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	<title>Comments on: Why Madagascar&#8217;s Tapeworms Matter&#8211;To You</title>
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	<description>A blog about life, past and future. Written by DISCOVER contributing editor and columnist Carl Zimmer.</description>
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		<title>By: [citation needed]&#187; Blog Archive &#187; in brief&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2010/04/26/why-madagascars-tapeworms-matter-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-30611</link>
		<dc:creator>[citation needed]&#187; Blog Archive &#187; in brief&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 06:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] typical fashion, Carl Zimmer has a wonderful blog up post explaining why tapeworms in Madagascar tell us something important about human [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Carl Zimmer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2010/04/26/why-madagascars-tapeworms-matter-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-30525</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Zimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1199379/?tool=pubmed&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a 2005 paper&lt;/a&gt; on the topic you can read for free: 

&quot;The Dual Origin of the Malagasy in Island Southeast Asia and East Africa: Evidence from Maternal and Paternal Lineages&quot;

Linguistic and archaeological evidence about the origins of the Malagasy, the indigenous peoples of Madagascar, points to mixed African and Indonesian ancestry. By contrast, genetic evidence about the origins of the Malagasy has hitherto remained partial and imprecise. We defined 26 Y-chromosomal lineages by typing 44 Y-chromosomal polymorphisms in 362 males from four different ethnic groups from Madagascar and 10 potential ancestral populations in Island Southeast Asia and the Pacific. We also compared mitochondrial sequence diversity in the Malagasy with a manually curated database of 19,371 hypervariable segment I sequences, incorporating both published and unpublished data. We could attribute every maternal and paternal lineage found in the Malagasy to a likely geographic origin. Here, we demonstrate approximately equal African and Indonesian contributions to both paternal and maternal Malagasy lineages. The most likely origin of the Asia-derived paternal lineages found in the Malagasy is Borneo. This agrees strikingly with the linguistic evidence that the languages spoken around the Barito River in southern Borneo are the closest extant relatives of Malagasy languages. As a result of their equally balanced admixed ancestry, the Malagasy may represent an ideal population in which to identify loci underlying complex traits of both anthropological and medical interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1199379/?tool=pubmed" rel="nofollow">a 2005 paper</a> on the topic you can read for free: </p>
<p>&#8220;The Dual Origin of the Malagasy in Island Southeast Asia and East Africa: Evidence from Maternal and Paternal Lineages&#8221;</p>
<p>Linguistic and archaeological evidence about the origins of the Malagasy, the indigenous peoples of Madagascar, points to mixed African and Indonesian ancestry. By contrast, genetic evidence about the origins of the Malagasy has hitherto remained partial and imprecise. We defined 26 Y-chromosomal lineages by typing 44 Y-chromosomal polymorphisms in 362 males from four different ethnic groups from Madagascar and 10 potential ancestral populations in Island Southeast Asia and the Pacific. We also compared mitochondrial sequence diversity in the Malagasy with a manually curated database of 19,371 hypervariable segment I sequences, incorporating both published and unpublished data. We could attribute every maternal and paternal lineage found in the Malagasy to a likely geographic origin. Here, we demonstrate approximately equal African and Indonesian contributions to both paternal and maternal Malagasy lineages. The most likely origin of the Asia-derived paternal lineages found in the Malagasy is Borneo. This agrees strikingly with the linguistic evidence that the languages spoken around the Barito River in southern Borneo are the closest extant relatives of Malagasy languages. As a result of their equally balanced admixed ancestry, the Malagasy may represent an ideal population in which to identify loci underlying complex traits of both anthropological and medical interest.</p>
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		<title>By: chris johnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2010/04/26/why-madagascars-tapeworms-matter-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-30524</link>
		<dc:creator>chris johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to the discussion of the colonisation of Madagascar - 

I had understood that the Asian people arrived first, and the Africans joined them about 1000 years later. I think there is archaeological evidence supporting this. The Africans introduced cattle, which the Asians did not have. I had also assumed that the Asians got there more or less directly by boat, but I have never understood how they managed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to the discussion of the colonisation of Madagascar &#8211; </p>
<p>I had understood that the Asian people arrived first, and the Africans joined them about 1000 years later. I think there is archaeological evidence supporting this. The Africans introduced cattle, which the Asians did not have. I had also assumed that the Asians got there more or less directly by boat, but I have never understood how they managed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Schmidt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 06:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read that some of the African settlers didn&#039;t come there voluntarily, but as slaves.  Re Laura&#039;s idea that the mixing happened beforehand arrival, that&#039;s probably true in part, but there are differences in appearance and I believe gene expression in different parts of the island that suggest the mixing was not complete.

My question - how does the tapeworm history fit with the bottleneck theory for human populations?  If humans went through a bottleneck of very small populations, especially for an extended period as has been suggested by some, like Sarah Hrdy, it seems unlikely that the LCA for tapeworms would be hundreds of thousands of years earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read that some of the African settlers didn&#8217;t come there voluntarily, but as slaves.  Re Laura&#8217;s idea that the mixing happened beforehand arrival, that&#8217;s probably true in part, but there are differences in appearance and I believe gene expression in different parts of the island that suggest the mixing was not complete.</p>
<p>My question &#8211; how does the tapeworm history fit with the bottleneck theory for human populations?  If humans went through a bottleneck of very small populations, especially for an extended period as has been suggested by some, like Sarah Hrdy, it seems unlikely that the LCA for tapeworms would be hundreds of thousands of years earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: zackoz</title>
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		<dc:creator>zackoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 07:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Laura, I had not heard of that twist to the story, esp the genetic side of it. In pre-modern times, trade routes certainly existed between modern Indonesia and India, and then down the African coast. That may make more sense than an Austronesian voyage straight across the Indian Ocean. Despite the ethnic mixture, I think it is true to say that the dominant strain is Austronesian?

As an Indonesian speaker, I have Madagascar on my list of places to visit, but unfortunately the list is a theoretical if-only-I-could one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Laura, I had not heard of that twist to the story, esp the genetic side of it. In pre-modern times, trade routes certainly existed between modern Indonesia and India, and then down the African coast. That may make more sense than an Austronesian voyage straight across the Indian Ocean. Despite the ethnic mixture, I think it is true to say that the dominant strain is Austronesian?</p>
<p>As an Indonesian speaker, I have Madagascar on my list of places to visit, but unfortunately the list is a theoretical if-only-I-could one!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2010/04/26/why-madagascars-tapeworms-matter-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-30497</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to zackoz, you are correct that the Malagasy language is an austronesian language, particularly closely related to languages spoken in present-day Borneo. However, genetic evidence of contemporary Malagasy people shows that they are roughly half-African and half-Asian. There are other clues that point to their dual origin in Asia and Africa -- the prevalence of cultural customs with ties to both areas, as well as a fair about of Bantu-derived words in the Malagasy language. 

From my understanding, most would claim that the people who arrived in Madagascar starting around 2000 years ago were probably a combination of the two BEFORE arrival, rather than arriving in two distinct waves as this article suggests. In other words, some folks from the Indonesia area traveled westward along the coast, past India, to Eastern Africa, and their mixed descendants then headed east to Madagascar. But it is really hard to say how Madagascar was settled, given the lack of archaeological evidence.

Fascinating article nevertheless! Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to zackoz, you are correct that the Malagasy language is an austronesian language, particularly closely related to languages spoken in present-day Borneo. However, genetic evidence of contemporary Malagasy people shows that they are roughly half-African and half-Asian. There are other clues that point to their dual origin in Asia and Africa &#8212; the prevalence of cultural customs with ties to both areas, as well as a fair about of Bantu-derived words in the Malagasy language. </p>
<p>From my understanding, most would claim that the people who arrived in Madagascar starting around 2000 years ago were probably a combination of the two BEFORE arrival, rather than arriving in two distinct waves as this article suggests. In other words, some folks from the Indonesia area traveled westward along the coast, past India, to Eastern Africa, and their mixed descendants then headed east to Madagascar. But it is really hard to say how Madagascar was settled, given the lack of archaeological evidence.</p>
<p>Fascinating article nevertheless! Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: zackoz</title>
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		<dc:creator>zackoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 03:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first time I&#039;ve heard the claim that the Bantu settled Madagascar,  as well as Asians. How solid is that information? From genetic studies, perhaps?

I had understood that Madagascar was settled in the past 1500-2000 years or so from what is now Indonesian Borneo. The Malagasy language of the island is most closely related to the language of the Barito area in southern Borneo. This is part of the most widespread (pre-modern) language group in the world, the Austronesian group, stretching from Madagascar to Easter Island.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first time I&#8217;ve heard the claim that the Bantu settled Madagascar,  as well as Asians. How solid is that information? From genetic studies, perhaps?</p>
<p>I had understood that Madagascar was settled in the past 1500-2000 years or so from what is now Indonesian Borneo. The Malagasy language of the island is most closely related to the language of the Barito area in southern Borneo. This is part of the most widespread (pre-modern) language group in the world, the Austronesian group, stretching from Madagascar to Easter Island.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 00:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you heard of Hopi Wisdom? If not - find out about it. Yes, everything is really connected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you heard of Hopi Wisdom? If not &#8211; find out about it. Yes, everything is really connected.</p>
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		<title>By: Bellhalla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bellhalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should the last sentence actually say &quot;… when our ancestors had YET to invent fire or spoken language.&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should the last sentence actually say &#8220;… when our ancestors had YET to invent fire or spoken language.&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article!

Am I a Luddite if I hate the word &quot;hominins&quot;? 

(Also: You might fix &quot;riduclously&quot; in the next to last graf, and then delete this part of this comment.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!</p>
<p>Am I a Luddite if I hate the word &#8220;hominins&#8221;? </p>
<p>(Also: You might fix &#8220;riduclously&#8221; in the next to last graf, and then delete this part of this comment.)</p>
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