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		<title>By: I only just realised &#8230; the draft Phylocode does not recognise electronic publication! &#171; Sauropod Vertebra Picture of the Week</title>
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		<dc:creator>I only just realised &#8230; the draft Phylocode does not recognise electronic publication! &#171; Sauropod Vertebra Picture of the Week</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a clade in any of the PLoS journals, it won&#8217;t count (unless the journal does one of its inkjet-and-staples special print runs for you).  It also means that any clades you define in Proceedings of the Royal Society of London [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sunday links &#124; Not Exactly Rocket Science &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunday links &#124; Not Exactly Rocket Science &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tabs on the story&#8217;s timeline, including the amusing furore over whether Darwinius&#8217;s name was actually rightly [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ellinor Michel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/21/darwinius-named-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-26772</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellinor Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, six months went by before I saw this enquiry from Jaime Headden, which was and still is a timely question. The ICZN is currently considering an amendment to the Code to allow e-only publication. Access to the proposed amendment and much discussion is available here: http://www.iczn.org/electronic_publication.html

It is a thorny issue, however. Note, first that the discussion is not about whether e-access to publications is good, as we all agree it is. Cross-linked references, PDFs, etc, make accessibility much better and speed up our science and are (probably) more sustainable than paper (though read about the power demands of Google and you&#039;ll see the internet is not as footprint-free as it feels (http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/google-data-center-faq-part-2/)).

For those of you who think a publication with nomenclatural content should be dealt with the same way as all other scientific publications, we&#039;d like to underscore that nomenclatural work has not only a half-life, but actually needs to be accessible in its original form essentially into perpetuity. It also needs to be certain that the archived form is has not been tampered with since the time it became &#039;legitimized&#039;.  On the latter, most of us have not made the jump to e-only for our most important personal documents (our deeds, birth and marriage certificates) which all still function with hard copy as paramount. That is changing, but has not changed yet for many aspects of legal treatment. Add on the requirement for archival survival into perpetuity, and you can see why the ICZN and ICBN are still a bit squirrely about signing up for e-only validity.

The question is, should the  definitive publications of nomenclatural acts be on media with  untested archival qualities? Most people agree that the last edition of the Code made a mistake in presuming that CDs and DVDs would turn out to be archivally robust.  They didn&#039;t.  Now we are assured by many that LOCKSS, etc, will be fine. But the jury is still out, the commentary still roles in, and the Commission still has to vote on whether the time is right for this transition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, six months went by before I saw this enquiry from Jaime Headden, which was and still is a timely question. The ICZN is currently considering an amendment to the Code to allow e-only publication. Access to the proposed amendment and much discussion is available here: <a href="http://www.iczn.org/electronic_publication.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.iczn.org/electronic_publication.html</a></p>
<p>It is a thorny issue, however. Note, first that the discussion is not about whether e-access to publications is good, as we all agree it is. Cross-linked references, PDFs, etc, make accessibility much better and speed up our science and are (probably) more sustainable than paper (though read about the power demands of Google and you&#8217;ll see the internet is not as footprint-free as it feels (<a href="http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/google-data-center-faq-part-2/" rel="nofollow">http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/google-data-center-faq-part-2/</a>)).</p>
<p>For those of you who think a publication with nomenclatural content should be dealt with the same way as all other scientific publications, we&#8217;d like to underscore that nomenclatural work has not only a half-life, but actually needs to be accessible in its original form essentially into perpetuity. It also needs to be certain that the archived form is has not been tampered with since the time it became &#8216;legitimized&#8217;.  On the latter, most of us have not made the jump to e-only for our most important personal documents (our deeds, birth and marriage certificates) which all still function with hard copy as paramount. That is changing, but has not changed yet for many aspects of legal treatment. Add on the requirement for archival survival into perpetuity, and you can see why the ICZN and ICBN are still a bit squirrely about signing up for e-only validity.</p>
<p>The question is, should the  definitive publications of nomenclatural acts be on media with  untested archival qualities? Most people agree that the last edition of the Code made a mistake in presuming that CDs and DVDs would turn out to be archivally robust.  They didn&#8217;t.  Now we are assured by many that LOCKSS, etc, will be fine. But the jury is still out, the commentary still roles in, and the Commission still has to vote on whether the time is right for this transition.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaime A. Headden</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/21/darwinius-named-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-18885</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaime A. Headden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 06:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious as to the interests of the ICZN and other publishing bodies:

In what way do the official records of note and the ICZN concern themselves with the future prospect of non-print publishing, availability of digital information, and the reduction of environmentally-unsound production costs (trees for paper, petroleum for plastic), while maintaining sound production media for taxonomic purposes? Information now travels further and faster by digital means than it does by paper, and hardcopy can be transfered to printing from computers by any interested individual without having to aquire the paper material. This is, in fact, how many proofs and editing editions are handled, instead of paper media. It seems only natural if publication media were to conform to the faster digital communication era, and therefore taxonomic stability conform itself in some way to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious as to the interests of the ICZN and other publishing bodies:</p>
<p>In what way do the official records of note and the ICZN concern themselves with the future prospect of non-print publishing, availability of digital information, and the reduction of environmentally-unsound production costs (trees for paper, petroleum for plastic), while maintaining sound production media for taxonomic purposes? Information now travels further and faster by digital means than it does by paper, and hardcopy can be transfered to printing from computers by any interested individual without having to aquire the paper material. This is, in fact, how many proofs and editing editions are handled, instead of paper media. It seems only natural if publication media were to conform to the faster digital communication era, and therefore taxonomic stability conform itself in some way to this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellinor Michel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/21/darwinius-named-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-18805</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellinor Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thanks to those who helped save Darwinius, and D. massillae (two separate names!).  First and foremost that&#039;s the ICZN (&#039;The Commissioners&#039;) who gave this their immediate attention, thought through the arguments eloquently laid out by Rich Pyle, Sven Kullander and others, and then gave Peter Binfield of PLoS a line of action to keep this high-profile taxon in the public eye without further flap about the legitimacy of the names.
Thanks also to Carl Zimmer for reporting on it so thoroughly.  Its been fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thanks to those who helped save Darwinius, and D. massillae (two separate names!).  First and foremost that&#8217;s the ICZN (&#8216;The Commissioners&#8217;) who gave this their immediate attention, thought through the arguments eloquently laid out by Rich Pyle, Sven Kullander and others, and then gave Peter Binfield of PLoS a line of action to keep this high-profile taxon in the public eye without further flap about the legitimacy of the names.<br />
Thanks also to Carl Zimmer for reporting on it so thoroughly.  Its been fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly PLoS Blog and Media Round-up &#171; everyONE &#8211; the PLoS ONE community blog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/21/darwinius-named-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-18575</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly PLoS Blog and Media Round-up &#171; everyONE &#8211; the PLoS ONE community blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 00:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Loom, Fish matters, Lancelet, Why Evolution Is True, Chinleana, Chinleana, DinoGoss, The Loom, The Loom, Fish matters, The New Scientist and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Loom, Fish matters, Lancelet, Why Evolution Is True, Chinleana, Chinleana, DinoGoss, The Loom, The Loom, Fish matters, The New Scientist and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: soni2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>soni2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 10:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cromercrox Says:

The power of the blog rules ok.

Yes I agree with you Cromercrox.</description>
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<p>The power of the blog rules ok.</p>
<p>Yes I agree with you Cromercrox.</p>
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		<title>By: Cromercrox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/21/darwinius-named-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-18467</link>
		<dc:creator>Cromercrox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 06:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The power of the blog rules ok</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The power of the blog rules ok</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Siddall</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/21/darwinius-named-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-18465</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Siddall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 06:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I like parasites. They&#039;re not ugly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I like parasites. They&#8217;re not ugly.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob O'H</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/21/darwinius-named-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-18463</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob O'H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 05:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But who knows how Linneaus would have dealt with the Internet….&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think he would have been able to out-snark the best of them, entire clades of ugly parasites would have been filled with the names of blogospheric personalities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But who knows how Linneaus would have dealt with the Internet….</p></blockquote>
<p>I think he would have been able to out-snark the best of them, entire clades of ugly parasites would have been filled with the names of blogospheric personalities.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Laden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Laden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is invalid.  The Ghost of Linnaeus was not invoked during the rule-fudging ceremony.  I&#039;m sorry, the fossil remains unnamed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is invalid.  The Ghost of Linnaeus was not invoked during the rule-fudging ceremony.  I&#8217;m sorry, the fossil remains unnamed.</p>
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		<title>By: Darwinius: what&#8217;s at issue? &#171; Why Evolution Is True</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/21/darwinius-named-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-18448</link>
		<dc:creator>Darwinius: what&#8217;s at issue? &#171; Why Evolution Is True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the press conference, which he titles &#8220;Science Held Hostage&#8220;. And, also from Carl, Plosone has today printed a 50 copy paper edition. If we can dismiss the newspaper versions (which, as I indicate in my first update, that I think we [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to the press conference, which he titles &#8220;Science Held Hostage&#8220;. And, also from Carl, Plosone has today printed a 50 copy paper edition. If we can dismiss the newspaper versions (which, as I indicate in my first update, that I think we [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Mayer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/21/darwinius-named-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-18446</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Mayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 01:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen @2:
No. Art. 8.6 refers to works not produced by ink on paper. Now that they&#039;ve produced a paper edition, Art. 8.6 doesn&#039;t apply.  50 isn&#039;t a lot of copies, but Art 8.1 only specifies &quot;numerous&quot;, so I think they&#039;ve squeaked by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen @2:<br />
No. Art. 8.6 refers to works not produced by ink on paper. Now that they&#8217;ve produced a paper edition, Art. 8.6 doesn&#8217;t apply.  50 isn&#8217;t a lot of copies, but Art 8.1 only specifies &#8220;numerous&#8221;, so I think they&#8217;ve squeaked by.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pyle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/21/darwinius-named-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-18444</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Pyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 01:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to Karen James:

&quot;Didn’t the copies have to be ‘deposited in at least 5 major publicly accessible libraries which are identified by name in the work itself’ according to Article 8.6, though?&quot;

No -- this (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iczn.org/iczn/index.jsp?article=8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Art. 8.6&lt;/a&gt;) only applies to publications &quot;produced by a method that does not employ printing on paper&quot;.  As it happens, distribution of PDF files via the internet doesn&#039;t even get this far into the Code, because they do not involve &quot;durable&quot; media (Art. 8.1.3).  It&#039;s also explicitly excluded by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iczn.org/iczn/index.jsp?article=9&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Art. 9.8&lt;/a&gt;. 

So....if the durable media on which PLoS published the article was something other than paper (e.g., CD-ROMs, memory sticks, etc.), then they would have not only needed to distribute at least 5 copies to major libraries, but also would have needed to have identified those libraries within the publication itself (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iczn.org/iczn/index.jsp?article=8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Art. 8.6&lt;/a&gt;).

As it turns out, the durable media that PLoS chose in order to establish it as a Code-compliant publication was, in fact, paper -- so Art. 8.6 does not apply.

While all of this business may appear unbelievably pedantic, it&#039;s actually quite important (as Carl points out  above).  There aren&#039;t many conventions in science that have remained intact and relevant and important for a quarter of a millennium.  Nobody is more acutely aware of the need for the Code to accommodate modern mechanisms of information exchange among scientists than the ICZN Commissioners themselves are.  But there is also an extremely important historical legacy that should not (cannot) simply be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to Karen James:</p>
<p>&#8220;Didn’t the copies have to be ‘deposited in at least 5 major publicly accessible libraries which are identified by name in the work itself’ according to Article 8.6, though?&#8221;</p>
<p>No &#8212; this (<a href="http://www.iczn.org/iczn/index.jsp?article=8" rel="nofollow">Art. 8.6</a>) only applies to publications &#8220;produced by a method that does not employ printing on paper&#8221;.  As it happens, distribution of PDF files via the internet doesn&#8217;t even get this far into the Code, because they do not involve &#8220;durable&#8221; media (Art. 8.1.3).  It&#8217;s also explicitly excluded by <a href="http://www.iczn.org/iczn/index.jsp?article=9" rel="nofollow">Art. 9.8</a>. </p>
<p>So&#8230;.if the durable media on which PLoS published the article was something other than paper (e.g., CD-ROMs, memory sticks, etc.), then they would have not only needed to distribute at least 5 copies to major libraries, but also would have needed to have identified those libraries within the publication itself (see <a href="http://www.iczn.org/iczn/index.jsp?article=8" rel="nofollow">Art. 8.6</a>).</p>
<p>As it turns out, the durable media that PLoS chose in order to establish it as a Code-compliant publication was, in fact, paper &#8212; so Art. 8.6 does not apply.</p>
<p>While all of this business may appear unbelievably pedantic, it&#8217;s actually quite important (as Carl points out  above).  There aren&#8217;t many conventions in science that have remained intact and relevant and important for a quarter of a millennium.  Nobody is more acutely aware of the need for the Code to accommodate modern mechanisms of information exchange among scientists than the ICZN Commissioners themselves are.  But there is also an extremely important historical legacy that should not (cannot) simply be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen James</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/21/darwinius-named-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-18443</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 00:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. loved that last paragraph - so true</description>
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		<title>By: Karen James</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/21/darwinius-named-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-18442</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 00:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t the copies have to be &#039;deposited in at least 5 major publicly accessible libraries which are identified by name in the work itself&#039; according to Article 8.6, though?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t the copies have to be &#8216;deposited in at least 5 major publicly accessible libraries which are identified by name in the work itself&#8217; according to Article 8.6, though?</p>
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		<title>By: Does Darwinius Exist? &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/05/21/darwinius-named-at-last/comment-page-1/#comment-18441</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Darwinius Exist? &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 00:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update #6: Darwinius is now Darwinius.  [...]</description>
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