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	<title>Comments on: The Beeblebrox Illusion: scientists convince people they have three arms</title>
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		<title>By: Georg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/02/23/the-beeblebrox-illusion-scientists-convince-people-they-have-three-arms/#comment-10844</link>
		<dc:creator>Georg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 11:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A similar illusion (two noses) can be done without any
gadgets.
Cross Your index and middle fingers (The middle goes over the index)
and touch the tip of Your nose with the &quot;valley&quot; between those fingers.
Georg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A similar illusion (two noses) can be done without any<br />
gadgets.<br />
Cross Your index and middle fingers (The middle goes over the index)<br />
and touch the tip of Your nose with the &#8220;valley&#8221; between those fingers.<br />
Georg</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/02/23/the-beeblebrox-illusion-scientists-convince-people-they-have-three-arms/#comment-10843</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But did he get any extra legs in the divorce?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But did he get any extra legs in the divorce?</p>
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		<title>By: stonemason89</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/02/23/the-beeblebrox-illusion-scientists-convince-people-they-have-three-arms/#comment-10842</link>
		<dc:creator>stonemason89</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul McCartney is alive, and he certainly doesn&#039;t have two heads (or three arms)....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul McCartney is alive, and he certainly doesn&#8217;t have two heads (or three arms)&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Neuromancy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/02/23/the-beeblebrox-illusion-scientists-convince-people-they-have-three-arms/#comment-10841</link>
		<dc:creator>Neuromancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The illusion in the Hitchhiker&#039;s picture at the top isn&#039;t very convincing, unless the illusion involves the head of a distracted Paul McCartney...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The illusion in the Hitchhiker&#8217;s picture at the top isn&#8217;t very convincing, unless the illusion involves the head of a distracted Paul McCartney&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quite like this research, but I&#039;m not convinced talking about it as an illusion is the right way to go. There seem to be a couple of things going on;

1. Those maps you mention aren&#039;t static (or maps, per se, but that&#039;s another story). They&#039;re flexible and their current layout simply reflects what you&#039;ve been up to recently; so when you pick up a tool that object gets incorporated almost immediately. So our cortical &#039;sense of self&#039; is just &#039;what we typically look like&#039; - it&#039;s use-dependant, like the shape of muscles. The only reason the brain thinks we typically have two arms is that we do typically have two arms: change that, and the brain changes with it.

2. This is related to the process of calibration: the various perceptual systems continuously calibrate and recalibrate each other to preserve accuracy. Left to its own devices, any perceptual system drifts and gets noisy. This process is ongoing and, with some limits, you can recalibrate the system quite extensively. That&#039;s the point of the timing relationship between the visual and tactile information - these are informing each other, but only if they are in a suitable temporal range.

The net result is that the only reason the brain thinks we have two hands is that a) we do but critically b) all our perceptual systems continuously inform the brain of this fact, actively maintaining that cortical organisation. Change (b) and cortex quickly (with some limits) reorganises.

Anyway...I like all this recent work from these guys, I think it&#039;s interesting, but I just get a bit grouchy about it being couched in terms of illusions. More interesting things are going on - what we &#039;know&#039; about ourselves is actively maintained by the perceptual systems, and this isn&#039;t even a little bit static.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite like this research, but I&#8217;m not convinced talking about it as an illusion is the right way to go. There seem to be a couple of things going on;</p>
<p>1. Those maps you mention aren&#8217;t static (or maps, per se, but that&#8217;s another story). They&#8217;re flexible and their current layout simply reflects what you&#8217;ve been up to recently; so when you pick up a tool that object gets incorporated almost immediately. So our cortical &#8216;sense of self&#8217; is just &#8216;what we typically look like&#8217; &#8211; it&#8217;s use-dependant, like the shape of muscles. The only reason the brain thinks we typically have two arms is that we do typically have two arms: change that, and the brain changes with it.</p>
<p>2. This is related to the process of calibration: the various perceptual systems continuously calibrate and recalibrate each other to preserve accuracy. Left to its own devices, any perceptual system drifts and gets noisy. This process is ongoing and, with some limits, you can recalibrate the system quite extensively. That&#8217;s the point of the timing relationship between the visual and tactile information &#8211; these are informing each other, but only if they are in a suitable temporal range.</p>
<p>The net result is that the only reason the brain thinks we have two hands is that a) we do but critically b) all our perceptual systems continuously inform the brain of this fact, actively maintaining that cortical organisation. Change (b) and cortex quickly (with some limits) reorganises.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;I like all this recent work from these guys, I think it&#8217;s interesting, but I just get a bit grouchy about it being couched in terms of illusions. More interesting things are going on &#8211; what we &#8216;know&#8217; about ourselves is actively maintained by the perceptual systems, and this isn&#8217;t even a little bit static.</p>
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