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	<title>Comments on: Sarah Palin On The Origin of Species</title>
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		<title>By: gabe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/11/15/sarah-palin-on-the-origin-of-species/#comment-12763</link>
		<dc:creator>gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 19:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read some of  James I. Nienhuis&#039;s book Old Earth Why Not, it reminded me of another not very scientific book called Compelling Evidence for Creationism.  The thing is neither arguments were very compelling.  For one, Nienbuis claims that &quot;evolutionists&quot; believe the mountains were created 65 mya, I have never read or heard that, so I Googled it, while there were various answers only one identified a window of time that included 65 mya, and that was only for the Rocky Mountains.  I&#039;m pretty sure that geologists (that&#039;s the scientific term for someone who studies rocks and the age of the planet, not &quot;evolutionist&quot;), haven&#039;t found any evidence suggesting all the mountains of the world erupted at the same time, and definitely not 65 mya.

In the end, the prose was heavily laced with rhetoric, jumpy conclusions, and unsupported claims that a person would have to be an expert, to verify or disprove.

The only compelling books I&#039;ve read for creationism were really more about consciousness and quantum physics:  Biocentrism by Robert Lanza, and How Consciousness Creates the Material World, by Amit Gosmit.  I think the title speak for themselves, and unlike Mr. Nienhuis&#039;s book, the writing is scientific, and the concepts are explained in such a way that you don&#039;t need to be an expert to understand them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read some of  James I. Nienhuis&#8217;s book Old Earth Why Not, it reminded me of another not very scientific book called Compelling Evidence for Creationism.  The thing is neither arguments were very compelling.  For one, Nienbuis claims that &#8220;evolutionists&#8221; believe the mountains were created 65 mya, I have never read or heard that, so I Googled it, while there were various answers only one identified a window of time that included 65 mya, and that was only for the Rocky Mountains.  I&#8217;m pretty sure that geologists (that&#8217;s the scientific term for someone who studies rocks and the age of the planet, not &#8220;evolutionist&#8221;), haven&#8217;t found any evidence suggesting all the mountains of the world erupted at the same time, and definitely not 65 mya.</p>
<p>In the end, the prose was heavily laced with rhetoric, jumpy conclusions, and unsupported claims that a person would have to be an expert, to verify or disprove.</p>
<p>The only compelling books I&#8217;ve read for creationism were really more about consciousness and quantum physics:  Biocentrism by Robert Lanza, and How Consciousness Creates the Material World, by Amit Gosmit.  I think the title speak for themselves, and unlike Mr. Nienhuis&#8217;s book, the writing is scientific, and the concepts are explained in such a way that you don&#8217;t need to be an expert to understand them.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/11/15/sarah-palin-on-the-origin-of-species/#comment-12762</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; Other examples of evolution in the present: methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureus
Or possibly survival of the fittest?
&gt;&gt;fish getting smaller since we fishnet them
Or the survivors passing on their stunted genetic material
&gt;&gt;elephant ivory getting smaller to
Again, surviving organisms would logically pass on that genetic trait
&gt;&gt;and those are only the first examples to come to mind for a half-decently educated &gt;non-specialist.

Uh, again the vanity. These examples do NOT support the thesis that a new species can be created from other, less complex creatures. Thermodynamics tells us that all systems are given to entropy, that includes us humans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Other examples of evolution in the present: methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureus<br />
Or possibly survival of the fittest?<br />
&gt;&gt;fish getting smaller since we fishnet them<br />
Or the survivors passing on their stunted genetic material<br />
&gt;&gt;elephant ivory getting smaller to<br />
Again, surviving organisms would logically pass on that genetic trait<br />
&gt;&gt;and those are only the first examples to come to mind for a half-decently educated &gt;non-specialist.</p>
<p>Uh, again the vanity. These examples do NOT support the thesis that a new species can be created from other, less complex creatures. Thermodynamics tells us that all systems are given to entropy, that includes us humans.</p>
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		<title>By: James I. Nienhuis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/11/15/sarah-palin-on-the-origin-of-species/#comment-12761</link>
		<dc:creator>James I. Nienhuis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that supposed to be a rebuttal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that supposed to be a rebuttal?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/11/15/sarah-palin-on-the-origin-of-species/#comment-12760</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James Nienhuis,

You make db sound reasonable.

That&#039;s not a compliment to either of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James Nienhuis,</p>
<p>You make db sound reasonable.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a compliment to either of you.</p>
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		<title>By: James I. Nienhuis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/11/15/sarah-palin-on-the-origin-of-species/#comment-12759</link>
		<dc:creator>James I. Nienhuis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And RFL, almost all the geologic record indicates a hydrologic cataclysm (the mountains rose at the close of the flood), not hundreds of trangressions of the ocean on and off the continents.  Did you know that at current erosion rates, all the continents would be leveled to sea level within 15 million years, so how can those rocks be hundreds of millions of years old?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And RFL, almost all the geologic record indicates a hydrologic cataclysm (the mountains rose at the close of the flood), not hundreds of trangressions of the ocean on and off the continents.  Did you know that at current erosion rates, all the continents would be leveled to sea level within 15 million years, so how can those rocks be hundreds of millions of years old?</p>
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		<title>By: James I. Nienhuis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/11/15/sarah-palin-on-the-origin-of-species/#comment-12758</link>
		<dc:creator>James I. Nienhuis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going Rogue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going Rogue!</p>
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		<title>By: SLC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/11/15/sarah-palin-on-the-origin-of-species/#comment-12757</link>
		<dc:creator>SLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The saddest part of the Palin saga is that her father is a high school biology teacher who accepts the theory of evolution.  She has been quoted as stating that they have discussed this issue and that she does not agree with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The saddest part of the Palin saga is that her father is a high school biology teacher who accepts the theory of evolution.  She has been quoted as stating that they have discussed this issue and that she does not agree with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay D. Stephens</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/11/15/sarah-palin-on-the-origin-of-species/#comment-12756</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay D. Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So she doesn&#039;t believe. I haven&#039;t seen anything on the news about the world coming to an end. She isn&#039;t a scientist, so regardless of what she believes, it&#039;s hardly worth considering as consequential. As far as I know, she hasn&#039;t advanced any philosophy one way or the other. We can all take a deeeeeeeeeep breath and relax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So she doesn&#8217;t believe. I haven&#8217;t seen anything on the news about the world coming to an end. She isn&#8217;t a scientist, so regardless of what she believes, it&#8217;s hardly worth considering as consequential. As far as I know, she hasn&#8217;t advanced any philosophy one way or the other. We can all take a deeeeeeeeeep breath and relax.</p>
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		<title>By: Drosera</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/11/15/sarah-palin-on-the-origin-of-species/#comment-12755</link>
		<dc:creator>Drosera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James L. Nienhuis saith:

&lt;blockquote&gt;When all the “species” of animals are reduced to their respective syngameons, there need have been only about twenty thousand syngameons of animals (biblical kinds) on Noah’s Ark, and remember, the mountains rose at the close of the flood, so enough of that strawman argument that Noah’s Flood could not have covered the Himalayas, because it didn’t, the mountains rose at the close of the flood.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolutely. And did you know, Jack and the Beanstalk is a true story as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James L. Nienhuis saith:</p>
<blockquote><p>When all the “species” of animals are reduced to their respective syngameons, there need have been only about twenty thousand syngameons of animals (biblical kinds) on Noah’s Ark, and remember, the mountains rose at the close of the flood, so enough of that strawman argument that Noah’s Flood could not have covered the Himalayas, because it didn’t, the mountains rose at the close of the flood.</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely. And did you know, Jack and the Beanstalk is a true story as well!</p>
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		<title>By: James I. Nienhuis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/11/15/sarah-palin-on-the-origin-of-species/#comment-12754</link>
		<dc:creator>James I. Nienhuis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term syngameon, such as the syngameon including lions, tigers, and leopards, renders the term species meaningless, so darwinists in their ostensible tradition of good science should admit that the syngameon concept is practical for genetic studies, while species, obviously meaningless, is just a term picked out of thin air, as species usually are just &quot;sub-syngameons,&quot; so get with the program you darwinists.

When all the &quot;species&quot; of animals are reduced to their respective syngameons, there need have been only about twenty thousand syngameons of animals (biblical kinds) on Noah&#039;s Ark, and remember, the mountains rose at the close of the flood, so enough of that strawman argument that Noah&#039;s Flood could not have covered the Himalayas, because it didn&#039;t, the mountains rose at the close of the flood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term syngameon, such as the syngameon including lions, tigers, and leopards, renders the term species meaningless, so darwinists in their ostensible tradition of good science should admit that the syngameon concept is practical for genetic studies, while species, obviously meaningless, is just a term picked out of thin air, as species usually are just &#8220;sub-syngameons,&#8221; so get with the program you darwinists.</p>
<p>When all the &#8220;species&#8221; of animals are reduced to their respective syngameons, there need have been only about twenty thousand syngameons of animals (biblical kinds) on Noah&#8217;s Ark, and remember, the mountains rose at the close of the flood, so enough of that strawman argument that Noah&#8217;s Flood could not have covered the Himalayas, because it didn&#8217;t, the mountains rose at the close of the flood.</p>
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