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		<title>By: EKA</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-2/#comment-26787</link>
		<dc:creator>EKA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kyle
Don&#039;t forget that obfuscating technical jargon also keeps outsiders from accessing types of knowledge. Those who &quot;belong&quot; understand it - it creates boundaries and also allows for a refashioning of this knowledge to the masses. Part of me hates myself for pointing out the Foucauldian power/knowledge concept, but in my opinion, it strongly applies to what you are describing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kyle<br />
Don&#8217;t forget that obfuscating technical jargon also keeps outsiders from accessing types of knowledge. Those who &#8220;belong&#8221; understand it &#8211; it creates boundaries and also allows for a refashioning of this knowledge to the masses. Part of me hates myself for pointing out the Foucauldian power/knowledge concept, but in my opinion, it strongly applies to what you are describing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there should be categorized lists of banned words by field of science.  Being an organic chemistry PhD student, the toughest adjustment for me from being an undergraduate to a graduate-student was reading the chemistry journals and understanding what was actually being said.  Three years into my time in grad school, I still have a difficult time reading and fully understanding chemistry journals, not for lack of chemistry knowledge, but since the &quot;language&quot; chemists use amongst themselves is unnecessarily confusing.  It does become easier over time though, seeing the same fancy words used over and again.  

However, it is obvious, in talking to chemists from around the world that chemists never use most of the words they so &quot;poetically&quot; use in their articles.  My favorite word used is concomitantly, a word I&#039;ve never once heard in common discussion, but which I come across every day in reading articles to describe two things happening at the same time.   

Unfortunately, I doubt much change will ever be made in this front, because I (and I&#039;m sure every student who has ever written a paper) use words that sound better and more intelligent when typed out, but awkward in face-to-face discussions.  It a way to make yourself seem more intelligent than you may really be to the reader, something which is important to scientists--no one wants to appear dumb by using easy-to-read language.  Furthermore, Word and similar software can show you a list of synonyms of any word you type.  This makes it much simpler for anyone to have what appears to be a very broad vocabulary, giving that person a facade of intelligence.  

If there was no competition in the education system to get the best grades, to get into the best universities, and then onto the best graduate programs, post-doctoral positions, and eventually best career positions (whether it be outside of academia or within it), I could see this massive difference in written and spoken languages disappearing.  However, that will never be the case, students will always try to one-up their peers by one of the simplest methods, using highfalutin words.  

Lastly, one argument for keeping these annoying words in use, is that they can allow the author to use words others may not use to avoid being accused of plagiarism.  Obviously, a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there should be categorized lists of banned words by field of science.  Being an organic chemistry PhD student, the toughest adjustment for me from being an undergraduate to a graduate-student was reading the chemistry journals and understanding what was actually being said.  Three years into my time in grad school, I still have a difficult time reading and fully understanding chemistry journals, not for lack of chemistry knowledge, but since the &#8220;language&#8221; chemists use amongst themselves is unnecessarily confusing.  It does become easier over time though, seeing the same fancy words used over and again.  </p>
<p>However, it is obvious, in talking to chemists from around the world that chemists never use most of the words they so &#8220;poetically&#8221; use in their articles.  My favorite word used is concomitantly, a word I&#8217;ve never once heard in common discussion, but which I come across every day in reading articles to describe two things happening at the same time.   </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I doubt much change will ever be made in this front, because I (and I&#8217;m sure every student who has ever written a paper) use words that sound better and more intelligent when typed out, but awkward in face-to-face discussions.  It a way to make yourself seem more intelligent than you may really be to the reader, something which is important to scientists&#8211;no one wants to appear dumb by using easy-to-read language.  Furthermore, Word and similar software can show you a list of synonyms of any word you type.  This makes it much simpler for anyone to have what appears to be a very broad vocabulary, giving that person a facade of intelligence.  </p>
<p>If there was no competition in the education system to get the best grades, to get into the best universities, and then onto the best graduate programs, post-doctoral positions, and eventually best career positions (whether it be outside of academia or within it), I could see this massive difference in written and spoken languages disappearing.  However, that will never be the case, students will always try to one-up their peers by one of the simplest methods, using highfalutin words.  </p>
<p>Lastly, one argument for keeping these annoying words in use, is that they can allow the author to use words others may not use to avoid being accused of plagiarism.  Obviously, a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice Koler-Matznick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-2/#comment-26484</link>
		<dc:creator>Janice Koler-Matznick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you think the word &quot;morphology&quot; should only be banned from writing for the general public. My best friend is a morphologist in a wildlife forensic lab! Since &quot;morphology&quot; is correctly used for the study of form and structure, or the actual form and structure of an organism, I assume you mean writers should not use morphology as a subsitute for specific terms such as &quot;shape,&quot; &quot;design&quot; or &quot;structure.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you think the word &#8220;morphology&#8221; should only be banned from writing for the general public. My best friend is a morphologist in a wildlife forensic lab! Since &#8220;morphology&#8221; is correctly used for the study of form and structure, or the actual form and structure of an organism, I assume you mean writers should not use morphology as a subsitute for specific terms such as &#8220;shape,&#8221; &#8220;design&#8221; or &#8220;structure.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Amanda</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-2/#comment-26073</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay! I&#039;m all for eliminating the unnecessary perplexing words when the simpler ones are readily available. 

But could it be a difference between the American professors and the British ones? 
Most of those who comment here seem to be teachers/profs in the States, and I like it that a lot of you are genuinely okay (correct me if I&#039;m wrong though) to banning these lofty-sounding words. 

I&#039;m a PhD student and the univ I attend follows the British education system. 
I think it&#039;d probably kill my supervisor if I wrote &#039;use&#039; instead of &#039;utilise&#039;. 
Recently I attended a workshop on &#039;Writing the Discussion section of your thesis&#039; and I swear I was struggling to understand what the guy was saying what with words like &#039;epistomology&#039;, &#039;operational definition&#039;, &#039;warrant&#039; vs. &#039;claim&#039; and &#039;false positive&#039; in abundance. 

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay! I&#8217;m all for eliminating the unnecessary perplexing words when the simpler ones are readily available. </p>
<p>But could it be a difference between the American professors and the British ones?<br />
Most of those who comment here seem to be teachers/profs in the States, and I like it that a lot of you are genuinely okay (correct me if I&#8217;m wrong though) to banning these lofty-sounding words. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a PhD student and the univ I attend follows the British education system.<br />
I think it&#8217;d probably kill my supervisor if I wrote &#8216;use&#8217; instead of &#8216;utilise&#8217;.<br />
Recently I attended a workshop on &#8216;Writing the Discussion section of your thesis&#8217; and I swear I was struggling to understand what the guy was saying what with words like &#8216;epistomology&#8217;, &#8216;operational definition&#8217;, &#8216;warrant&#8217; vs. &#8216;claim&#8217; and &#8216;false positive&#8217; in abundance. </p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Cambrico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cambrico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Epistemology. 
Once a Sociologist mentioned epistemology in a class and one student had the audacity to ask what the word meant. The sociologist was so offended that didn&#039;t answer.  And we never understood what he was trying to teach with that word.
We were lawyers, engineers, administrators, and would had been gratefull of somebody explaining the word, just for our enlightment. Now, 20 years later, I remember this as an example of how a professor or teacher should not behave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Epistemology.<br />
Once a Sociologist mentioned epistemology in a class and one student had the audacity to ask what the word meant. The sociologist was so offended that didn&#8217;t answer.  And we never understood what he was trying to teach with that word.<br />
We were lawyers, engineers, administrators, and would had been gratefull of somebody explaining the word, just for our enlightment. Now, 20 years later, I remember this as an example of how a professor or teacher should not behave.</p>
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		<title>By: Emmanuel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-2/#comment-24675</link>
		<dc:creator>Emmanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this interesting discussion.  You could consider adding most adverbs to the list.  They are often added because people don&#039;t have confidence in their adjectives.  Adverbs can be really, truly, definitely, very much useful, but sparingly, like butter.

I feel a lot of these concepts are well laid out in Strunk and White and George Orwell&#039;s Politics and the English Language.

Cheers,

Emmanuel
&lt;strong&gt;
Carl: I agree. If I&#039;m editing a piece, I usually strike out about 90% of the adverbs.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this interesting discussion.  You could consider adding most adverbs to the list.  They are often added because people don&#8217;t have confidence in their adjectives.  Adverbs can be really, truly, definitely, very much useful, but sparingly, like butter.</p>
<p>I feel a lot of these concepts are well laid out in Strunk and White and George Orwell&#8217;s Politics and the English Language.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Emmanuel<br />
<strong><br />
Carl: I agree. If I&#8217;m editing a piece, I usually strike out about 90% of the adverbs.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Thumpalumpacus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-1/#comment-24616</link>
		<dc:creator>Thumpalumpacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not specifically scientific, but do eliminate &quot;moreover&quot;.  It is sludgy filler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not specifically scientific, but do eliminate &#8220;moreover&#8221;.  It is sludgy filler.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-1/#comment-24368</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Carl

Interesting list. You could consider adding the following words 

increase
decrease
positive
negative

There is nothing really wrong with these words. The problem is that we often use them when we can&#039;t be bothered thinking of the most apt and precise word to characterize the nature of a change or effect. I keep a look out for these words,  because they are signals that my writing is becoming lazy.

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Carl</p>
<p>Interesting list. You could consider adding the following words </p>
<p>increase<br />
decrease<br />
positive<br />
negative</p>
<p>There is nothing really wrong with these words. The problem is that we often use them when we can&#8217;t be bothered thinking of the most apt and precise word to characterize the nature of a change or effect. I keep a look out for these words,  because they are signals that my writing is becoming lazy.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: lylebot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-1/#comment-24174</link>
		<dc:creator>lylebot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate &quot;utilize&quot;, even in science writing.  I have a collaborator that uses it all the time.  To me it&#039;s like a big stone weighing down any sentence it appears in---it deadens any rhythm of language that might be there otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate &#8220;utilize&#8221;, even in science writing.  I have a collaborator that uses it all the time.  To me it&#8217;s like a big stone weighing down any sentence it appears in&#8212;it deadens any rhythm of language that might be there otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: The science of editing science &#171; A Man With A Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>The science of editing science &#171; A Man With A Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] science of editing&#160;science August 27, 2009 &#8212; Richard    by Boa-sorte&amp;Careca The Index of Banned Words: [Via The Loom] Over the past week I held my first real class, teaching a roomful of students [...]</description>
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		<title>By: IST</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-1/#comment-23793</link>
		<dc:creator>IST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about anything commonly used in post-modernist discourse (including &quot;discourse&quot;?) The objective of writing, especially scientific writing, should be communication of methods and findings. If you&#039;re trying to obfuscate the dearth of information with excess and pretentious verbiage (/snark), maybe you should spend more time on your research than trying to baffle your readers with bovine excrement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about anything commonly used in post-modernist discourse (including &#8220;discourse&#8221;?) The objective of writing, especially scientific writing, should be communication of methods and findings. If you&#8217;re trying to obfuscate the dearth of information with excess and pretentious verbiage (/snark), maybe you should spend more time on your research than trying to baffle your readers with bovine excrement.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 05:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I&#039;d ban the noun &quot;individual,&quot; unless the writer is distinguishing individuals from groups.  If all you mean is person, say person.  It&#039;s another staple of the police report language that Cat mentions above (&quot;I apprehended two individuals adjacent to the vehicle.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I&#8217;d ban the noun &#8220;individual,&#8221; unless the writer is distinguishing individuals from groups.  If all you mean is person, say person.  It&#8217;s another staple of the police report language that Cat mentions above (&#8220;I apprehended two individuals adjacent to the vehicle.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 05:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a legal writing teacher, I nominate &quot;regarding.&quot;  I&#039;ve slogged through hundreds, maybe thousands, of regardings, and almost all of them would have been better off changed to &quot;about&quot; (&quot;our conversation regarding the proposal&quot;), while the remainder should have been something more specific like &quot;governing&quot; (&quot;the statute regarding hazardous waste disposal&quot;).  I beg my students not to use it, and not to substitute something equally vague and wordy, like &quot;concerning&quot; or &quot;with regard to&quot;.

Also &quot;is applicable&quot; and &quot;is inapplicable.&quot;  What ugly phrases.  &quot;Applies,&quot; or &quot;doesn&#039;t apply.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a legal writing teacher, I nominate &#8220;regarding.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve slogged through hundreds, maybe thousands, of regardings, and almost all of them would have been better off changed to &#8220;about&#8221; (&#8220;our conversation regarding the proposal&#8221;), while the remainder should have been something more specific like &#8220;governing&#8221; (&#8220;the statute regarding hazardous waste disposal&#8221;).  I beg my students not to use it, and not to substitute something equally vague and wordy, like &#8220;concerning&#8221; or &#8220;with regard to&#8221;.</p>
<p>Also &#8220;is applicable&#8221; and &#8220;is inapplicable.&#8221;  What ugly phrases.  &#8220;Applies,&#8221; or &#8220;doesn&#8217;t apply.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Allen MacNeill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-1/#comment-23710</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen MacNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 02:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hereby nominate &quot;impactful&quot;.

I know it seems absurd that anyone would use such a word, but I have heard it used multiple times, usually by people in educational psychology, sociology, and social services. In general it is used as an intensified version of &quot;effective&quot;, as in &quot;that speech was very effective/had an impact on me/was very impactful&quot;.

Almost every time I hear it, I think of someone developing impacted feces: eating a lot of white bread while dehydrated is likely to be very &quot;impactful&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hereby nominate &#8220;impactful&#8221;.</p>
<p>I know it seems absurd that anyone would use such a word, but I have heard it used multiple times, usually by people in educational psychology, sociology, and social services. In general it is used as an intensified version of &#8220;effective&#8221;, as in &#8220;that speech was very effective/had an impact on me/was very impactful&#8221;.</p>
<p>Almost every time I hear it, I think of someone developing impacted feces: eating a lot of white bread while dehydrated is likely to be very &#8220;impactful&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Kwok</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-1/#comment-23498</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kwok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl,

Morphology, Phylogenetics and Predator - Prey Relationship(s) should not be banned since they refer to size and shape and overall appearance (morphology), phylogenetics (either as a simple short-hand for Cladistics or Phylogenetic Systeamtics or in general, referring to phylogenies) and a fundamental ecological relationship between some organisms (predator - prey relationship).

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl,</p>
<p>Morphology, Phylogenetics and Predator &#8211; Prey Relationship(s) should not be banned since they refer to size and shape and overall appearance (morphology), phylogenetics (either as a simple short-hand for Cladistics or Phylogenetic Systeamtics or in general, referring to phylogenies) and a fundamental ecological relationship between some organisms (predator &#8211; prey relationship).</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-1/#comment-23324</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My big one is often seen in grants and press releases - &quot;furthers our understanding&quot;, or &quot;leads to a better understanding of&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My big one is often seen in grants and press releases &#8211; &#8220;furthers our understanding&#8221;, or &#8220;leads to a better understanding of&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendee Holtcamp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-1/#comment-23066</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendee Holtcamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I didn&#039;t mean to imply that you said in any way that we shouldn&#039;t use scientific words &quot;at all&quot; - poor choice of words on my part. But I was just making a suggestion in addition to your excellent points!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that you said in any way that we shouldn&#8217;t use scientific words &#8220;at all&#8221; &#8211; poor choice of words on my part. But I was just making a suggestion in addition to your excellent points!</p>
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		<title>By: Wendee Holtcamp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-1/#comment-23065</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendee Holtcamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes but here&#039;s another thought. I think that you&#039;re right on target with the jargony writing hat many scientists use when talking to a lay audience. However... I also think that we should not dumb down the understanding of science by the public by not using scientific words at all. Rather what I like to do is introduce a word or two into an article, clearly defining it and not overusing it. I think that educating the public on scientific terms used accurately is every bit as important as engaging them with dynamic and colorful writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes but here&#8217;s another thought. I think that you&#8217;re right on target with the jargony writing hat many scientists use when talking to a lay audience. However&#8230; I also think that we should not dumb down the understanding of science by the public by not using scientific words at all. Rather what I like to do is introduce a word or two into an article, clearly defining it and not overusing it. I think that educating the public on scientific terms used accurately is every bit as important as engaging them with dynamic and colorful writing.</p>
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		<title>By: wjv</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-1/#comment-22912</link>
		<dc:creator>wjv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a materials scientist, I find your ban on material properties and processes procrustean. :)

material properties are what us materials scientists study, how can we avoid it? also process is a useful word that is common enough among lay people, why ban process?

&lt;strong&gt;Carl: No one loves material properties more than I do! But I also love the words that convey those material properties in a visceral way to those few, few readers who are not materials scientists: words like strong, bright, cold, brittle, gooey.

Process is not actually that useful in a non-scientific piece of writing, I find, because it is just a nondescript placeholder of a word.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a materials scientist, I find your ban on material properties and processes procrustean. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>material properties are what us materials scientists study, how can we avoid it? also process is a useful word that is common enough among lay people, why ban process?</p>
<p><strong>Carl: No one loves material properties more than I do! But I also love the words that convey those material properties in a visceral way to those few, few readers who are not materials scientists: words like strong, bright, cold, brittle, gooey.</p>
<p>Process is not actually that useful in a non-scientific piece of writing, I find, because it is just a nondescript placeholder of a word.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and to contribute positively: &quot;technology&quot; is often used instead of technique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and to contribute positively: &#8220;technology&#8221; is often used instead of technique.</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-1/#comment-22811</link>
		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not having English as native language I was surprised to see the seemingly innocuous word &quot;impact&quot; on the list?! How is &quot;having an impact&quot; different in impact from &quot;causing a reaction&quot;? For me it causes the same reaction.

[Note: I see why interaction is iffy, but physicists tend to use &quot;interaction&quot; as a (technical IMHO) term since &quot;force&quot; is somewhat ambiguous. For example, gravitation is AFAIU not (causing) a force, say for photons that obey it (no acceleration in their inertial frame as massless particles follows geodesics). &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It is however an interaction.&lt;/a&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not having English as native language I was surprised to see the seemingly innocuous word &#8220;impact&#8221; on the list?! How is &#8220;having an impact&#8221; different in impact from &#8220;causing a reaction&#8221;? For me it causes the same reaction.</p>
<p>[Note: I see why interaction is iffy, but physicists tend to use "interaction" as a (technical IMHO) term since "force" is somewhat ambiguous. For example, gravitation is AFAIU not (causing) a force, say for photons that obey it (no acceleration in their inertial frame as massless particles follows geodesics). <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction" rel="nofollow">It is however an interaction.</a>]</p>
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		<title>By: Psi Wavefunction</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-1/#comment-22704</link>
		<dc:creator>Psi Wavefunction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But why phylogenetics? Wait... people even talk about that out in the public? What should it be instead - &#039;treestuff&#039;? Actually, I think I like &#039;treestuff&#039;... should start using it =P

Cancer (unless actually relevant)... for the love of FSM, why does everything in biology have to culminate in cancer? Those of us who have not the slightest shred of interest in the subject are not only marginalised by the media, but also by certain high impact factor weekly journals too! *mutters to self* Oh, and do try to read cell cycle literature when outside the cancer erm...&#039;context&#039;! For some reason we now have &quot;retinablastoma-like&quot; genes in fucking -plants-...  *grumble* 

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Oh, and also for the love of FSM, &quot;living fossil&quot; - what the flying FUCK is that supposed to mean!?

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And lastly, the one that REALLY gets me off on a multipage rants: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://skepticwonder.blogspot.com/2009/07/down-with-gene-for-x-nonsense-already.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gene for [x]&lt;/a&gt;&quot;. Grrr.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But why phylogenetics? Wait&#8230; people even talk about that out in the public? What should it be instead &#8211; &#8216;treestuff&#8217;? Actually, I think I like &#8216;treestuff&#8217;&#8230; should start using it =P</p>
<p>Cancer (unless actually relevant)&#8230; for the love of FSM, why does everything in biology have to culminate in cancer? Those of us who have not the slightest shred of interest in the subject are not only marginalised by the media, but also by certain high impact factor weekly journals too! *mutters to self* Oh, and do try to read cell cycle literature when outside the cancer erm&#8230;&#8217;context&#8217;! For some reason we now have &#8220;retinablastoma-like&#8221; genes in fucking -plants-&#8230;  *grumble* </p>
<p>&#8212;<br />
Oh, and also for the love of FSM, &#8220;living fossil&#8221; &#8211; what the flying FUCK is that supposed to mean!?</p>
<p>&#8212;<br />
And lastly, the one that REALLY gets me off on a multipage rants: &#8220;<a href="http://skepticwonder.blogspot.com/2009/07/down-with-gene-for-x-nonsense-already.html" rel="nofollow">Gene for [x]</a>&#8220;. Grrr.</p>
<p>/rant</p>
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		<title>By: fra</title>
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		<dc:creator>fra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Narrative - once I punched a guy for using this word :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Narrative &#8211; once I punched a guy for using this word <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Old Grey Geologist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-1/#comment-22657</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Grey Geologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly agree with Michael &amp; David (comments 23 &amp; 24) - methodology has to go.  Another horrendous phrase I saw a couple of months ago that made me wince in serious pain: &quot;watery&quot; meteorite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly agree with Michael &#038; David (comments 23 &#038; 24) &#8211; methodology has to go.  Another horrendous phrase I saw a couple of months ago that made me wince in serious pain: &#8220;watery&#8221; meteorite.</p>
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		<title>By: gillt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/08/18/the-index-of-banned-words/comment-page-1/#comment-22652</link>
		<dc:creator>gillt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be two criteria: cliches and jargon. Maybe we need a two-column list of banned words.</description>
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