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	<title>Comments on: Snake proteins have gone through massive evolutionary redesign</title>
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		<title>By: David Pollock</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2008/05/21/snake-proteins-have-gone-through-massive-evolutionary-redesign/#comment-455</link>
		<dc:creator>David Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 19:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,
I thought you might be interested in this related paper that just came out on molecular convergence:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/04/28/0900233106.abstract&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/04/28/0900233106.abstract&lt;/a&gt;
We really enjoyed reading your writeup of the snake adaptation paper. Excellent job.
David
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,<br />
I thought you might be interested in this related paper that just came out on molecular convergence:<br />
<a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/04/28/0900233106.abstract" rel="nofollow">http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/04/28/0900233106.abstract</a><br />
We really enjoyed reading your writeup of the snake adaptation paper. Excellent job.<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: David Marjanovi&#263;</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Marjanovi&#263;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Castoe suggests that you only have to look at the evolution of snakes to see a possible answer. Snake ancestors were lizard-like animals that took to a burrowing way of life. Their limbs were a hindrance and were gradually lost. Over time, their bodies elongated, and their right lung followed suit while their left lung became small and useless. They may have been rather a lot like the blind snakes that still live in the tropics today.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Or they may not have been.
The other hypothesis is that the snakes came from the sea, that their closest relatives are the dolichosaurs and the mighty mosasaurs; at least the mosasaurs routinely swallowed large prey whole, and almost all of the earliest known snakes (from the beginning of the Late Cretaceous) were marine. The burrowing adaptations of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2008/05/scolecophidians_invade.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blind-, thread- and wormsnakes&lt;/a&gt; are interpreted as a separate package of innovations under this scenario, which is bolstered by recent papers (2004, 2006) on the fossil madtsoiid snakes &lt;i&gt;Wonambi&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Yurlunggur&lt;/i&gt;.
The basic venom inventory is older than the snakes, too: it is shared with the anguimorphs (monitors, slow-worms etc.) and the iguanians (iguanas, agamas, chamaeleons etc.). Google &quot;Toxicofera&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Castoe suggests that you only have to look at the evolution of snakes to see a possible answer. Snake ancestors were lizard-like animals that took to a burrowing way of life. Their limbs were a hindrance and were gradually lost. Over time, their bodies elongated, and their right lung followed suit while their left lung became small and useless. They may have been rather a lot like the blind snakes that still live in the tropics today.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or they may not have been.<br />
The other hypothesis is that the snakes came from the sea, that their closest relatives are the dolichosaurs and the mighty mosasaurs; at least the mosasaurs routinely swallowed large prey whole, and almost all of the earliest known snakes (from the beginning of the Late Cretaceous) were marine. The burrowing adaptations of the <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2008/05/scolecophidians_invade.php" rel="nofollow">blind-, thread- and wormsnakes</a> are interpreted as a separate package of innovations under this scenario, which is bolstered by recent papers (2004, 2006) on the fossil madtsoiid snakes <i>Wonambi</i> and <i>Yurlunggur</i>.<br />
The basic venom inventory is older than the snakes, too: it is shared with the anguimorphs (monitors, slow-worms etc.) and the iguanians (iguanas, agamas, chamaeleons etc.). Google &#8220;Toxicofera&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Zabet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zabet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, this is how much of a science junkie  I&#039;m not: My first thought was, &quot;Ooh, wouldn&#039;t a good premise for a horror movie be that some lab snake who has been altered to permanently stay in the ramped-up metabolic state is loose and eating the unsuspecting workers in an office building that has been sealed for quarantine by the military, who are strangely uninterested in saving the workers because it&#039;s all a government cover-up for meddling with genetics in an attempt to create vicious snake-soldiers?&quot;
Waaaaay better than &quot;Snakes On A Plane,&quot; doancha think?
Thanks for making science interesting and accessible!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, this is how much of a science junkie  I&#8217;m not: My first thought was, &#8220;Ooh, wouldn&#8217;t a good premise for a horror movie be that some lab snake who has been altered to permanently stay in the ramped-up metabolic state is loose and eating the unsuspecting workers in an office building that has been sealed for quarantine by the military, who are strangely uninterested in saving the workers because it&#8217;s all a government cover-up for meddling with genetics in an attempt to create vicious snake-soldiers?&#8221;<br />
Waaaaay better than &#8220;Snakes On A Plane,&#8221; doancha think?<br />
Thanks for making science interesting and accessible!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob O'H</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2008/05/21/snake-proteins-have-gone-through-massive-evolutionary-redesign/#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob O'H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 14:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin - selection still acts on the whole snake, so it is still evolution of the snake.
Mitochondria are genetic, so the traits are genetic.  The made difference from nuclear genes is the mode of inheritance, only through the female line.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin &#8211; selection still acts on the whole snake, so it is still evolution of the snake.<br />
Mitochondria are genetic, so the traits are genetic.  The made difference from nuclear genes is the mode of inheritance, only through the female line.</p>
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		<title>By: Coturnix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coturnix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 13:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link?
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		<title>By: Martin R</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2008/05/21/snake-proteins-have-gone-through-massive-evolutionary-redesign/#comment-450</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 13:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct me if I&#039;m wrong: aren&#039;t the characteristics of mitochondria epigenetic traits? Mitochondria reproduce independently of the nuclear DNA. So what the study has established isn&#039;t really about the evolution of snakes, but about the evolution of mitochondria. (-;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong: aren&#8217;t the characteristics of mitochondria epigenetic traits? Mitochondria reproduce independently of the nuclear DNA. So what the study has established isn&#8217;t really about the evolution of snakes, but about the evolution of mitochondria. (-;</p>
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