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	<title>Comments on: Does Darwinius Exist?</title>
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	<description>A blog about life, past and future. Written by DISCOVER contributing editor and columnist Carl Zimmer.</description>
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		<title>By: Problems with advanced publication &#171; Dave Hone&#039;s Archosaur Musings</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-55634</link>
		<dc:creator>Problems with advanced publication &#171; Dave Hone&#039;s Archosaur Musings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 08:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not properly published. The ICZN still require paper copies of papers to make names valid (see the PLoS One discussions of recent years). While I didn’t publish in an online only open-source journal, so far there are no paper copies [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not properly published. The ICZN still require paper copies of papers to make names valid (see the PLoS One discussions of recent years). While I didn’t publish in an online only open-source journal, so far there are no paper copies [...]</p>
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		<title>By: I kill children, can hardly wait for yours… &#171; microecos</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-29308</link>
		<dc:creator>I kill children, can hardly wait for yours… &#171; microecos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] count at valid descriptions to establish a new name.  Following a lesson learned during the Darwinius debacle, PLoS is selling a limited run of print copies of the paper: $10 a pop if you want to invest [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] count at valid descriptions to establish a new name.  Following a lesson learned during the Darwinius debacle, PLoS is selling a limited run of print copies of the paper: $10 a pop if you want to invest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thornhill dentist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-27104</link>
		<dc:creator>Thornhill dentist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As interesting as fossil finds are to science geeks – and to much of the public as well – what sets this episode apart from the norm is the extent of machinations involved to hype this discovery before the public. And also, there’s the underlying question of whether such publicity-mongering is good or bad for science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As interesting as fossil finds are to science geeks – and to much of the public as well – what sets this episode apart from the norm is the extent of machinations involved to hype this discovery before the public. And also, there’s the underlying question of whether such publicity-mongering is good or bad for science?</p>
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		<title>By: Ida Adapoid &#171; A Primate of Modern Aspect</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18802</link>
		<dc:creator>Ida Adapoid &#171; A Primate of Modern Aspect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that my little corner of science had caused quite a stir- and I missed it!  Laelaps, Pharyngula, The Loom, and many others have written excellent posts on little Ida, which I encourage everyone to go read, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that my little corner of science had caused quite a stir- and I missed it!  Laelaps, Pharyngula, The Loom, and many others have written excellent posts on little Ida, which I encourage everyone to go read, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: YerbilimleriEnglish &#187; Darwinius Kerfuffle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18626</link>
		<dc:creator>YerbilimleriEnglish &#187; Darwinius Kerfuffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 20:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and has 0 Comments so far. The ridiculous hype surrounding the description of Darwinius masillae (if that is your real name) has overshadowed the true scientific importance of the discovery of an early (~47Mya) and complete [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and has 0 Comments so far. The ridiculous hype surrounding the description of Darwinius masillae (if that is your real name) has overshadowed the true scientific importance of the discovery of an early (~47Mya) and complete [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pyle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18582</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Pyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 03:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that folks have mostly moved on from this particular blog post, but before I move on myself I just want to say that I agree completely with Paul van Rijckevorsel&#039;s parenthetical at the end of his Comment #64.  After posting my comment (to which he refers), I came to the same conclusion myself, and therefore recommended to Peter Binfield that he add the explanatory note at the end, instead of simply changing the publication date.  I think it&#039;s important to include the publication date of the paper copy -- just to formally establish the date of availability; but I agree that it&#039;s best done within the appropriate context -- as was actually done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that folks have mostly moved on from this particular blog post, but before I move on myself I just want to say that I agree completely with Paul van Rijckevorsel&#8217;s parenthetical at the end of his Comment #64.  After posting my comment (to which he refers), I came to the same conclusion myself, and therefore recommended to Peter Binfield that he add the explanatory note at the end, instead of simply changing the publication date.  I think it&#8217;s important to include the publication date of the paper copy &#8212; just to formally establish the date of availability; but I agree that it&#8217;s best done within the appropriate context &#8212; as was actually done.</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly PLoS Blog and Media Round-up &#171; everyONE &#8211; the PLoS ONE community blog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18566</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly PLoS Blog and Media Round-up &#171; everyONE &#8211; the PLoS ONE community blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 23:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] scientific name Darwinius masillae, but that was quickly cleared up &#8211; see the discussions at: The Loom, Fish matters, Lancelet, Why Evolution Is True, Chinleana, Chinleana, DinoGoss, The Loom, The Loom, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] scientific name Darwinius masillae, but that was quickly cleared up &#8211; see the discussions at: The Loom, Fish matters, Lancelet, Why Evolution Is True, Chinleana, Chinleana, DinoGoss, The Loom, The Loom, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul van Rijckevorsel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18468</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul van Rijckevorsel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 07:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that in the above there is a very good illustration of the great conceptual divide between the nomenclatural universe and the &#039;real&#039;world, where it says:

&quot;In the past, PLoS has gone to great lengths to ensure that taxanomic papers published in PLoS One meet the ICZN standards. Last year PLoS One published a paper describing a revision of several ant genera.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0001787
Cognizant of the ICZN standards, PLoS One ensured that print copies of the article were deposited in appropriate libraries. This was described explicitly in the paper.&quot;

However, from an ICZN-nomenclatural perspective this is quite ambivalent. The actual ant-publication says: &quot;In accordance with section 8.6 of the ICZN&#039;s International Code of Zoological Nomenclature, we have deposited copies of this article at the following five publicly accessible libraries: [...]&quot; The statement in the article could be quite allright, if (and only if) these copies are CD&#039;s, DVD&#039;s, etc. However, if these copies are paper printouts, it is nonsense, as Art. 8.6 only deals with &quot;[...] a work produced after 1999 by a method other than printing on paper&quot;. On the face of it, judging only by the PLos ONE-paper, it looks in order, as it is not made clear that the &quot;copies&quot; are not the required CD&#039;s, DVD&#039;s, etc, so a reviewer might not catch this, nor would a reader, as he would suppose that the names were published on the 5 CD&#039;s, DVD&#039;s, etc that were deposited. However, apparently the reader would be wrong in his assumption: apparently these ant names were published in the paper printouts sent to the libraries, and the number of five libraries is an arbitrary choice, where the Code requires &quot;numerous identical and durable copies&quot;, that were &quot;simultaneously obtainable&quot;. Anyway, there is nothing &quot;explicit&quot; about it; the reader has to enquire further to find out what exactly did happen and how and where these names were actually published.

Note that if these ants were plants (with botanical names), this procedure of sending out paper printouts to &quot;botanical institutions with libraries accessible to botanists&quot; would work, while sending out CD&#039;s, DVD&#039;s, etc would not. Here too, it would not be required to specify this in the paper itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that in the above there is a very good illustration of the great conceptual divide between the nomenclatural universe and the &#8216;real&#8217;world, where it says:</p>
<p>&#8220;In the past, PLoS has gone to great lengths to ensure that taxanomic papers published in PLoS One meet the ICZN standards. Last year PLoS One published a paper describing a revision of several ant genera.<br />
<a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0001787" rel="nofollow">http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0001787</a><br />
Cognizant of the ICZN standards, PLoS One ensured that print copies of the article were deposited in appropriate libraries. This was described explicitly in the paper.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, from an ICZN-nomenclatural perspective this is quite ambivalent. The actual ant-publication says: &#8220;In accordance with section 8.6 of the ICZN&#8217;s International Code of Zoological Nomenclature, we have deposited copies of this article at the following five publicly accessible libraries: [...]&#8221; The statement in the article could be quite allright, if (and only if) these copies are CD&#8217;s, DVD&#8217;s, etc. However, if these copies are paper printouts, it is nonsense, as Art. 8.6 only deals with &#8220;[...] a work produced after 1999 by a method other than printing on paper&#8221;. On the face of it, judging only by the PLos ONE-paper, it looks in order, as it is not made clear that the &#8220;copies&#8221; are not the required CD&#8217;s, DVD&#8217;s, etc, so a reviewer might not catch this, nor would a reader, as he would suppose that the names were published on the 5 CD&#8217;s, DVD&#8217;s, etc that were deposited. However, apparently the reader would be wrong in his assumption: apparently these ant names were published in the paper printouts sent to the libraries, and the number of five libraries is an arbitrary choice, where the Code requires &#8220;numerous identical and durable copies&#8221;, that were &#8220;simultaneously obtainable&#8221;. Anyway, there is nothing &#8220;explicit&#8221; about it; the reader has to enquire further to find out what exactly did happen and how and where these names were actually published.</p>
<p>Note that if these ants were plants (with botanical names), this procedure of sending out paper printouts to &#8220;botanical institutions with libraries accessible to botanists&#8221; would work, while sending out CD&#8217;s, DVD&#8217;s, etc would not. Here too, it would not be required to specify this in the paper itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul van Rijckevorsel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18466</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul van Rijckevorsel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 06:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I agree with better than 99% of what Richard Pyle has said (good to see the proper authorities stepping up!), there are a few points worth making:
1) It is a great relief to see that nobody stepped in to scoop the name. To me, the course followed by PLoS ONE looked uncomfortably much like a deliberate challenge to all comers to come and rob them. This did not happen; a good sign, a reason for hope!
2) The main point hammered out above is that there is a separate nomenclatural universe, with its own perspective on what does and does not exist. However, the distinction between the existence of publications and the existence of names is not the only distinction to be made. All the above bears on animal names (zoological names). In another location Carl Zimmer says: &quot;The fact that taxonomists share a set of rules, no matter how intricate, was one of the great advances in the history of biology.&quot; That, emphatically, is not true (unless one takes the position that taxonomy is animal-taxonomy-only). Taxonomists do not share a set of rules. Instead zoologists share a set of rules, while botanists share another set of rules, and bacteriologists (studying prokaryotes) share a third of rules, etc. These sets of rules govern separate universes, each of them huge, and complex as well as fragile. These parallel universes show some overlap and are more or less comparable, but they are separate: there is a great divide in terminology and detail between these universes, and it is quite dangerous for somebody at home in one universe to say something about another universe. But indeed the world should count itself fortunate that each of these sets of rules (each ruling its own universe) apply the world over, and that there are not more of them (it has been touch-and-go). 

As what would work for a zoological name would not necessarily work for a botanical name (and vice versa), PLoS ONE&#039;s adopting a policy that meets with the requirements of the animal Code (the ICZN) is not guaranteed to be sufficient for the future. Nor is it guaranteed that something that will work now will keep working in the future. These rulebooks are adjusted from time to time, sometimes because of incidents like this one.

(BTW: The one point that I really disagree on with Richard Pyle was his suggestion to alter the pdf to change the date. I am much happier with the solution actually adopted, namely to add an explanatory footer.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I agree with better than 99% of what Richard Pyle has said (good to see the proper authorities stepping up!), there are a few points worth making:<br />
1) It is a great relief to see that nobody stepped in to scoop the name. To me, the course followed by PLoS ONE looked uncomfortably much like a deliberate challenge to all comers to come and rob them. This did not happen; a good sign, a reason for hope!<br />
2) The main point hammered out above is that there is a separate nomenclatural universe, with its own perspective on what does and does not exist. However, the distinction between the existence of publications and the existence of names is not the only distinction to be made. All the above bears on animal names (zoological names). In another location Carl Zimmer says: &#8220;The fact that taxonomists share a set of rules, no matter how intricate, was one of the great advances in the history of biology.&#8221; That, emphatically, is not true (unless one takes the position that taxonomy is animal-taxonomy-only). Taxonomists do not share a set of rules. Instead zoologists share a set of rules, while botanists share another set of rules, and bacteriologists (studying prokaryotes) share a third of rules, etc. These sets of rules govern separate universes, each of them huge, and complex as well as fragile. These parallel universes show some overlap and are more or less comparable, but they are separate: there is a great divide in terminology and detail between these universes, and it is quite dangerous for somebody at home in one universe to say something about another universe. But indeed the world should count itself fortunate that each of these sets of rules (each ruling its own universe) apply the world over, and that there are not more of them (it has been touch-and-go). </p>
<p>As what would work for a zoological name would not necessarily work for a botanical name (and vice versa), PLoS ONE&#8217;s adopting a policy that meets with the requirements of the animal Code (the ICZN) is not guaranteed to be sufficient for the future. Nor is it guaranteed that something that will work now will keep working in the future. These rulebooks are adjusted from time to time, sometimes because of incidents like this one.</p>
<p>(BTW: The one point that I really disagree on with Richard Pyle was his suggestion to alter the pdf to change the date. I am much happier with the solution actually adopted, namely to add an explanatory footer.)</p>
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		<title>By: Darwinius: Named at Last! &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18436</link>
		<dc:creator>Darwinius: Named at Last! &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 00:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I posted yesterday, some commenters on the Loom pointed out that, amidst all the hullaballoo over the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Pyle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18435</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Pyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a minor clarification of the penultimate paragraph in Peter Binfield&#039;s paragraph in comment #61 above: 

The pending proposed Amendment to the ICZN Code for allowing electronic forms of publication (see: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iczn.org/electronic_publication.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.iczn.org/electronic_publication.html&lt;/a&gt;) is currently in review, as is required for all such major amendments to the Code.  This process will likely be completed within the next year, and if adopted, the amendment should go into effect at that time.

What will require &quot;a few years&quot; to be published is the next (Fifth) Edition of the ICZN Code (see: &lt;a href=&quot;http://iczn.ansp.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://iczn.ansp.org/&lt;/a&gt;). Presumably, this Edition of the Code will also support the electronic publication of nomenclatural acts (especially if the proposed amendment to the existing 4th Edition of the Code is approved).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a minor clarification of the penultimate paragraph in Peter Binfield&#8217;s paragraph in comment #61 above: </p>
<p>The pending proposed Amendment to the ICZN Code for allowing electronic forms of publication (see: <a href="http://www.iczn.org/electronic_publication.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.iczn.org/electronic_publication.html</a>) is currently in review, as is required for all such major amendments to the Code.  This process will likely be completed within the next year, and if adopted, the amendment should go into effect at that time.</p>
<p>What will require &#8220;a few years&#8221; to be published is the next (Fifth) Edition of the ICZN Code (see: <a href="http://iczn.ansp.org/" rel="nofollow">http://iczn.ansp.org/</a>). Presumably, this Edition of the Code will also support the electronic publication of nomenclatural acts (especially if the proposed amendment to the existing 4th Edition of the Code is approved).</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Binfield</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18433</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Binfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 22:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the Managing Editor of PLoS ONE. Regarding the requirements for making the name Darwinius masillae nomenclaturally available in the eyes of the ICZN, we have been in discussion with Ellinor Michel (the ICZN Executive Secretary) and have additionally consultated with Richard L. Pyle (an ICZN Commissioner). They have advised us that by doing the following, we have met the ICZN code and therefore the name should be considered nomenclaturally available.

A print-run of fifty copies of the paper has been created on May 21st. The top sheet of each copy has the following text appended to the footer: “This document was produced by a method that assures numerous identical &amp; durable copies, and those copies were simultaneously obtainable for the purpose of providing a public and permanent scientific record, in accordance with Article 8.1 of the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature. Date of publication: 21st May 2009”

Apart from this wording, these copies are identical to the electronic version that is freely available from our web site at: http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObjectAttachment.action?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0005723&amp;representation=PDF 

These copies are now obtainable from our offices at 185 Berry Street, Suite 3100, San Francisco, CA 94107, USA. Anyone who requests a copy, and tenders a fee of $10 (towards the cost of postage and printing) will receive a copy. 

Having made the printed copies available, we have been told by the individuals named above that we have conformed with the relevant ICZN codes. They have also indicated that the proposed resolution is an interim step, which should meet the requirements of the Code until a formal amendment is published within the next few years.

We are very grateful to the ICZN for their actions to resolve this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the Managing Editor of PLoS ONE. Regarding the requirements for making the name Darwinius masillae nomenclaturally available in the eyes of the ICZN, we have been in discussion with Ellinor Michel (the ICZN Executive Secretary) and have additionally consultated with Richard L. Pyle (an ICZN Commissioner). They have advised us that by doing the following, we have met the ICZN code and therefore the name should be considered nomenclaturally available.</p>
<p>A print-run of fifty copies of the paper has been created on May 21st. The top sheet of each copy has the following text appended to the footer: “This document was produced by a method that assures numerous identical &#038; durable copies, and those copies were simultaneously obtainable for the purpose of providing a public and permanent scientific record, in accordance with Article 8.1 of the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature. Date of publication: 21st May 2009”</p>
<p>Apart from this wording, these copies are identical to the electronic version that is freely available from our web site at: <a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObjectAttachment.action?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0005723&#038;representation=PDF" rel="nofollow">http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObjectAttachment.action?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0005723&#038;representation=PDF</a> </p>
<p>These copies are now obtainable from our offices at 185 Berry Street, Suite 3100, San Francisco, CA 94107, USA. Anyone who requests a copy, and tenders a fee of $10 (towards the cost of postage and printing) will receive a copy. </p>
<p>Having made the printed copies available, we have been told by the individuals named above that we have conformed with the relevant ICZN codes. They have also indicated that the proposed resolution is an interim step, which should meet the requirements of the Code until a formal amendment is published within the next few years.</p>
<p>We are very grateful to the ICZN for their actions to resolve this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: David Marjanović</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18432</link>
		<dc:creator>David Marjanović</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 22:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;and none of us really wants this thing to be called Rioarribasimia.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m still ROTFL about this, but it&#039;s not actually funny at all...

And it gets still worse. Doesn&#039;t everything that applies to &lt;i&gt;Darwinius&lt;/i&gt; also apply to &lt;i&gt;Maiacetus&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and none of us really wants this thing to be called Rioarribasimia.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m still ROTFL about this, but it&#8217;s not actually funny at all&#8230;</p>
<p>And it gets still worse. Doesn&#8217;t everything that applies to <i>Darwinius</i> also apply to <i>Maiacetus</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: Darwinius: what&#8217;s at issue? &#171; Why Evolution Is True</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darwinius: what&#8217;s at issue? &#171; Why Evolution Is True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (rather than the world), but it&#8217;s attracted the most attention. See the posts here at WEIT, the Loom (and here), the Lancelet, and Laelaps, including the ensuing commentary by, among others, Henry [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (rather than the world), but it&#8217;s attracted the most attention. See the posts here at WEIT, the Loom (and here), the Lancelet, and Laelaps, including the ensuing commentary by, among others, Henry [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Mayer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18428</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Mayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve posted a longish piece on Darwinius over at WEIT, which see for the details. The bottom line as I see it: Darwinius was not published in Plosone; it might have been published in one of the newspaper articles, but I hope not. I&#039;ve not yet read Carl&#039;s update # 5, so I&#039;m anxious to see what the ICZN&#039;s Executive Secretary has to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve posted a longish piece on Darwinius over at WEIT, which see for the details. The bottom line as I see it: Darwinius was not published in Plosone; it might have been published in one of the newspaper articles, but I hope not. I&#8217;ve not yet read Carl&#8217;s update # 5, so I&#8217;m anxious to see what the ICZN&#8217;s Executive Secretary has to say.</p>
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		<title>By: J Pardo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18426</link>
		<dc:creator>J Pardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the typical cases, it is obvious which paper is a citable taxonomic authority.  In the PLoS case, it is not.  This paper as it stands is a citable paper EXCEPT for the purposes of taxonomic authority.  This is a dreadful oversight that suggests a major editorial screwup.  And now it looks like that screwup may have occurred due to external deadlines set by mass media outlets.

This is fishy.  Stop making excuses and start convincing us, the scientific community, that:

A) Your editorial board is going to develop policy that will prevent such things from happening again

B) Your editorial board is going to consider your core principles of &quot;Excellence&quot; and &quot;Scientific Integrity&quot; to be of equal importance as &quot;Open Access&quot; and &quot;Science as a Public Resource.&quot;

C) Your editorial board recognizes that mistakes of this caliber reflect not only on the authors of the paper, but also on the editorial practices of the journal.  This is not simply an authorial mistake; it is an editorial mistake as well.

D) Scientists who choose to publish their work in PLoS will get the editorial attention that their work deserves.  Our research and our ideas reflect on you, and your journal reflects on us.  As scientists, we have a responsibility to ensure that our work is as rigorous as possible, as accurate as possible, and as clearly communicated as possible.  As editors, it is your responsibility to ensure that our work is clear, is rigorous, and adheres to the standards of our community.  When these responsibilities are met, we both profit from it; your journal gains prestige and our work helps us contribute to our community.  When they are not met, both the journal and the authors look sloppy and amateurish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the typical cases, it is obvious which paper is a citable taxonomic authority.  In the PLoS case, it is not.  This paper as it stands is a citable paper EXCEPT for the purposes of taxonomic authority.  This is a dreadful oversight that suggests a major editorial screwup.  And now it looks like that screwup may have occurred due to external deadlines set by mass media outlets.</p>
<p>This is fishy.  Stop making excuses and start convincing us, the scientific community, that:</p>
<p>A) Your editorial board is going to develop policy that will prevent such things from happening again</p>
<p>B) Your editorial board is going to consider your core principles of &#8220;Excellence&#8221; and &#8220;Scientific Integrity&#8221; to be of equal importance as &#8220;Open Access&#8221; and &#8220;Science as a Public Resource.&#8221;</p>
<p>C) Your editorial board recognizes that mistakes of this caliber reflect not only on the authors of the paper, but also on the editorial practices of the journal.  This is not simply an authorial mistake; it is an editorial mistake as well.</p>
<p>D) Scientists who choose to publish their work in PLoS will get the editorial attention that their work deserves.  Our research and our ideas reflect on you, and your journal reflects on us.  As scientists, we have a responsibility to ensure that our work is as rigorous as possible, as accurate as possible, and as clearly communicated as possible.  As editors, it is your responsibility to ensure that our work is clear, is rigorous, and adheres to the standards of our community.  When these responsibilities are met, we both profit from it; your journal gains prestige and our work helps us contribute to our community.  When they are not met, both the journal and the authors look sloppy and amateurish.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pyle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18425</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Pyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 20:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the topic of duplicate publications and such, I would like to make a point.  Consider the following examples:

1) A new species description published in Nature, for which a PDF copy is distributed online weeks prior to the date when the paper-printed copies are obtainable.

2) A new species description published in Zootaxa, for which a PDF copy is distributed concurrently with the date when the paper-printed issues are obtainable.

3) A new species description published in PLoS, originally with the intent of existing only in its electronic form(s), but then printed as numerous identical copies a week 

later, which are made obtainable free of charge or by purchase.

4) A new species description created as an MS Word file and sent around to the author&#039;s colleagues for informal review, which is later printed as numerous identical copies on 

the author&#039;s laser printer in his home office, which he intends for the permanent scientific record and is perfectly willing to mail out copies to anyone who asks for it.

From the perspective of a scientist, these may all seem very different.

From the perspective of the Code, they are essentially indistinguishable.  In all cases, the electronic version of the publication is irrelevant.  It matters not whether the 

electronic version is identical to the paper-printed version, slightly changed, or completely different.  Nor does it matter whether the electronic version was distributed 

prior to, or after the paper-based version.  From the perspective of the Code, it simply does not exist. All that matters (in the context of the current conversation) is 

whether a document was issued for the purpose of providing a public and permanent scientific record, was produced in an edition containing simultaneously obtainable copies by a 

method that assures numerous identical and durable copies, and that such copies are obtainable, when first issued, free of charge or by purchase.  The date of availability is 

the date on which the numerous identical paper copies were simultaneously obtainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the topic of duplicate publications and such, I would like to make a point.  Consider the following examples:</p>
<p>1) A new species description published in Nature, for which a PDF copy is distributed online weeks prior to the date when the paper-printed copies are obtainable.</p>
<p>2) A new species description published in Zootaxa, for which a PDF copy is distributed concurrently with the date when the paper-printed issues are obtainable.</p>
<p>3) A new species description published in PLoS, originally with the intent of existing only in its electronic form(s), but then printed as numerous identical copies a week </p>
<p>later, which are made obtainable free of charge or by purchase.</p>
<p>4) A new species description created as an MS Word file and sent around to the author&#8217;s colleagues for informal review, which is later printed as numerous identical copies on </p>
<p>the author&#8217;s laser printer in his home office, which he intends for the permanent scientific record and is perfectly willing to mail out copies to anyone who asks for it.</p>
<p>From the perspective of a scientist, these may all seem very different.</p>
<p>From the perspective of the Code, they are essentially indistinguishable.  In all cases, the electronic version of the publication is irrelevant.  It matters not whether the </p>
<p>electronic version is identical to the paper-printed version, slightly changed, or completely different.  Nor does it matter whether the electronic version was distributed </p>
<p>prior to, or after the paper-based version.  From the perspective of the Code, it simply does not exist. All that matters (in the context of the current conversation) is </p>
<p>whether a document was issued for the purpose of providing a public and permanent scientific record, was produced in an edition containing simultaneously obtainable copies by a </p>
<p>method that assures numerous identical and durable copies, and that such copies are obtainable, when first issued, free of charge or by purchase.  The date of availability is </p>
<p>the date on which the numerous identical paper copies were simultaneously obtainable.</p>
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		<title>By: J Pardo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18423</link>
		<dc:creator>J Pardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 20:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would think that a problem this vast would have been caught in review or in sound editorial practices.  Perhaps right now the issue is that the PLoS experiment in open-access electronic publication has not had all the bugs worked out as of yet.  That&#039;s a pretty big buyer-beware for researchers (especially graduate students and young faculty) who are shopping around for a venue to publish noteworthy papers.  We can talk about responsibilities to the scientific community all we want, but if PLoS does not ensure that its publications carry weight in the scientific community, it simply won&#039;t attract higher-level publications at all.  I think acknowledging these bugs (such as this one) and formally modifying PLoS editorial practice to adhere to good publishing standards is key to the future of the journal and the electronic publication enterprise.  I have seen in this post several members of the PLoS editorial staff make excuses for what seems to me to be a major editorial oversight: a publication went to print without a very important piece of information about curation (in this case, curation of paper versions of the document, as opposed to curation of the specimen).  This is no less critical than if accession information about the specimen itself was not included in the paper.  

The alternatives are to believe that adherence to taxonomic standards and/or good peer-review and editorial practice are not priorities for the PLoS staff, which are not good alternatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would think that a problem this vast would have been caught in review or in sound editorial practices.  Perhaps right now the issue is that the PLoS experiment in open-access electronic publication has not had all the bugs worked out as of yet.  That&#8217;s a pretty big buyer-beware for researchers (especially graduate students and young faculty) who are shopping around for a venue to publish noteworthy papers.  We can talk about responsibilities to the scientific community all we want, but if PLoS does not ensure that its publications carry weight in the scientific community, it simply won&#8217;t attract higher-level publications at all.  I think acknowledging these bugs (such as this one) and formally modifying PLoS editorial practice to adhere to good publishing standards is key to the future of the journal and the electronic publication enterprise.  I have seen in this post several members of the PLoS editorial staff make excuses for what seems to me to be a major editorial oversight: a publication went to print without a very important piece of information about curation (in this case, curation of paper versions of the document, as opposed to curation of the specimen).  This is no less critical than if accession information about the specimen itself was not included in the paper.  </p>
<p>The alternatives are to believe that adherence to taxonomic standards and/or good peer-review and editorial practice are not priorities for the PLoS staff, which are not good alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pyle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18419</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Pyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 20:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellinor Michel (#45) has provided an official response from the ICZN.  Having followed this issue rather closely these past few days, I would like to offer a few more comments from the perspective of one Commissioner.

First of all, the comments about Article 8.6 (and associated requirements to distribute copies to libraries, mentions of such within the publication, etc.) is misdirected in this case.  Art. 8.6 applies only to publications on &quot;durable&quot; media other than paper.  It was intended to cover things such as CD-ROMs and the like.  Although PLoSONE attempted to conform to art 8.6 on a previous article describing new species (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0001787), no such attempt was made in the case of Darwinius, because no &quot;durable&quot; media was involved.  Thus, for the time being, we can ignore the implications of Art. 8.6.

The critical Code Article in this case is 8.1:

8.1. Criteria to be met. A work must satisfy the following criteria:

	8.1.1. it must be issued for the purpose of providing a public and permanent scientific record,

	8.1.2. it must be obtainable, when first issued, free of charge or by purchase, and

	8.1.3. it must have been produced in an edition containing simultaneously obtainable copies by a method that assures numerous identical and durable copies.


8.1.1 is probably safe to assume in the case of the PLoS article. And it probably excludes all the paper-printed media reports on the issue (as does Article 16.1).

8.1.2 and 8.1.3 are the ones that we should be focusing on.  Specifically:

1) Did PLoS create &quot;numerous&quot; (technically &gt;1) paper copies of the article (as they did for the ant article linked above)?

2) If so, were these paper copies &quot;simultaneously obtainable&quot;?

If the answer to both of these questions is &quot;Yes&quot;, then the name is available from those simultaneously obtainable paper copies (not from the online edition). As it happens, there is no requirement to distribute those paper copies to any libraries (or anyone else, for that matter) -- they need only be &quot;obtainable&quot;.  (The &quot;5 major publicly accessible libraries&quot; thing is only relevant to durable copies produced on something other than paper as per Art. 8.6, which as I said doesn&#039;t apply in this case.)

However, if the answer to either of the above questions is &quot;no&quot; (and I believe I have confirmation now that this is the case), then the name is not currently available.  It could be made available, at any time, by anyone, simply by producing &quot;numerous&quot; paper copies of a description (that also fulfills all the other requirements of the Code) and making those copies simultaneously obtainable.  This is where things get a bit dangerous for the authors of the PLoS article, in the sense that someone could &quot;scoop&quot; them on the name.

The good news is that this doesn&#039;t seem to have happened yet.  As stated above, we can safely eliminate all the newspaper articles and such -- even if they were printed on paper. The real danger, however, is that someone might intentionally and maliciously pre-empt the original authors by establishing their own name (or the same name -- doesn&#039;t matter) based on the same type specimen. This would be Michael Taylor&#039;s option 3, and I agree with him that this would be the WORST possible outcome -- particularly for the perpetrators of such unethical behavior themselves (assuming they value their reputations and careers).

In my mind, the solution is striaghtforward:  PLoS should print &quot;numerous&quot; paper copies of the original description, and then make them simultaneously obtainable.  In doing so, they would fulfill the requirements of the Code, and the names contained therein would become available as of the date on which the numerous paper copies were obtainable. In the ideal case, I think the paper copy should be an exact representation of the PDF, with one exception:  there ought to be a small change: the date following the word &quot;Published&quot; on page 1 should be the date on which the paper copies were made obtainable; not the date on which the PDF was released.  This last bit is certainly not rquired for Code compliance, but it would help mitigate future confusion by allowing the distinction between the two versions (PDF and paper), and stating the correct date of availablity (which is necessary for purposes of establishing priority under the Code).

In the near-term future, I think all of this fuss and confusion can be reduced or eliminated if journals that produce electronic publications that contain Code-goverend nomenclatural acts simply created &quot;numerous&quot; (technically 2 or more, but 50 is probably a better number) paper copies, and made those copies obtainable free of charge or by purchase on the same date that the PDF is released.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellinor Michel (#45) has provided an official response from the ICZN.  Having followed this issue rather closely these past few days, I would like to offer a few more comments from the perspective of one Commissioner.</p>
<p>First of all, the comments about Article 8.6 (and associated requirements to distribute copies to libraries, mentions of such within the publication, etc.) is misdirected in this case.  Art. 8.6 applies only to publications on &#8220;durable&#8221; media other than paper.  It was intended to cover things such as CD-ROMs and the like.  Although PLoSONE attempted to conform to art 8.6 on a previous article describing new species (<a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0001787" rel="nofollow">http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0001787</a>), no such attempt was made in the case of Darwinius, because no &#8220;durable&#8221; media was involved.  Thus, for the time being, we can ignore the implications of Art. 8.6.</p>
<p>The critical Code Article in this case is 8.1:</p>
<p>8.1. Criteria to be met. A work must satisfy the following criteria:</p>
<p>	8.1.1. it must be issued for the purpose of providing a public and permanent scientific record,</p>
<p>	8.1.2. it must be obtainable, when first issued, free of charge or by purchase, and</p>
<p>	8.1.3. it must have been produced in an edition containing simultaneously obtainable copies by a method that assures numerous identical and durable copies.</p>
<p>8.1.1 is probably safe to assume in the case of the PLoS article. And it probably excludes all the paper-printed media reports on the issue (as does Article 16.1).</p>
<p>8.1.2 and 8.1.3 are the ones that we should be focusing on.  Specifically:</p>
<p>1) Did PLoS create &#8220;numerous&#8221; (technically >1) paper copies of the article (as they did for the ant article linked above)?</p>
<p>2) If so, were these paper copies &#8220;simultaneously obtainable&#8221;?</p>
<p>If the answer to both of these questions is &#8220;Yes&#8221;, then the name is available from those simultaneously obtainable paper copies (not from the online edition). As it happens, there is no requirement to distribute those paper copies to any libraries (or anyone else, for that matter) &#8212; they need only be &#8220;obtainable&#8221;.  (The &#8220;5 major publicly accessible libraries&#8221; thing is only relevant to durable copies produced on something other than paper as per Art. 8.6, which as I said doesn&#8217;t apply in this case.)</p>
<p>However, if the answer to either of the above questions is &#8220;no&#8221; (and I believe I have confirmation now that this is the case), then the name is not currently available.  It could be made available, at any time, by anyone, simply by producing &#8220;numerous&#8221; paper copies of a description (that also fulfills all the other requirements of the Code) and making those copies simultaneously obtainable.  This is where things get a bit dangerous for the authors of the PLoS article, in the sense that someone could &#8220;scoop&#8221; them on the name.</p>
<p>The good news is that this doesn&#8217;t seem to have happened yet.  As stated above, we can safely eliminate all the newspaper articles and such &#8212; even if they were printed on paper. The real danger, however, is that someone might intentionally and maliciously pre-empt the original authors by establishing their own name (or the same name &#8212; doesn&#8217;t matter) based on the same type specimen. This would be Michael Taylor&#8217;s option 3, and I agree with him that this would be the WORST possible outcome &#8212; particularly for the perpetrators of such unethical behavior themselves (assuming they value their reputations and careers).</p>
<p>In my mind, the solution is striaghtforward:  PLoS should print &#8220;numerous&#8221; paper copies of the original description, and then make them simultaneously obtainable.  In doing so, they would fulfill the requirements of the Code, and the names contained therein would become available as of the date on which the numerous paper copies were obtainable. In the ideal case, I think the paper copy should be an exact representation of the PDF, with one exception:  there ought to be a small change: the date following the word &#8220;Published&#8221; on page 1 should be the date on which the paper copies were made obtainable; not the date on which the PDF was released.  This last bit is certainly not rquired for Code compliance, but it would help mitigate future confusion by allowing the distinction between the two versions (PDF and paper), and stating the correct date of availablity (which is necessary for purposes of establishing priority under the Code).</p>
<p>In the near-term future, I think all of this fuss and confusion can be reduced or eliminated if journals that produce electronic publications that contain Code-goverend nomenclatural acts simply created &#8220;numerous&#8221; (technically 2 or more, but 50 is probably a better number) paper copies, and made those copies obtainable free of charge or by purchase on the same date that the PDF is released.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul van Rijckevorsel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18409</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul van Rijckevorsel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@52. Yes, you are right. I let myself be led into a blind alley by the reactions already in place, which once again illustrates the dangers of responding immediately and reacting to what is there, instead of sitting back and thinking it through first.

It is really weird that  PlosONE did not give any thought to  establishing anything at a nomenclatural level, considering the size of the hype they organized. It is not a matter of overlooking a detail, but of just not caring at all. 

The reasoning involving Art 8.6 would hold up if there was a simultaneously produced CD or DVD. It would have been easy to provide (and mail out) CD&#039;s, DVD&#039;s or printouts, but instead there apparently never was anything at all. I apologize for fixing on an (irrelevant) detail and overlooking the obvious. I should know better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@52. Yes, you are right. I let myself be led into a blind alley by the reactions already in place, which once again illustrates the dangers of responding immediately and reacting to what is there, instead of sitting back and thinking it through first.</p>
<p>It is really weird that  PlosONE did not give any thought to  establishing anything at a nomenclatural level, considering the size of the hype they organized. It is not a matter of overlooking a detail, but of just not caring at all. </p>
<p>The reasoning involving Art 8.6 would hold up if there was a simultaneously produced CD or DVD. It would have been easy to provide (and mail out) CD&#8217;s, DVD&#8217;s or printouts, but instead there apparently never was anything at all. I apologize for fixing on an (irrelevant) detail and overlooking the obvious. I should know better.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurent</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18403</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I read the current ICZN, producing a new electronic paper is not an option at all.

What Art. 8.6 explains, is how a &quot;work produced by a method that does not employ printing on paper&quot; can become published in the sense of the Code. But Art. 9.8 also explicitly excludes &quot;text or illustrations distributed by means of electronic signals  (e.g. by means of the World Wide Web)&quot; from what can be (thus become) published work.

Art. 8.6 is entirely irrelevant to web-only journals as such. It applies only to works that are not printed on paper, but are nevertheless produced /physically/, using another method - e.g., as CD-ROMs. A web-based production can simply /never/ become published under the current Code, whatever you include in the text.

For the content of a web-only journal to become published under the Code, you must run a physical production in parallel to the web production. It is this physical production, and only it, that can become &quot;published&quot; - the web-based production itself remains technically &quot;unpublished&quot;. If this is done using a method that does not employ printed paper (e.g., the pdf on a series of identical CDs), then this physical production must satisfy 8.6. (But note that the required statement, as long as it is on the CD,  could be in a separate file, outside the main pdf.) If this is done on printed paper, then 8.6 does not apply at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I read the current ICZN, producing a new electronic paper is not an option at all.</p>
<p>What Art. 8.6 explains, is how a &#8220;work produced by a method that does not employ printing on paper&#8221; can become published in the sense of the Code. But Art. 9.8 also explicitly excludes &#8220;text or illustrations distributed by means of electronic signals  (e.g. by means of the World Wide Web)&#8221; from what can be (thus become) published work.</p>
<p>Art. 8.6 is entirely irrelevant to web-only journals as such. It applies only to works that are not printed on paper, but are nevertheless produced /physically/, using another method &#8211; e.g., as CD-ROMs. A web-based production can simply /never/ become published under the current Code, whatever you include in the text.</p>
<p>For the content of a web-only journal to become published under the Code, you must run a physical production in parallel to the web production. It is this physical production, and only it, that can become &#8220;published&#8221; &#8211; the web-based production itself remains technically &#8220;unpublished&#8221;. If this is done using a method that does not employ printed paper (e.g., the pdf on a series of identical CDs), then this physical production must satisfy 8.6. (But note that the required statement, as long as it is on the CD,  could be in a separate file, outside the main pdf.) If this is done on printed paper, then 8.6 does not apply at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Brazeau</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-2/#comment-18400</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Brazeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From an ethical standpoint, there do exist situations in which it is okay to correct and re-publish:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/factsheets/errata.html#corrected

I would think this article qualifies. So, indeed all may be okay if we go with this solution after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From an ethical standpoint, there do exist situations in which it is okay to correct and re-publish:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/factsheets/errata.html#corrected" rel="nofollow">http://www.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/factsheets/errata.html#corrected</a></p>
<p>I would think this article qualifies. So, indeed all may be okay if we go with this solution after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Martyniuk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-18399</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Martyniuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@43: The negative remarks you mention in the Nature article are not unique to the editors of Nature. They seem to be shared by every science blogger and commentator who has written on the subject. The fact is that the authors describing &quot;Ida&quot; asserted a phylogenetic hypothesis (that Ida is closer to anthropoids than to lemurs), used this point to deliberately orchestrate a media event, and yet did not actually test their hypothesis in the paper. Whether they&#039;re right or wrong remains to be seen, but in the mean time, it&#039;s irresponsible any way you slice it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@43: The negative remarks you mention in the Nature article are not unique to the editors of Nature. They seem to be shared by every science blogger and commentator who has written on the subject. The fact is that the authors describing &#8220;Ida&#8221; asserted a phylogenetic hypothesis (that Ida is closer to anthropoids than to lemurs), used this point to deliberately orchestrate a media event, and yet did not actually test their hypothesis in the paper. Whether they&#8217;re right or wrong remains to be seen, but in the mean time, it&#8217;s irresponsible any way you slice it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul van Rijckevorsel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-18398</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul van Rijckevorsel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@47: I would not know about the internal policy of PlosONE or the standards it has to live by.

Other solutions are:
1 the solution provided by Ellinor Michel: Print out the PlosONE Article in a way so that the print-out fulfills the requirements for publication. In that case the print-out is the work that counts, and that establishes the date of publication.
2. publish a new electronic paper that does conform to the requirements and that does not repeat the entire publication but only the nomenclaturally relevant material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@47: I would not know about the internal policy of PlosONE or the standards it has to live by.</p>
<p>Other solutions are:<br />
1 the solution provided by Ellinor Michel: Print out the PlosONE Article in a way so that the print-out fulfills the requirements for publication. In that case the print-out is the work that counts, and that establishes the date of publication.<br />
2. publish a new electronic paper that does conform to the requirements and that does not repeat the entire publication but only the nomenclaturally relevant material.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Brazeau</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/20/does-darwinius-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-18397</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Brazeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take my last comment back: this would be re-publication, not duplicate publication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take my last comment back: this would be re-publication, not duplicate publication.</p>
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