Comments on: The Birth of the New, The Rewiring of the Old http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/09/19/the-birth-of-the-new-the-rewiring-of-the-old/ Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:13:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: CrossExamined Blog » Blog Archive » The Latest From Lenski’s Lab http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/09/19/the-birth-of-the-new-the-rewiring-of-the-old/#comment-18963 CrossExamined Blog » Blog Archive » The Latest From Lenski’s Lab Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:15:06 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/?p=6293#comment-18963 [...] this new paper in Nature (which was also picked up by Carl Zimmer), the mechanistic basis for this apparent evolutionary innovation has now been identified. Ann [...] [...] this new paper in Nature (which was also picked up by Carl Zimmer), the mechanistic basis for this apparent evolutionary innovation has now been identified. Ann [...]

]]> By: The Latest From Lenski’s Lab | Uncommon Descent http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/09/19/the-birth-of-the-new-the-rewiring-of-the-old/#comment-18962 The Latest From Lenski’s Lab | Uncommon Descent Mon, 08 Oct 2012 10:46:06 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/?p=6293#comment-18962 [...] this new paper in Nature (which was also picked up by Carl Zimmer), the mechanistic basis for this apparent evolutionary innovation has now been identified. Ann [...] [...] this new paper in Nature (which was also picked up by Carl Zimmer), the mechanistic basis for this apparent evolutionary innovation has now been identified. Ann [...]

]]> By: ben http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/09/19/the-birth-of-the-new-the-rewiring-of-the-old/#comment-18961 ben Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:09:46 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/?p=6293#comment-18961 @22 Mark C Chu-Carroll: "That’s at the heart of the anti-evolution argument you’re making, and when you state it clearly, it looks quite foolish." Foolish? Remember you're talking about Joe Gallien, who will argue until he's blue in the face that ICE IS NOT WATER and that you can calculate the CSI content of a cake by counting the number of letters in the recipe. He's got the foolish market cornered. @22 Mark C Chu-Carroll: “That’s at the heart of the anti-evolution argument you’re making, and when you state it clearly, it looks quite foolish.”

Foolish? Remember you’re talking about Joe Gallien, who will argue until he’s blue in the face that ICE IS NOT WATER and that you can calculate the CSI content of a cake by counting the number of letters in the recipe. He’s got the foolish market cornered.

]]> By: The Birth of the New, The Rewiring of the Old « Xenophilia (True Strange Stuff) http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/09/19/the-birth-of-the-new-the-rewiring-of-the-old/#comment-18960 The Birth of the New, The Rewiring of the Old « Xenophilia (True Strange Stuff) Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:25:35 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/?p=6293#comment-18960 [...] Read More: The Birth of the New, The Rewiring of the Old | The Loom | Discover Magazine. [...] [...] Read More: The Birth of the New, The Rewiring of the Old | The Loom | Discover Magazine. [...]

]]> By: Joe G http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/09/19/the-birth-of-the-new-the-rewiring-of-the-old/#comment-18959 Joe G Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:37:15 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/?p=6293#comment-18959 Umm Rob E- Your first link just questions the research/ has questions about it and the second just tells it like it is. How is this attacking the research? Umm Rob E-

Your first link just questions the research/ has questions about it and the second just tells it like it is. How is this attacking the research?

]]> By: Joe G http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/09/19/the-birth-of-the-new-the-rewiring-of-the-old/#comment-18958 Joe G Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:34:33 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/?p=6293#comment-18958 Rob E- Answers in Genesis offers this: http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/georgia-purdom/2012/09/07/dear-huff-post-do-your-homework/ ICR offers: http://www.icr.org/article/werner-arber-nobel-laureate-darwin-skeptic/ Rob E-

Answers in Genesis offers this:

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/georgia-purdom/2012/09/07/dear-huff-post-do-your-homework/

ICR offers:

http://www.icr.org/article/werner-arber-nobel-laureate-darwin-skeptic/

]]> By: The Truth Will Set You Off! « Offlogic’s Weblog http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/09/19/the-birth-of-the-new-the-rewiring-of-the-old/#comment-18957 The Truth Will Set You Off! « Offlogic’s Weblog Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:29:17 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/?p=6293#comment-18957 [...] ho! The Birth of the Citrate Feeders: how our old buddy, E. coli, quit worrying about the lack of glucose and started metabolizing [...] [...] ho! The Birth of the Citrate Feeders: how our old buddy, E. coli, quit worrying about the lack of glucose and started metabolizing [...]

]]> By: Rob E http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/09/19/the-birth-of-the-new-the-rewiring-of-the-old/#comment-18956 Rob E Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:25:22 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/?p=6293#comment-18956 @ Joe G -- a quick internet search will show you several examples of YEC's and their ilk attacking this research, just as Childermass has said http://www.conservapedia.com/Richard_Lenski http://creation.com/bacteria-evolving-in-the-lab-lenski-citrate-digesting-e-coli Only posting two. Twenty second of searching through google results will show you a great deal more. But then, I don't actually expect you to bother with troublesome things like fact. @ Joe G –
a quick internet search will show you several examples of YEC’s and their ilk attacking this research, just as Childermass has said
http://www.conservapedia.com/Richard_Lenski
http://creation.com/bacteria-evolving-in-the-lab-lenski-citrate-digesting-e-coli

Only posting two. Twenty second of searching through google results will show you a great deal more. But then, I don’t actually expect you to bother with troublesome things like fact.

]]> By: Joe G http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/09/19/the-birth-of-the-new-the-rewiring-of-the-old/#comment-18955 Joe G Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:43:05 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/?p=6293#comment-18955 Alan Fox: <blockquote>What a beautiful demonstration of the power of natural selection at work.</blockquote> Umm the environment was artificially selected. And no one knows if the mutations were random. So in what way was natural selection at work? <blockquote>Professor Lenski and his team are to be congratulated on their persistence, patience and the results of this elegant mega-experiment..</blockquote> Yes, congratulated by Creationists because it supports their position and casts serious doubts on evolutionism. Alan Fox:

What a beautiful demonstration of the power of natural selection at work.

Umm the environment was artificially selected. And no one knows if the mutations were random.

So in what way was natural selection at work?

Professor Lenski and his team are to be congratulated on their persistence, patience and the results of this elegant mega-experiment..

Yes, congratulated by Creationists because it supports their position and casts serious doubts on evolutionism.

]]> By: Joe G http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2012/09/19/the-birth-of-the-new-the-rewiring-of-the-old/#comment-18954 Joe G Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:29:50 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/?p=6293#comment-18954 <b>1- No one knows that the mutations were random in any sense of the word.</b> Foir example, take a look at any bus on a computer's mother board. The 1s and 0s appear to be random, however we know they are not. The are directed by the program. Dr Spetner goes over mutations in "Not By Chance" and there isn't any justification for saying gene duplications are random/ chance events. <b>- Creationsust do NOT argue agaisnst gain of function mutations, neither does ID</b> That is a fact that not even amphiox can refute. But it sure can spew a false accusation. <b>3- No IC system evolved</b> Another fact- and it is very noticeable that amphiox couldn't produce any evidence that an IC system evolved via blind and undirected processes. Ya see "evolved" just means descent with modification/ a change in allele frequency over time. It says NOTHING about any mechanism. Meaning evolved by design is perfectly OK. 1- No one knows that the mutations were random in any sense of the word.

Foir example, take a look at any bus on a computer’s mother board. The 1s and 0s appear to be random, however we know they are not. The are directed by the program.

Dr Spetner goes over mutations in “Not By Chance” and there isn’t any justification for saying gene duplications are random/ chance events.

- Creationsust do NOT argue agaisnst gain of function mutations, neither does ID

That is a fact that not even amphiox can refute. But it sure can spew a false accusation.

3- No IC system evolved

Another fact- and it is very noticeable that amphiox couldn’t produce any evidence that an IC system evolved via blind and undirected processes. Ya see “evolved” just means descent with modification/ a change in allele frequency over time. It says NOTHING about any mechanism. Meaning evolved by design is perfectly OK.

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