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	<title>Comments on: Oldest Homo sapiens fossil? Journalistic vaporware</title>
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		<title>By: mark v</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my physical anthropology prof actually warned us about this incessant need to declare a new species by minor alterations. like H. erectus with smaller feet, to him was still a small foot erectus. teeth, by way of example, were shown to not be indicative of speciation. in a study, which i cant remember but probably can be googled with the right search, it was found that teeth are not even rudimentary consituent in evolutionary sense (save the primate formula 2/1/3)  this holds true, even with subspecies of lemuridae and monkeys. there are key things in this article i do entirely appreciate . with the recent we are genetically related to H. Neadratalensis and its subsequent abuse in the media, i accolade this articles approach to a similar situation. 4 or 5 percent of (pick your favorite race really) humans genetics have neandrathalensis in them?? i would expect that, they are a species of homo, just like us. (it is like we have teeth slightly similar to neandratal so we must be related, or more to the illustration we have teeth simular to lemurs so we must be related...well yea, we are primate, i would expect nothing else)...ok my main point against this is the abuse of cladistics . we may as well say we are genetically related to fox bats, they are stereoscopically binocular vision as we are...) ; truth is, if they can extract even fossil dna and analyze the MtDNA then we would have a greater fix on which species these are. bravo on a good and sane article thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my physical anthropology prof actually warned us about this incessant need to declare a new species by minor alterations. like H. erectus with smaller feet, to him was still a small foot erectus. teeth, by way of example, were shown to not be indicative of speciation. in a study, which i cant remember but probably can be googled with the right search, it was found that teeth are not even rudimentary consituent in evolutionary sense (save the primate formula 2/1/3)  this holds true, even with subspecies of lemuridae and monkeys. there are key things in this article i do entirely appreciate . with the recent we are genetically related to H. Neadratalensis and its subsequent abuse in the media, i accolade this articles approach to a similar situation. 4 or 5 percent of (pick your favorite race really) humans genetics have neandrathalensis in them?? i would expect that, they are a species of homo, just like us. (it is like we have teeth slightly similar to neandratal so we must be related, or more to the illustration we have teeth simular to lemurs so we must be related&#8230;well yea, we are primate, i would expect nothing else)&#8230;ok my main point against this is the abuse of cladistics . we may as well say we are genetically related to fox bats, they are stereoscopically binocular vision as we are&#8230;) ; truth is, if they can extract even fossil dna and analyze the MtDNA then we would have a greater fix on which species these are. bravo on a good and sane article thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Evolution: ask your questions here - Page 2 - Religious Education Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evolution: ask your questions here - Page 2 - Religious Education Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 06:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] originated in Africa?    If you are referring to the fossil discussed in this thread, please read this article (which I linked to in that thread [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Valters Grivins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valters Grivins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 22:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By my mind dating of strata with possible error of 200 000 years is very obscure. If this strata was actually formed in time given (e.g. 200 000 years), then there would be not one, but many strata in situ, each with it&#039;s own age. I would like to see all stratification and methods used for dating of exact strata the teeth were found in. Carl, if You have access to full text of this article, could You inform us about these questions? So far i am tended to think that it&#039;s a political rather than scientific announcement.
P.S. Press releases are becoming more and more yellow recently. Last week i found &quot;news&quot; about &quot;discoveries&quot; of bacterial immune system mechanisms (viral origins of those), which in fact were profoundly described already in 2009, if not even earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By my mind dating of strata with possible error of 200 000 years is very obscure. If this strata was actually formed in time given (e.g. 200 000 years), then there would be not one, but many strata in situ, each with it&#8217;s own age. I would like to see all stratification and methods used for dating of exact strata the teeth were found in. Carl, if You have access to full text of this article, could You inform us about these questions? So far i am tended to think that it&#8217;s a political rather than scientific announcement.<br />
P.S. Press releases are becoming more and more yellow recently. Last week i found &#8220;news&#8221; about &#8220;discoveries&#8221; of bacterial immune system mechanisms (viral origins of those), which in fact were profoundly described already in 2009, if not even earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Evidence of early man found in Israel - Page 4 - Religious Education Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evidence of early man found in Israel - Page 4 - Religious Education Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 22:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Zimmer has a good article on this paper. A pertinent quote: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 400,000 Year Old Human Teeth? &#171; Life &#171; Science Today: Beyond the Headlines</title>
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		<dc:creator>400,000 Year Old Human Teeth? &#171; Life &#171; Science Today: Beyond the Headlines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 20:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] your horses, say Carl Zimmer, Brian Switek, Nature News and Forbes, That’s not what this study [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Denti umani di 400.000 anni fa?/2 &#171; Il Fatto Storico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denti umani di 400.000 anni fa?/2 &#171; Il Fatto Storico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] umana&#8221; è stato seguito da forti critiche nella blogosfera (come quelle di Carl Zimmer e Brian [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Modern insanın evrimsel tarihi değişemez!* &#171; Naturalis Histeria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Modern insanın evrimsel tarihi değişemez!* &#171; Naturalis Histeria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bulgular ortaya çıkardık&#8221; demekten de hala geri kalmıyor, anlayabilmek mümkün değil. Carl Zimmer&#8216;in de dediği gibi, ortada bizim görmediğimiz başka bir makale mi var yahu? Yazsaydın ya [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bulgular ortaya çıkardık&#8221; demekten de hala geri kalmıyor, anlayabilmek mümkün değil. Carl Zimmer&#8216;in de dediği gibi, ortada bizim görmediğimiz başka bir makale mi var yahu? Yazsaydın ya [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Four Stone Hearth: Volume 110 &#171; Afarensis: Anthropology, Evolution, and Science</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2010/12/29/oldest-homo-sapiens-fossil-journalistic-vaporware/comment-page-1/#comment-52174</link>
		<dc:creator>Four Stone Hearth: Volume 110 &#171; Afarensis: Anthropology, Evolution, and Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Carl Zimmer looks at this question as well in Oldest Homo sapiens fossil? Journalistic vaporware. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 03:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a lumper, especially now with Neanderthal genes in New Guinea.

All one Homo sapiens as a species with varieties such as Neanderthal, Hiedelburg man, Densovoians, and of course modern humans.

Saves a lot of contentious, scientifically silly argumentation.  These people in the Israel cave were just another variety of H. sapiens, slightly different morphology since not much gene flow between the widely spread and few tribes.

As probably the best evidence is now lost under the interglacial sea highstands, we have only the remains of some of the hill people available for study.  Nonetheless, I still find Alan Templeton&#039;s gene flow study to well represent the unity of genus Homo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a lumper, especially now with Neanderthal genes in New Guinea.</p>
<p>All one Homo sapiens as a species with varieties such as Neanderthal, Hiedelburg man, Densovoians, and of course modern humans.</p>
<p>Saves a lot of contentious, scientifically silly argumentation.  These people in the Israel cave were just another variety of H. sapiens, slightly different morphology since not much gene flow between the widely spread and few tribes.</p>
<p>As probably the best evidence is now lost under the interglacial sea highstands, we have only the remains of some of the hill people available for study.  Nonetheless, I still find Alan Templeton&#8217;s gene flow study to well represent the unity of genus Homo.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob In Pacifica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob In Pacifica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 05:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great explanation of the story. When it came out it didn&#039;t make sense to me, but I&#039;m only a layman. This piece, and many of the comments, help clarify the odor I was getting from the initial news release. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great explanation of the story. When it came out it didn&#8217;t make sense to me, but I&#8217;m only a layman. This piece, and many of the comments, help clarify the odor I was getting from the initial news release. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your indignation appears somewhat premature, given that you yourself have not interviewed professor Gopher.  Once you have accomplished that  obligatory journalistic task, your input will be more meaningful on this topic.

Thanks.

&lt;strong&gt;[CZ: My attention is focused on the journalists in this case. While interviewing scientists is important for an article, reading the original papers is too.]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your indignation appears somewhat premature, given that you yourself have not interviewed professor Gopher.  Once you have accomplished that  obligatory journalistic task, your input will be more meaningful on this topic.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p><strong>[CZ: My attention is focused on the journalists in this case. While interviewing scientists is important for an article, reading the original papers is too.]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Mister Mann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 17:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the statements on journalistic ethics from a scientific view point. However; the two mental species while both questioning, widely vary within there reasoning. This is whereas a being speaking as a scientist is excited about knowledge gained, whereas a being speaking from a journalistic view point and therefore view of the said subject matter is looking at it from an entirely different place. This final (journalistic placing) would be one looking to find one with a &quot;Grab&quot; to it if you will. Whereas the scientist one is excited about the actual knowledge, and therefore spewing information in a hap-hazard fashion through excitement.

Basically the journalist is looking for a selling point. So the article is written by a journalist from that view point. These things, and especially in the popular media format much like the huge impact of finding that male and female monkeys play with sticks in a differing manner based on there sexual biology, would happen to be nothing more than a selling point.

So the break down in this commentary piece tells us much in one way, but still tells us nothing we did not already know in another. Yes; I can meet a cheer leader at a party, and I can meet a science major at a party. They can both have been involved in the intake of alcoholic beverage as well. However; I can tell the cheer leader my studies are to be a doctor thereby luring her to coital activities, especially if she is already inebriated. If I tell the science major this she will most likely as questions along the line of my studies, and know if I am telling the truth.

The point is the cheer leader is looking for that which is attractive on the surface, whereas the scientist would be looking to view said issues from the base up if you will. The journalist does the same, and then tries to make you see this attraction. The fact you cannot see it from both sides, and supposedly consider your self of a higher thinking nature is disconcerting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the statements on journalistic ethics from a scientific view point. However; the two mental species while both questioning, widely vary within there reasoning. This is whereas a being speaking as a scientist is excited about knowledge gained, whereas a being speaking from a journalistic view point and therefore view of the said subject matter is looking at it from an entirely different place. This final (journalistic placing) would be one looking to find one with a &#8220;Grab&#8221; to it if you will. Whereas the scientist one is excited about the actual knowledge, and therefore spewing information in a hap-hazard fashion through excitement.</p>
<p>Basically the journalist is looking for a selling point. So the article is written by a journalist from that view point. These things, and especially in the popular media format much like the huge impact of finding that male and female monkeys play with sticks in a differing manner based on there sexual biology, would happen to be nothing more than a selling point.</p>
<p>So the break down in this commentary piece tells us much in one way, but still tells us nothing we did not already know in another. Yes; I can meet a cheer leader at a party, and I can meet a science major at a party. They can both have been involved in the intake of alcoholic beverage as well. However; I can tell the cheer leader my studies are to be a doctor thereby luring her to coital activities, especially if she is already inebriated. If I tell the science major this she will most likely as questions along the line of my studies, and know if I am telling the truth.</p>
<p>The point is the cheer leader is looking for that which is attractive on the surface, whereas the scientist would be looking to view said issues from the base up if you will. The journalist does the same, and then tries to make you see this attraction. The fact you cannot see it from both sides, and supposedly consider your self of a higher thinking nature is disconcerting.</p>
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		<title>By: Will a new discovery rewrite human evolution? at Skeptical Science</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will a new discovery rewrite human evolution? at Skeptical Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 15:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] they are not modern human teeth. Carl Zimmer has the paper&#8217;s abstract on his blog and also takes you through the details here &#8230; Brian Switek, the science writer, also pulls it all apart on his blog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] they are not modern human teeth. Carl Zimmer has the paper&#8217;s abstract on his blog and also takes you through the details here &#8230; Brian Switek, the science writer, also pulls it all apart on his blog [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Meadon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Meadon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl, unless I&#039;m rather confused this morning, I think there&#039;s a slight mistake in your terminology. You say hominin refers to &quot;species closer to us than to chimpanzees&quot; but the tribe &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominini&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hominini&lt;/a&gt; actually includes humans and the two species of &lt;i&gt;Pan&lt;/i&gt;. The correct term for your definition, I believe, is hominan, corresponding to the subtribe &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominina&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hominina&lt;/a&gt;. 

(Of course, usage conventions change and are somewhat variable. AFAIK, the above represents consensus, but since I&#039;m not a physical anthropologist, I could just be confused or misinformed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, unless I&#8217;m rather confused this morning, I think there&#8217;s a slight mistake in your terminology. You say hominin refers to &#8220;species closer to us than to chimpanzees&#8221; but the tribe <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominini" rel="nofollow">Hominini</a> actually includes humans and the two species of <i>Pan</i>. The correct term for your definition, I believe, is hominan, corresponding to the subtribe <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominina" rel="nofollow">Hominina</a>. </p>
<p>(Of course, usage conventions change and are somewhat variable. AFAIK, the above represents consensus, but since I&#8217;m not a physical anthropologist, I could just be confused or misinformed).</p>
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		<title>By: 220mya</title>
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		<dc:creator>220mya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 03:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On another note - dear god, when will anthropologists learn modern phylogenetics?  Its &lt;I&gt;&#039;plesiomorphic&#039;&lt;/I&gt; people!  Not &#039;plesiomorphous&#039;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another note &#8211; dear god, when will anthropologists learn modern phylogenetics?  Its <i>&#8216;plesiomorphic&#8217;</i> people!  Not &#8216;plesiomorphous&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: 220mya</title>
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		<dc:creator>220mya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 03:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl - your link to the paper at the beginning of the post includes the part of the URL for your specific proxy connection (NYU apparently).  Here&#039;s the naked link: &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.21446&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.21446&lt;/A&gt;  or this: &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.21446/abstract&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.21446/abstract&lt;/A&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl &#8211; your link to the paper at the beginning of the post includes the part of the URL for your specific proxy connection (NYU apparently).  Here&#8217;s the naked link: <a HREF="http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.21446" rel="nofollow">http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.21446</a>  or this: <a HREF="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.21446/abstract" rel="nofollow">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.21446/abstract</a></p>
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		<title>By: Quick Links &#124; A Blog Around The Clock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quick Links &#124; A Blog Around The Clock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] am I suddenly so busy?  Oldest Homo sapiens fossil? Journalistic vaporware and A Fistful of Teeth – Do the Qesem Cave Fossils Really Change Our Understanding of Human [...]</description>
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		<title>By: El PaleoFreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>El PaleoFreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Qesem teeth–in some respects–lack distinctive Neanderthal features. Perhaps they are human&quot;

Weren&#039;t neandertals humans? 
Why this new trend of equating &quot;human&quot; = sapiens?

&lt;strong&gt;[CZ: &quot;Human&quot; is a common name, so it lacks the precision of a species name. Here I&#039;m using it as equal to Homo sapiens. There&#039;s a lot of debate about whether Neanderthals belong in a separate species or not.]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Qesem teeth–in some respects–lack distinctive Neanderthal features. Perhaps they are human&#8221;</p>
<p>Weren&#8217;t neandertals humans?<br />
Why this new trend of equating &#8220;human&#8221; = sapiens?</p>
<p><strong>[CZ: "Human" is a common name, so it lacks the precision of a species name. Here I'm using it as equal to Homo sapiens. There's a lot of debate about whether Neanderthals belong in a separate species or not.]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: rwhake</title>
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		<dc:creator>rwhake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahh, something i can sink my teeth into.  the discussion of bloviation vs. elucidation and the merits of each is a sideline to the fact that we can depend on the blogger for clarification.  that in itself is part of the elusive search.  as for the age of my ancestors, whooeee, line up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahh, something i can sink my teeth into.  the discussion of bloviation vs. elucidation and the merits of each is a sideline to the fact that we can depend on the blogger for clarification.  that in itself is part of the elusive search.  as for the age of my ancestors, whooeee, line up!</p>
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		<title>By: Cochese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cochese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Vaporware:

His use of the word vaporware is contextualized once he added the modifier of &quot;journalistic&quot; before the word vaporware, thus applying the term. He essentially turned it into a metaphor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Vaporware:</p>
<p>His use of the word vaporware is contextualized once he added the modifier of &#8220;journalistic&#8221; before the word vaporware, thus applying the term. He essentially turned it into a metaphor.</p>
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		<title>By: whoschad</title>
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		<dc:creator>whoschad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usually during the Christmas season we get breaking news that proves to rewrite everything we know about Jesus and or Christianity. Finding themselves without a suitable headline this year, it seems they have turned to other subjects. At what point do these media outlets deserve the name &#039;tabloid&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually during the Christmas season we get breaking news that proves to rewrite everything we know about Jesus and or Christianity. Finding themselves without a suitable headline this year, it seems they have turned to other subjects. At what point do these media outlets deserve the name &#8216;tabloid&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Vaporware</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vaporware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you yourself use the word &quot;vaporware&quot; without knowing what it means. Vaporware is software that is announced, but never ships. What does that have to do with your article?

&lt;strong&gt;[CZ: It&#039;s a metaphor for big announcements with nothing behind them.]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you yourself use the word &#8220;vaporware&#8221; without knowing what it means. Vaporware is software that is announced, but never ships. What does that have to do with your article?</p>
<p><strong>[CZ: It's a metaphor for big announcements with nothing behind them.]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Ciencia Kanija » ¿El fósil de Homo Sapiens más antiguo? Venta de humo periodística</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciencia Kanija » ¿El fósil de Homo Sapiens más antiguo? Venta de humo periodística</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] evolutiva de nuestra especie”. Autor: Carl Zimmer Fecha Original: 29 de diciembre de 2010 Enlace Original Articulos RelacionadosEl homínido sudafricano no es una nueva especie, defienden los [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] evolutiva de nuestra especie”. Autor: Carl Zimmer Fecha Original: 29 de diciembre de 2010 Enlace Original Articulos RelacionadosEl homínido sudafricano no es una nueva especie, defienden los [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Ferrari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Ferrari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of questions.
Don&#039;t you smell a whiff of arsenic here, Carl? 
And how many reporters you know that can let go Gopher&#039;s &quot;nod, nod, wink, wink&quot;, and understand your statement  “How exciting can this conclusion be, when you never actually made it in the paper?”. The right question would not be &quot;who read the paper&quot;, but &quot;who can understand the paper&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of questions.<br />
Don&#8217;t you smell a whiff of arsenic here, Carl?<br />
And how many reporters you know that can let go Gopher&#8217;s &#8220;nod, nod, wink, wink&#8221;, and understand your statement  “How exciting can this conclusion be, when you never actually made it in the paper?”. The right question would not be &#8220;who read the paper&#8221;, but &#8220;who can understand the paper&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin g</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 12:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor Gopher? Digging things up in the desert? Hmmmm . . .</description>
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