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	<title>Comments on: The Alice Illusion â€“ scientists convince people that theyâ€™re dolls or giants</title>
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		<title>By: Genome</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/05/26/the-alice-illusion-scientists-convince-people-that-theyre-dolls-or-giants/#comment-11849</link>
		<dc:creator>Genome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 22:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ehrssons Catalepts.
Wat next will Ehrsson convince TP print testers they&#039;re actually chickens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ehrssons Catalepts.<br />
Wat next will Ehrsson convince TP print testers they&#8217;re actually chickens?</p>
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		<title>By: Genome</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/05/26/the-alice-illusion-scientists-convince-people-that-theyre-dolls-or-giants/#comment-11848</link>
		<dc:creator>Genome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 22:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ehrssons catalepts..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ehrssons catalepts..</p>
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		<title>By: JRMorber</title>
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		<dc:creator>JRMorber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 14:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always know when my kid is growing really fast because he starts to bump into everything. I figure his brain is working out his new proportions. Really interesting that we are so constantly updating that info, though I wonder if it happens more quickly to large changes than small ones - something like faster pain reception if it&#039;s really harmful. Perhaps the brain goes, &quot;Whoa guys, something has really changed. We had better devote some resources to this new info.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always know when my kid is growing really fast because he starts to bump into everything. I figure his brain is working out his new proportions. Really interesting that we are so constantly updating that info, though I wonder if it happens more quickly to large changes than small ones &#8211; something like faster pain reception if it&#8217;s really harmful. Perhaps the brain goes, &#8220;Whoa guys, something has really changed. We had better devote some resources to this new info.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jasonology</title>
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		<dc:creator>jasonology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 00:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hereby summon neuroscientist David Eagleman to discuss this. How would this affect time perception?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hereby summon neuroscientist David Eagleman to discuss this. How would this affect time perception?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Yong</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/05/26/the-alice-illusion-scientists-convince-people-that-theyre-dolls-or-giants/#comment-11845</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Yong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 19:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re thinking of Baudrillard. Or the Matrix, which was inspired by the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re thinking of Baudrillard. Or the Matrix, which was inspired by the same.</p>
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		<title>By: ATFF</title>
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		<dc:creator>ATFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 15:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would be really cool is if we are all in VR now and will find out some time in the future that there is in fact a technological &#039;afterlife&#039; not based on myths but based on technology of the universe we were not aware of hahah.

I remember reading a paper about the possibility of our universe being a simulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would be really cool is if we are all in VR now and will find out some time in the future that there is in fact a technological &#8216;afterlife&#8217; not based on myths but based on technology of the universe we were not aware of hahah.</p>
<p>I remember reading a paper about the possibility of our universe being a simulation.</p>
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		<title>By: Neuroskeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neuroskeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 09:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cool. It suggests that in the future, if virtual reality technology actually gets good, it will work extremely well: people will really feel like they&#039;re &quot;in&quot; the VR, if you could set up the visual &amp; tactile feedback properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool. It suggests that in the future, if virtual reality technology actually gets good, it will work extremely well: people will really feel like they&#8217;re &#8220;in&#8221; the VR, if you could set up the visual &amp; tactile feedback properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 06:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ken and Ed:

What the brain knows about the body is indeed being rebuilt continuously using perceptual information. The process is called calibration, and is critical - every time you pick something up the dynamics of your body change, and if you couldn&#039;t keep up you would be screwed. It is of course then &#039;hard to break the illusion&#039; because it&#039;s not, strictly speaking, an illusion: it&#039;s recalibration, and while it&#039;s being maintained by information it will persist (and even has a level of stability if it&#039;s not being maintained).

The essence of a calibration process is taking a measurement and placing it on some scale. The visual perception of distance is intrinsically unitless and so of no use; calibration uses other perceptual information to provide an action relevant scale. So you perceive the length of your arm via vision and dynamic touch, and then measure distance via vision using that arm length as your ruler. You end up perceiving &#039;can I reach it?&#039;, not some abstract number.

So Ed:
&lt;i&gt;Life doesnâ€™t come with scale bars for us to measure size against.&lt;/i&gt;
Actually it does: ourselves. The perception-action system has access to information about ourselves as well as everything else, and it perceives the world in terms of our ability to act on it - we perceive affordances. This ability changes (as you pick things up, or become fatigued, etc) hence the calibration process must be an ongoing one - a static &#039;brain model&#039; would never work.

This study is an interesting example - but people have been manipulating perception via recalibration for years. Geoff Bingham, at IU, has done a lot of this with prehension (he&#039;s demonstrated things like the dynamic stability of recalibration); Daniel Wolpert is famous for his distance perception studies too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ken and Ed:</p>
<p>What the brain knows about the body is indeed being rebuilt continuously using perceptual information. The process is called calibration, and is critical &#8211; every time you pick something up the dynamics of your body change, and if you couldn&#8217;t keep up you would be screwed. It is of course then &#8216;hard to break the illusion&#8217; because it&#8217;s not, strictly speaking, an illusion: it&#8217;s recalibration, and while it&#8217;s being maintained by information it will persist (and even has a level of stability if it&#8217;s not being maintained).</p>
<p>The essence of a calibration process is taking a measurement and placing it on some scale. The visual perception of distance is intrinsically unitless and so of no use; calibration uses other perceptual information to provide an action relevant scale. So you perceive the length of your arm via vision and dynamic touch, and then measure distance via vision using that arm length as your ruler. You end up perceiving &#8216;can I reach it?&#8217;, not some abstract number.</p>
<p>So Ed:<br />
<i>Life doesnâ€™t come with scale bars for us to measure size against.</i><br />
Actually it does: ourselves. The perception-action system has access to information about ourselves as well as everything else, and it perceives the world in terms of our ability to act on it &#8211; we perceive affordances. This ability changes (as you pick things up, or become fatigued, etc) hence the calibration process must be an ongoing one &#8211; a static &#8216;brain model&#8217; would never work.</p>
<p>This study is an interesting example &#8211; but people have been manipulating perception via recalibration for years. Geoff Bingham, at IU, has done a lot of this with prehension (he&#8217;s demonstrated things like the dynamic stability of recalibration); Daniel Wolpert is famous for his distance perception studies too.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Geezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 23:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The experiments seem to have been done with people who are passively receiving the stimulus.  The examples of future use ( surgeon and engineer) would require active participation in the illusion.  I sense a disconnect here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The experiments seem to have been done with people who are passively receiving the stimulus.  The examples of future use ( surgeon and engineer) would require active participation in the illusion.  I sense a disconnect here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Yong</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/05/26/the-alice-illusion-scientists-convince-people-that-theyre-dolls-or-giants/#comment-11840</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Yong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 23:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sister Y - I cannot believe you just Rule 34&#039;d this post...

@Ken - Indeed, and that the 10 minutes of overwriting is so stable that it&#039;s actually quite hard to break the illusion unless you do the out-of-time stroking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sister Y &#8211; I cannot believe you just Rule 34&#8242;d this post&#8230;</p>
<p>@Ken &#8211; Indeed, and that the 10 minutes of overwriting is so stable that it&#8217;s actually quite hard to break the illusion unless you do the out-of-time stroking.</p>
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