Comments on: AIDS And The Virtues of Slow-Cooked Science http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/ Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:13:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: The One-Ton Turkey: Further Adventures in Slow-Cooked Science | China News Center http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11736 The One-Ton Turkey: Further Adventures in Slow-Cooked Science | China News Center Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:38:34 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11736 [...] leave about the best part of my trip to Beijing. Yet I had to respect Xu for his fierce loyalty to slow-cooked science. Just because a discovery is obviously spectacular doesn’t mean you should scrimp on the hard, [...] [...] leave about the best part of my trip to Beijing. Yet I had to respect Xu for his fierce loyalty to slow-cooked science. Just because a discovery is obviously spectacular doesn’t mean you should scrimp on the hard, [...]

]]> By: Ardipithecus: We Meet At Last | The Loom | Discover Magazine http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11735 Ardipithecus: We Meet At Last | The Loom | Discover Magazine Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:31:35 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11735 [...] mentioned before how unfashionable this slow-cooked style of science can be. But sometimes, it’s the only way to do things right. Getting clues about HIV by [...] [...] mentioned before how unfashionable this slow-cooked style of science can be. But sometimes, it’s the only way to do things right. Getting clues about HIV by [...]

]]> By: Nice, Thoughtful Piece on Chimpanzee Research at Gombe http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11734 Nice, Thoughtful Piece on Chimpanzee Research at Gombe Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:53:16 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11734 [...] article that gives the back-story of SIV research at Gombe at MinnPost.com. Put this together with Carl Zimmer’s post and you get a good sense for how research unfolds in a situation like [...] [...] article that gives the back-story of SIV research at Gombe at MinnPost.com. Put this together with Carl Zimmer’s post and you get a good sense for how research unfolds in a situation like [...]

]]> By: curtas « ciência na mídia http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11733 curtas « ciência na mídia Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:02:47 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11733 [...] Aids and the virtues of slow-cooked science: post espetacular de Carl Zimmer sobre a evolução do HIV e, até mais que isso, sobre “tipos de ciência” (em inglês). [...] [...] Aids and the virtues of slow-cooked science: post espetacular de Carl Zimmer sobre a evolução do HIV e, até mais que isso, sobre “tipos de ciência” (em inglês). [...]

]]> By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11732 Torbjörn Larsson, OM Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:12:20 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11732 Thanks, that was very fruitful after reading an astronomer pointing out that some "hard" questions on planets won't be answered without human participation. (E.g. the geology of the Moon Aitkens basin, probably deep and early enough to reveal planet formation issues. Or the presumptive biology of Mars, looking for microfossils or even stromatolites.) In his case he argued that "(manned) exploration needs (robotic) science, and (robotic) science needs (manned) exploration". Here we have a similar dependence between field (aka manned) or "slow-cooked" work and lab (well, some automation ;-) or "easy pickings" work. Thanks, that was very fruitful after reading an astronomer pointing out that some “hard” questions on planets won’t be answered without human participation. (E.g. the geology of the Moon Aitkens basin, probably deep and early enough to reveal planet formation issues. Or the presumptive biology of Mars, looking for microfossils or even stromatolites.)

In his case he argued that “(manned) exploration needs (robotic) science, and (robotic) science needs (manned) exploration”. Here we have a similar dependence between field (aka manned) or “slow-cooked” work and lab (well, some automation ;-) or “easy pickings” work.

]]> By: katesisco http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11731 katesisco Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:25:05 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11731 Out in the real world, where ////chimpanzees////substitute humans///// face an onslaught of pathogens, infections may activate the immune system in a way that brings on the virus’s attack and, ultimately, AIDS. Stress is the ultimate immunosuppressant. Reading about how syphilis was transported to the old world from the new where it existed without the immune attack seems explainable due to condition of the sailors. Most of the Spanish conquistadors came from Extremeadura. Impoverished, lacking a way to fortune, they had nothing to lose sailing into the unknown, and since the Chinese world exploration fleet, and lately a host of various other human dispersals due to catastrophes, I have been asking myself why didn't China and other asian stops along the way spread syphilis? Why did it show up in Europe? Is other data lacking? Was it in Asia and not recorded? Or was the immune system of Europe in general already greatly depressed from continuous war, dislocation, disease, etc? Consider: the Carthaginians were world-famous as the sailors-of-choice when choosing a group know to get the job done. Where is syphilis in Africa during the reign of the Carthaginians? Out in the real world, where ////chimpanzees////substitute humans///// face an onslaught of pathogens, infections may activate the immune system in a way that brings on the virus’s attack and, ultimately, AIDS.

Stress is the ultimate immunosuppressant. Reading about how syphilis was transported to the old world from the new where it existed without the immune attack seems explainable due to condition of the sailors. Most of the Spanish conquistadors came from Extremeadura. Impoverished, lacking a way to fortune, they had nothing to lose sailing into the unknown, and since the Chinese world exploration fleet, and lately a host of various other human dispersals due to catastrophes, I have been asking myself why didn’t China and other asian stops along the way spread syphilis? Why did it show up in Europe?
Is other data lacking? Was it in Asia and not recorded? Or was the immune system of Europe in general already greatly depressed from continuous war, dislocation, disease, etc?

Consider: the Carthaginians were world-famous as the sailors-of-choice when choosing a group know to get the job done. Where is syphilis in Africa during the reign of the Carthaginians?

]]> By: New Publication: Chimpanzee “AIDS” http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11730 New Publication: Chimpanzee “AIDS” Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:32:00 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11730 [...] keeping us in line and on schedule (more or less). It’s really gratifying to see the excellent blog piece by Carl Zimmer in which he notes the virtues — and the difficulty — of combining [...] [...] keeping us in line and on schedule (more or less). It’s really gratifying to see the excellent blog piece by Carl Zimmer in which he notes the virtues — and the difficulty — of combining [...]

]]> By: NewEnglandBob http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11729 NewEnglandBob Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:39:34 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11729 Thanks, I enjoyed this story except for the label "Slow-cooked science". I would prefer "Patient slow observation science". Thanks, I enjoyed this story except for the label “Slow-cooked science”.

I would prefer “Patient slow observation science”.

]]> By: Ford http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11728 Ford Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:31:18 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11728 A good story and a good illustration of the value of maintaining diversity in science, rather than channeling all the resources to the latest "cutting edge" fad. A good story and a good illustration of the value of maintaining diversity in science, rather than channeling all the resources to the latest “cutting edge” fad.

]]> By: MadGenius http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11727 MadGenius Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:27:19 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/07/22/aids-and-the-virtues-of-slow-cooked-science/#comment-11727 Thanks for the lovely article Carl. Thanks for the lovely article Carl.

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