d pick one of the first two, but with revised text placement and fonts choices.</p>
<p>Firstly, they are the only ones to have action. Although in principle the last does too, as you wrote, you wouldn&#8217;t know unless you knew the story.</p>
<p>Secondly, Tiktaalik doesn&#8217;t convey a sense of scale and may look a bit &#8220;goofy&#8221; to some. On the scale issue, I can&#8217;t but help think some will confuse it with some kind of salamander or the like. (The third does a little better on that front.)</p>
<p>Thirdly, I think it&#8217;s helpful for the picture of have depth if it is presenting living things in action. The first two and Tiktaalik3 qualify for that.</p>
<p>I do think the use of the placement of the text and choice of fonts (and colour) in the Whale ones needs attending to, though. Because of this my vote would be split over these two, without favouring either one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Rana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 00:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d buy Whale1 (which I voted for) or Tiktaalik2 if I saw them sitting on the shelf or display in a bookstore.  The others say &quot;textbook&quot; to me.  

So the question is: which readers do you want to aim at:  students already enrolled in the class, who are expecting a textbook, and who have to buy it in any case; or people outside the classroom who might be intrigued by it enough to buy it.  

I&#039;d aim at the latter group, myself, both because it doesn&#039;t hurt to cast the nets wide, and because it might startle students expecting something more textbooky (read, expensive and boring).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d buy Whale1 (which I voted for) or Tiktaalik2 if I saw them sitting on the shelf or display in a bookstore.  The others say &#8220;textbook&#8221; to me.  </p>
<p>So the question is: which readers do you want to aim at:  students already enrolled in the class, who are expecting a textbook, and who have to buy it in any case; or people outside the classroom who might be intrigued by it enough to buy it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d aim at the latter group, myself, both because it doesn&#8217;t hurt to cast the nets wide, and because it might startle students expecting something more textbooky (read, expensive and boring).</p>
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		<title>By: Glendon Mellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glendon Mellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 00:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Buell, your Tiktaalik and whale are not dated in my opinion.  I found that comment especially ironic considering your technique. 

I voted Tiktaalik #3.  It has some other creatures in it, it has a light source in it, and draws my eye to the shapes behind the interesting specimen on the front.  I am not crazy about the fonts though. Too bold, not enticing. 

Tiktaalik is &lt;b&gt;it&lt;/b&gt; man.  Who care if it&#039;s one Shubin&#039;s book too?  Tiktaalik is cool enough for two books and the images -while both excellent (Shubin&#039;s was by Kalliopi Monoyios, I think?)- are completely different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Buell, your Tiktaalik and whale are not dated in my opinion.  I found that comment especially ironic considering your technique. </p>
<p>I voted Tiktaalik #3.  It has some other creatures in it, it has a light source in it, and draws my eye to the shapes behind the interesting specimen on the front.  I am not crazy about the fonts though. Too bold, not enticing. </p>
<p>Tiktaalik is <b>it</b> man.  Who care if it&#8217;s one Shubin&#8217;s book too?  Tiktaalik is cool enough for two books and the images -while both excellent (Shubin&#8217;s was by Kalliopi Monoyios, I think?)- are completely different.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hawks</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hawks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 23:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Carl -- 

I agree with Buell -- none of the images really captures the intended diversity. But I will say that the final one (wasp 3) is the only one with a web-friendly font and a CSS color scheme. If you&#039;re thinking bloggily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Carl &#8212; </p>
<p>I agree with Buell &#8212; none of the images really captures the intended diversity. But I will say that the final one (wasp 3) is the only one with a web-friendly font and a CSS color scheme. If you&#8217;re thinking bloggily.</p>
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		<title>By: Leenibus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leenibus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 23:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the visible detail of Tiktaalik 3, and voted ofr it, but in truth but it is spoiled by the heavy obtrusive font in the main title.  Any way to replace it with the font in Tiktaalik 2 (but no yellow)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the visible detail of Tiktaalik 3, and voted ofr it, but in truth but it is spoiled by the heavy obtrusive font in the main title.  Any way to replace it with the font in Tiktaalik 2 (but no yellow)?</p>
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