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	<title>Comments on: Old Colors: First Birds, Then Dinosaurs?</title>
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	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/09/01/old-colors-first-birds-then-dinosaurs/</link>
	<description>A blog about life, past and future. Written by DISCOVER contributing editor and columnist Carl Zimmer.</description>
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		<title>By: Captain Skellett</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/09/01/old-colors-first-birds-then-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-24753</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Skellett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jurrasic Park - Now in Real Colours!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jurrasic Park &#8211; Now in Real Colours!</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Terry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/09/01/old-colors-first-birds-then-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-24733</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 04:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We linked to your article from our Facebook group on Darwin - where  we have 250,000 members celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of &quot;Origin...&quot;

It was a great piece - thank you.

Phil 
Founder, Darwin150
On our way to 1 million, help us get there
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We linked to your article from our Facebook group on Darwin &#8211; where  we have 250,000 members celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of &#8220;Origin&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It was a great piece &#8211; thank you.</p>
<p>Phil<br />
Founder, Darwin150<br />
On our way to 1 million, help us get there<br />
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/09/01/old-colors-first-birds-then-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-24672</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 09:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s not dead, it&#039;s just dormant due to the lack of ambient heat.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not dead, it&#8217;s just dormant due to the lack of ambient heat.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Monfries</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/09/01/old-colors-first-birds-then-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-24670</link>
		<dc:creator>John Monfries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 07:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just fascinating - it&#039;s this kind of thing that keeps me coming back to your blog.

Look out for a &quot;&quot;Walking with Dinosaurs&quot; using the real colours in another five years. 

Kenneth Branagh saying  &quot;...and now we have the Norwegianbluosaurus. You can admire its beautiful plumage&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just fascinating &#8211; it&#8217;s this kind of thing that keeps me coming back to your blog.</p>
<p>Look out for a &#8220;&#8221;Walking with Dinosaurs&#8221; using the real colours in another five years. </p>
<p>Kenneth Branagh saying  &#8220;&#8230;and now we have the Norwegianbluosaurus. You can admire its beautiful plumage&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Haubrich, FCD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/09/01/old-colors-first-birds-then-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-24669</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Haubrich, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 06:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is pretty cool.  The colour assumptions that artists have been using since Owen&#039;s day seem to be based mostly based on the assumption of a camouflage adaptation, neglecting such goodies as sexual selection or predator distraction, etc, etc.

I have always loved your sense of humor, too, Carl.  Slipping in a Monty Python reference.  Good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pretty cool.  The colour assumptions that artists have been using since Owen&#8217;s day seem to be based mostly based on the assumption of a camouflage adaptation, neglecting such goodies as sexual selection or predator distraction, etc, etc.</p>
<p>I have always loved your sense of humor, too, Carl.  Slipping in a Monty Python reference.  Good.</p>
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		<title>By: DD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/09/01/old-colors-first-birds-then-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-24656</link>
		<dc:creator>DD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many other organisms have transparent tissues, some (eg. fish) become almost invisible. Land animals seem exceptional that only the eye lens and fingernail/claw/scale/feather base are transparent. Any idea why? UV damage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many other organisms have transparent tissues, some (eg. fish) become almost invisible. Land animals seem exceptional that only the eye lens and fingernail/claw/scale/feather base are transparent. Any idea why? UV damage?</p>
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		<title>By: The Ridger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/09/01/old-colors-first-birds-then-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-24639</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ridger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, so cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, so cool.</p>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/09/01/old-colors-first-birds-then-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-24636</link>
		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2: I don&#039;t think there would have been any need. It&#039;s pretty likely that the dinosaurs had tetrachromatic color vision from the very beginning. Tetrachromatic vision was probably the primitive condition for stem amniotes. (And, in fact, I think there are some fish with up to 7 different opsin genes)

Mammals are the exception. A hundred million years or so of nocturnal life resulted in the loss of 2/4 opsin genes, while certain primates secondarily recovered trichromatic color vision later thanks to gene duplications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2: I don&#8217;t think there would have been any need. It&#8217;s pretty likely that the dinosaurs had tetrachromatic color vision from the very beginning. Tetrachromatic vision was probably the primitive condition for stem amniotes. (And, in fact, I think there are some fish with up to 7 different opsin genes)</p>
<p>Mammals are the exception. A hundred million years or so of nocturnal life resulted in the loss of 2/4 opsin genes, while certain primates secondarily recovered trichromatic color vision later thanks to gene duplications.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob O'H</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/09/01/old-colors-first-birds-then-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-24614</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob O'H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, I can&#039;t get access to the paper.  But I guess the fossil is kept in Frankfurt, which is where I&#039;m going next month.

P.S. I think Grrlscientist would appreciate a copy of the paper.  Any chance...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I can&#8217;t get access to the paper.  But I guess the fossil is kept in Frankfurt, which is where I&#8217;m going next month.</p>
<p>P.S. I think Grrlscientist would appreciate a copy of the paper.  Any chance&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/09/01/old-colors-first-birds-then-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-24612</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every kid&#039;s dream</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every kid&#8217;s dream</p>
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		<title>By: johnk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/09/01/old-colors-first-birds-then-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-24599</link>
		<dc:creator>johnk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d guess that colored plumage or skin color would be accompanied by the evolution of color vision. Is anything known about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d guess that colored plumage or skin color would be accompanied by the evolution of color vision. Is anything known about that?</p>
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		<title>By: Brownian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/09/01/old-colors-first-birds-then-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-24598</link>
		<dc:creator>Brownian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Gasp!*

You mean we might actually know the colours of dinosaurs?!

O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Gasp!*</p>
<p>You mean we might actually know the colours of dinosaurs?!</p>
<p>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!</p>
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