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	<title>Comments on: Pocket Science &#8211; belly-flopping frogs, and fattening marmots</title>
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		<title>By: TR Gregory</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/07/23/pocket-science-belly-flopping-frogs-and-fattening-marmots/#comment-8486</link>
		<dc:creator>TR Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&quot;one of the most primitive groups of frogs&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

&quot;Primitive&quot; refers to characters, not species or groups of species.  This is the same misconception that leads people to call platypuses &quot;primitive&quot; when they have many derived features like bills, venom, and electroreception.

THESE ARE ALL MODERN SPECIES.  THEIR LINEAGES HAVE BEEN EVOLVING FOR EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME SINCE DIVERGING FROM A COMMON ANCESTOR.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;They’ve stayed very small to limit the injuries they sustain&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Unless you have fossil or other historical information, you can&#039;t say that this isn&#039;t a secondary reduction in body size as an adaptation to their environment.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;they have large shield-shaped piece of cartilage on their undersides to protect their soft vital organs.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

And this is ancestral as well? Or is this a derived feature?  If the latter, that goes against the claim that they maintain an ancestral jumping style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;one of the most primitive groups of frogs&#8221;</b></p>
<p>&#8220;Primitive&#8221; refers to characters, not species or groups of species.  This is the same misconception that leads people to call platypuses &#8220;primitive&#8221; when they have many derived features like bills, venom, and electroreception.</p>
<p>THESE ARE ALL MODERN SPECIES.  THEIR LINEAGES HAVE BEEN EVOLVING FOR EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME SINCE DIVERGING FROM A COMMON ANCESTOR.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;They’ve stayed very small to limit the injuries they sustain&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Unless you have fossil or other historical information, you can&#8217;t say that this isn&#8217;t a secondary reduction in body size as an adaptation to their environment.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;they have large shield-shaped piece of cartilage on their undersides to protect their soft vital organs.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>And this is ancestral as well? Or is this a derived feature?  If the latter, that goes against the claim that they maintain an ancestral jumping style.</p>
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		<title>By: southlakesmom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/07/23/pocket-science-belly-flopping-frogs-and-fattening-marmots/#comment-8485</link>
		<dc:creator>southlakesmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband the pilot says that &quot;any landing you walk away from is a good landing.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband the pilot says that &#8220;any landing you walk away from is a good landing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Walter S. Andriuzzi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/07/23/pocket-science-belly-flopping-frogs-and-fattening-marmots/#comment-8484</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter S. Andriuzzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the belly-flopping frogs: another hit to the &quot;irreducible complexity&quot; or &quot;where are the missing links&quot; claims of creationists. And the music is really apt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the belly-flopping frogs: another hit to the &#8220;irreducible complexity&#8221; or &#8220;where are the missing links&#8221; claims of creationists. And the music is really apt</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Yong</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/07/23/pocket-science-belly-flopping-frogs-and-fattening-marmots/#comment-8483</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Yong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The music was my choice ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The music was my choice <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rhacodactylus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhacodactylus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No deep thoughts, just thought someone needed to compliment the video creator on their music choice.  If I ever jump 5 times my body length, I demand the same thing be playing . . .is that too much to ask?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No deep thoughts, just thought someone needed to compliment the video creator on their music choice.  If I ever jump 5 times my body length, I demand the same thing be playing . . .is that too much to ask?</p>
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		<title>By: Albertonykus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/07/23/pocket-science-belly-flopping-frogs-and-fattening-marmots/#comment-8481</link>
		<dc:creator>Albertonykus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 01:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frogs are neat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frogs are neat.</p>
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		<title>By: Escherichia coli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Escherichia coli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!

Your link to the Wolverine frogs doesn&#039;t seem to be working for me. It&#039;s currently linked to &quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/07/23/=&quot;</description>
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<p>Your link to the Wolverine frogs doesn&#8217;t seem to be working for me. It&#8217;s currently linked to &#8220;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/07/23/=&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lilian Nattel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/07/23/pocket-science-belly-flopping-frogs-and-fattening-marmots/#comment-8479</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilian Nattel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Climate change is just change. From a human point of view it might be disastrous because it may not favour our way of life or the flora and fauna that we prefer, but life will continue. Diversity might shrink for a while, but it will bounce back at at least in geological time. I don&#039;t know whether humans will still be around but life will in all of its diversity and curiousness. As a particular human being, I find frogs particularly appealing. Thanks for the information. It reminds me of how my children have learned to dive. Belly flops first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climate change is just change. From a human point of view it might be disastrous because it may not favour our way of life or the flora and fauna that we prefer, but life will continue. Diversity might shrink for a while, but it will bounce back at at least in geological time. I don&#8217;t know whether humans will still be around but life will in all of its diversity and curiousness. As a particular human being, I find frogs particularly appealing. Thanks for the information. It reminds me of how my children have learned to dive. Belly flops first.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, nice marmot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, nice marmot!</p>
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