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		<title>By: feels like a Friday &#124;</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2011/01/16/scienceonline-the-future-book/#comment-15576</link>
		<dc:creator>feels like a Friday &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christina Pikas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2011/01/16/scienceonline-the-future-book/#comment-15575</link>
		<dc:creator>Christina Pikas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WRT textbooks, ebooks are attractive precisely because they *can&#039;t* be resold. They might not have to cost $100. Say you could have 12 months of access to a textbook outside your major for 50% of the print price and you could get it immediately. That model already exists, and it&#039;s pretty attractive all around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WRT textbooks, ebooks are attractive precisely because they *can&#8217;t* be resold. They might not have to cost $100. Say you could have 12 months of access to a textbook outside your major for 50% of the print price and you could get it immediately. That model already exists, and it&#8217;s pretty attractive all around.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat A</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2011/01/16/scienceonline-the-future-book/#comment-15574</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To over rely on the net could be the down fall of mankind.    What happens to the information should there be a serious eruption and dust cloud the atmosphere so info from satalites cannot be transmitted.   What happens in any emergency,  earthquake  when power is out.  Your i-pad might work but  the facility where your provider is located could quit working.
Give me a book I can sit and read when the power is out   or a puzzle book to use.
Pat

&lt;strong&gt;[CZ: Fair point. But how many books from the Library of Alexandria can you sit down with today?]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To over rely on the net could be the down fall of mankind.    What happens to the information should there be a serious eruption and dust cloud the atmosphere so info from satalites cannot be transmitted.   What happens in any emergency,  earthquake  when power is out.  Your i-pad might work but  the facility where your provider is located could quit working.<br />
Give me a book I can sit and read when the power is out   or a puzzle book to use.<br />
Pat</p>
<p><strong>[CZ: Fair point. But how many books from the Library of Alexandria can you sit down with today?]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Monkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 05:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Larry Moran (11)

Never even thought of that....good thoughts. I guess a total positive is the instant updating of material (oh how I hate it when I realize a kid has the 3rd edition instead of the 6th edition and while im teaching about XYZ they are reading about what we knew about XYZ 6 years or more ago....when your textbook cache has 60 books and you have 63 students, whatta ya going to do?).

Still, while smartboards and the like are expensively creeping into classrooms, and iEverything makes its way to the hands of the population the kids are going to want better stuff. My school was having a grand old time trying to turn the problem of cellphones (Jacob, please turnoff your cell phone) into a solution (Jacob, I see your phone is on..can you check wikipedia for us and see if they have posted anything new about XYZ...). I know....wiki as a primary source....bad..I know!!! Just an example. TEchnology in the classroom is going to be changing, and we need to stay ahead to optimize that which is education - learning - and fortify it with what the kids know/use, but sometimes the over-technologification (yeah, I just invented that word so Carl can toss it on his list :) ) of education ends up as a net loss. I see - highschool - textbooks as online formats only as a net loss, in the end. University, online learning, etc...potential. But there are economic costs, too, as Larry pointed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Larry Moran (11)</p>
<p>Never even thought of that&#8230;.good thoughts. I guess a total positive is the instant updating of material (oh how I hate it when I realize a kid has the 3rd edition instead of the 6th edition and while im teaching about XYZ they are reading about what we knew about XYZ 6 years or more ago&#8230;.when your textbook cache has 60 books and you have 63 students, whatta ya going to do?).</p>
<p>Still, while smartboards and the like are expensively creeping into classrooms, and iEverything makes its way to the hands of the population the kids are going to want better stuff. My school was having a grand old time trying to turn the problem of cellphones (Jacob, please turnoff your cell phone) into a solution (Jacob, I see your phone is on..can you check wikipedia for us and see if they have posted anything new about XYZ&#8230;). I know&#8230;.wiki as a primary source&#8230;.bad..I know!!! Just an example. TEchnology in the classroom is going to be changing, and we need to stay ahead to optimize that which is education &#8211; learning &#8211; and fortify it with what the kids know/use, but sometimes the over-technologification (yeah, I just invented that word so Carl can toss it on his list <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) of education ends up as a net loss. I see &#8211; highschool &#8211; textbooks as online formats only as a net loss, in the end. University, online learning, etc&#8230;potential. But there are economic costs, too, as Larry pointed out.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2011/01/16/scienceonline-the-future-book/#comment-15572</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 04:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: etextbook.

for classroom use I know I would never go there. It would be good for kids to be able to log on to their online text, use it at home (never forget their book!!!) but as a teacher I can never assume that all kids have internet, ipad,whatever. I need to revert to the baseline of technologies that I can give them. They may catch on in universities where computer access and personal time on computers is not a limitation, but for highschools it will never catch, for teachers or for kids. This also links into a &quot;computer for every kid in the classroom&quot; debate, in which there would have to be a screen at every desk in order to use the etext as we would use the real text. Good idea, limited practicality in todays classroom. Also, I fear the day all teaching is e-teaching. Not as a teacher, but as a learner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: etextbook.</p>
<p>for classroom use I know I would never go there. It would be good for kids to be able to log on to their online text, use it at home (never forget their book!!!) but as a teacher I can never assume that all kids have internet, ipad,whatever. I need to revert to the baseline of technologies that I can give them. They may catch on in universities where computer access and personal time on computers is not a limitation, but for highschools it will never catch, for teachers or for kids. This also links into a &#8220;computer for every kid in the classroom&#8221; debate, in which there would have to be a screen at every desk in order to use the etext as we would use the real text. Good idea, limited practicality in todays classroom. Also, I fear the day all teaching is e-teaching. Not as a teacher, but as a learner.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Moran</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2011/01/16/scienceonline-the-future-book/#comment-15571</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 00:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl asks,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Larry–as an author of a textbook, do you think etextbooks will become popular? That was another topic of discussion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They&#039;ll become popular as soon as the publishers figure out a way to recover their costs and make some profit. We&#039;re currently in the middle of producing the 5th edition of my book and right now there are eight people working full time on the project and half a dozen more working part time (including reviewers). They don&#039;t work for free.

Do you think students are going to pay $100 for an electronic version of a textbook that they can&#039;t re-sell?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl asks,</p>
<blockquote><p>Larry–as an author of a textbook, do you think etextbooks will become popular? That was another topic of discussion.</p></blockquote>
<p>They&#8217;ll become popular as soon as the publishers figure out a way to recover their costs and make some profit. We&#8217;re currently in the middle of producing the 5th edition of my book and right now there are eight people working full time on the project and half a dozen more working part time (including reviewers). They don&#8217;t work for free.</p>
<p>Do you think students are going to pay $100 for an electronic version of a textbook that they can&#8217;t re-sell?</p>
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		<title>By: Catharine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2011/01/16/scienceonline-the-future-book/#comment-15570</link>
		<dc:creator>Catharine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes it hard for most of us to imagine the book (as object) fading into history and being replaced by digital text are the enormous sensual pleasures associated with reading a book.  The way a book feels and smells, handling a book, turning pages...all of these things (at least for me) contribute to the great pleasure of reading.  What is a pleasure for us may feel clumsy and awkward for generations that follow.  My 14 yr old daughter, for example, reads far more on her Kindle than actual hard copies of books.

Interestingly, like hyper-local newspapers, new small presses are popping up all the time.  And the art of crafting homemade books is becoming more popular.

My opinion is that books will eventually become obsolete.  But most of us won&#039;t live to see that day.  The question becomes: Who, if anybody, will be able to make a living as a writer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes it hard for most of us to imagine the book (as object) fading into history and being replaced by digital text are the enormous sensual pleasures associated with reading a book.  The way a book feels and smells, handling a book, turning pages&#8230;all of these things (at least for me) contribute to the great pleasure of reading.  What is a pleasure for us may feel clumsy and awkward for generations that follow.  My 14 yr old daughter, for example, reads far more on her Kindle than actual hard copies of books.</p>
<p>Interestingly, like hyper-local newspapers, new small presses are popping up all the time.  And the art of crafting homemade books is becoming more popular.</p>
<p>My opinion is that books will eventually become obsolete.  But most of us won&#8217;t live to see that day.  The question becomes: Who, if anybody, will be able to make a living as a writer?</p>
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		<title>By: John Lynch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2011/01/16/scienceonline-the-future-book/#comment-15569</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you haven&#039;t seen it, check out Theodore Gray&#039;s &quot;The Elements&quot; on the iPad (app store). It is the best example I&#039;ve seen of a visual eBook. The Periodic Table is presented as a series of images of the actual elements where possible, and each entry includes various 3D models that you can spin, and a text description of what&#039;s interesting about each element. It&#039;s beautifully done, and I think it works well to increase understanding of what these elements are like. Considering the amount of effort that went into it, it&#039;s well worth $14.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you haven&#8217;t seen it, check out Theodore Gray&#8217;s &#8220;The Elements&#8221; on the iPad (app store). It is the best example I&#8217;ve seen of a visual eBook. The Periodic Table is presented as a series of images of the actual elements where possible, and each entry includes various 3D models that you can spin, and a text description of what&#8217;s interesting about each element. It&#8217;s beautifully done, and I think it works well to increase understanding of what these elements are like. Considering the amount of effort that went into it, it&#8217;s well worth $14.</p>
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		<title>By: Romeo Vitelli</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2011/01/16/scienceonline-the-future-book/#comment-15568</link>
		<dc:creator>Romeo Vitelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The future of the ebook may well be linked to the format in which the book is read.  Amazon and other ebook sellers seem to have committed themselves to marketing stand-alone book readers like the Kindle (though they are now offering equivalent apps for PC and Apple desktops).  It seems as if every publisher selling ebooks is obliged to offer it in in a variety of different formats to accomodate the various readers out there.  Maybe the real future of ebooks rests in  a universally accepted format (which seems unlikely at present).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The future of the ebook may well be linked to the format in which the book is read.  Amazon and other ebook sellers seem to have committed themselves to marketing stand-alone book readers like the Kindle (though they are now offering equivalent apps for PC and Apple desktops).  It seems as if every publisher selling ebooks is obliged to offer it in in a variety of different formats to accomodate the various readers out there.  Maybe the real future of ebooks rests in  a universally accepted format (which seems unlikely at present).</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burton</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2011/01/16/scienceonline-the-future-book/#comment-15567</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I downloaded the Eagleman app right away with pretty high expectations, and I have to say I was pleasantly surprised.  I didn&#039;t have difficulty with the pictures conflicting with the images when I turned the iPad to it&#039;s side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I downloaded the Eagleman app right away with pretty high expectations, and I have to say I was pleasantly surprised.  I didn&#8217;t have difficulty with the pictures conflicting with the images when I turned the iPad to it&#8217;s side.</p>
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