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	<title>Comments on: Humans have a magnetic sensor in our eyes, but can we detect magnetic fields?</title>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/06/21/humans-have-a-magnetic-sensor-in-our-eyes-but-can-we-see-magnetic-fields/#comment-12243</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abstract:

Calcification of the pineal gland is shown to be closely related to defective sense of direction. In a tricentre prospective study of 750 patients lateral skull radiographs showed that 394 had calcified pineal glands. Sense of direction was assessed by subjective questioning and objective testing and the results noted on a scale of 0-10 (where 10 equals perfect sense of direction). The average score for the 394 patients with pineal gland calcification was 3.7 (range 0-8), whereas the 356 patients without pineal gland calcification had an average score of 7.6 (range 2-10). This difference was highly significant (p less than 0.01). A smaller parallel study in pigeons showed that pineal calcification also leads to a reduction in homing abilities.

The findings suggested that the pineal gland plays an important part in directional sense and that damage to the gland, as indicated by calcification, causes defective sense of direction - perhaps by altering the intrinsic intracranial electromagnetic environment and thus affecting the magnetite response mechanism.


•http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/...

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<p>Calcification of the pineal gland is shown to be closely related to defective sense of direction. In a tricentre prospective study of 750 patients lateral skull radiographs showed that 394 had calcified pineal glands. Sense of direction was assessed by subjective questioning and objective testing and the results noted on a scale of 0-10 (where 10 equals perfect sense of direction). The average score for the 394 patients with pineal gland calcification was 3.7 (range 0-8), whereas the 356 patients without pineal gland calcification had an average score of 7.6 (range 2-10). This difference was highly significant (p less than 0.01). A smaller parallel study in pigeons showed that pineal calcification also leads to a reduction in homing abilities.</p>
<p>The findings suggested that the pineal gland plays an important part in directional sense and that damage to the gland, as indicated by calcification, causes defective sense of direction &#8211; perhaps by altering the intrinsic intracranial electromagnetic environment and thus affecting the magnetite response mechanism.</p>
<p>•http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/&#8230;</p>
<p>Worth looking into?</p>
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		<title>By: J. Myers</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/06/21/humans-have-a-magnetic-sensor-in-our-eyes-but-can-we-see-magnetic-fields/#comment-12242</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australian aborigines can easily find their way around vast tracts of desert.  A working magnetic sense would be evolutionarily advantageous in such an environment.  I would start here with serious research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australian aborigines can easily find their way around vast tracts of desert.  A working magnetic sense would be evolutionarily advantageous in such an environment.  I would start here with serious research.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernd Jendrissek</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/06/21/humans-have-a-magnetic-sensor-in-our-eyes-but-can-we-see-magnetic-fields/#comment-12241</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernd Jendrissek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 18:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note that &quot;blindfolded&quot; is not the same as &quot;no blue light at all entering the eye&quot;.

That said, I think allowing one of the groups of volunteers to see their surroundings before asking them to point home, is a potential fatal flaw.  Without having read the actual experimental protocol, it opens up the possibility that the non-magnet and presumably consistently blindfolded groups could &quot;sense&quot; the magnetic field purely through being less wrong than the others allowed to see environmental cues!

If I were to perform the experiment I&#039;d rather just put blindfolded volunteers in a swivel chair in the middle of a round room, and then study the differences in the distributions of the directions in which non-magnet and magnet groups of volunteers point.  Buses and circuitous routes just add confounding variables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note that &#8220;blindfolded&#8221; is not the same as &#8220;no blue light at all entering the eye&#8221;.</p>
<p>That said, I think allowing one of the groups of volunteers to see their surroundings before asking them to point home, is a potential fatal flaw.  Without having read the actual experimental protocol, it opens up the possibility that the non-magnet and presumably consistently blindfolded groups could &#8220;sense&#8221; the magnetic field purely through being less wrong than the others allowed to see environmental cues!</p>
<p>If I were to perform the experiment I&#8217;d rather just put blindfolded volunteers in a swivel chair in the middle of a round room, and then study the differences in the distributions of the directions in which non-magnet and magnet groups of volunteers point.  Buses and circuitous routes just add confounding variables.</p>
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		<title>By: abadidea</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/06/21/humans-have-a-magnetic-sensor-in-our-eyes-but-can-we-see-magnetic-fields/#comment-12240</link>
		<dc:creator>abadidea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 20:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hrm: No, it doesn&#039;t look anywhere near that severe. I did have migraines for a few years as a child, and I think I saw spots a few times, but I don&#039;t remember ever feeling ill when I see the distortions that resemble magnetic fields. I reckon they&#039;re purely optical illusion arising from complex patterned backgrounds. You can see some bizarre distortions by googling &quot;best optical illusions&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hrm: No, it doesn&#8217;t look anywhere near that severe. I did have migraines for a few years as a child, and I think I saw spots a few times, but I don&#8217;t remember ever feeling ill when I see the distortions that resemble magnetic fields. I reckon they&#8217;re purely optical illusion arising from complex patterned backgrounds. You can see some bizarre distortions by googling &#8220;best optical illusions&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/06/21/humans-have-a-magnetic-sensor-in-our-eyes-but-can-we-see-magnetic-fields/#comment-12239</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Cathal:

As the links in the article to Baker&#039;s work describe, there were two groups. Both were blindfolded and driven around, and then asked to point the direction toward home. But one group had their blindfolds removed and were allowed to look around before pointing, while the other left their blindfolds on. Contrary to what Baker expected, he claimed that his *blindfolded* group was more accurate at pointing the way home than the group allowed to look around first. (?!)

In any case, I don&#039;t think he had any idea about a possible mechanism (involving light-activated proteins) so he didn&#039;t think to shine blue light or otherwise in anyone&#039;s eyes. But yes, if the claim is now that some protein complex gains a magnetic response when excited by blue light, then obviously Baker&#039;s experiment had nothing to do with it, since his subjects&#039; eyes weren&#039;t exposed to any light!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cathal:</p>
<p>As the links in the article to Baker&#8217;s work describe, there were two groups. Both were blindfolded and driven around, and then asked to point the direction toward home. But one group had their blindfolds removed and were allowed to look around before pointing, while the other left their blindfolds on. Contrary to what Baker expected, he claimed that his *blindfolded* group was more accurate at pointing the way home than the group allowed to look around first. (?!)</p>
<p>In any case, I don&#8217;t think he had any idea about a possible mechanism (involving light-activated proteins) so he didn&#8217;t think to shine blue light or otherwise in anyone&#8217;s eyes. But yes, if the claim is now that some protein complex gains a magnetic response when excited by blue light, then obviously Baker&#8217;s experiment had nothing to do with it, since his subjects&#8217; eyes weren&#8217;t exposed to any light!</p>
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		<title>By: hrm</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/06/21/humans-have-a-magnetic-sensor-in-our-eyes-but-can-we-see-magnetic-fields/#comment-12238</link>
		<dc:creator>hrm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mk, the body does not generate a significant magnetic field (if it did, compasses wouldn&#039;t work near you, etc.) and there are no high-energy charged particles flying around at ground level to cause the kind of radiation that would look anything like an aurora. (If there were, *everyone* would see it, not just people who suffer from auras.) Auras are a purely neurological phenomenon -- some kind of malfunction of the visual cortex. It&#039;s not completely understood yet, but that&#039;s no excuse to introduce patent nonsense and mystical mumbo-jumbo. At least not on this forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mk, the body does not generate a significant magnetic field (if it did, compasses wouldn&#8217;t work near you, etc.) and there are no high-energy charged particles flying around at ground level to cause the kind of radiation that would look anything like an aurora. (If there were, *everyone* would see it, not just people who suffer from auras.) Auras are a purely neurological phenomenon &#8212; some kind of malfunction of the visual cortex. It&#8217;s not completely understood yet, but that&#8217;s no excuse to introduce patent nonsense and mystical mumbo-jumbo. At least not on this forum.</p>
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		<title>By: M.E. Sessums</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/06/21/humans-have-a-magnetic-sensor-in-our-eyes-but-can-we-see-magnetic-fields/#comment-12237</link>
		<dc:creator>M.E. Sessums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I had an MRI for a neck injury, I was inside the magnetic torus for about 45 minutes.  Bored in a dark tube, with a loud pounding noise beating weird rhythms, I closed my eyes.  Moving patterns seemed to be visible when I closed my eyes.  The test required several different modes of MRI sensing, and when the rhythm changed the patterns my eyes seemed to perceive also changed.  I have always wondered what it was that my eyes were detecting, and have thought it must have been some magnetic phenomena.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I had an MRI for a neck injury, I was inside the magnetic torus for about 45 minutes.  Bored in a dark tube, with a loud pounding noise beating weird rhythms, I closed my eyes.  Moving patterns seemed to be visible when I closed my eyes.  The test required several different modes of MRI sensing, and when the rhythm changed the patterns my eyes seemed to perceive also changed.  I have always wondered what it was that my eyes were detecting, and have thought it must have been some magnetic phenomena.</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/06/21/humans-have-a-magnetic-sensor-in-our-eyes-but-can-we-see-magnetic-fields/#comment-12236</link>
		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 02:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many people can see them. It&#039;s called AURAs and it&#039;s exactly the same phenomenon as aurora borealis, only in smaller scale. Everybody&#039;s heart generates strong magnetic field that can be measured even couple of meters away from the body. When charged particles hit that field it produces color effect which can be seen. Anybody can learn it fairly quickly. The biggest obstacle is to UNEDUCATE yourself since you cannot see something you don&#039;t believe to be possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people can see them. It&#8217;s called AURAs and it&#8217;s exactly the same phenomenon as aurora borealis, only in smaller scale. Everybody&#8217;s heart generates strong magnetic field that can be measured even couple of meters away from the body. When charged particles hit that field it produces color effect which can be seen. Anybody can learn it fairly quickly. The biggest obstacle is to UNEDUCATE yourself since you cannot see something you don&#8217;t believe to be possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another interesting question regards screening of magnetic fields by the vehicle being used to transport the people.  The steel used in automotive bodies will take and hold a magnetic field.  It&#039;s indeterminate (well, at least without testing it) as to how much magnetic screening this may produce.  But, it&#039;s an effect that needs to be logged as part of the experiment.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting question regards screening of magnetic fields by the vehicle being used to transport the people.  The steel used in automotive bodies will take and hold a magnetic field.  It&#8217;s indeterminate (well, at least without testing it) as to how much magnetic screening this may produce.  But, it&#8217;s an effect that needs to be logged as part of the experiment.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Akep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no doubt that we could potentially see magnetic fields.

After several controlled, analytical sessions of psilocybin and studying the effects on myself, I became convinced of the drug turning &quot;filters&quot; off in the brain for the extraneous information that lies beyond the standard visible spectrum. Fractal organization of nature, be it an individual leaf, plant, field, forest, and so on became exceedingly apparent, as did the fractal structure of water, snow, and clouds. And, it all adhered to phi. Also being made visible during peaks were close-by strong magnetic fields, instantly being recognizable by field lines shaping familiar toroids.

I believe the information is always there and that our bodies are receptive without our conscious awareness, it&#039;s just a matter of a longstanding human lifestyle limiting information no longer necessary to our survival, and perhaps a lack of training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt that we could potentially see magnetic fields.</p>
<p>After several controlled, analytical sessions of psilocybin and studying the effects on myself, I became convinced of the drug turning &#8220;filters&#8221; off in the brain for the extraneous information that lies beyond the standard visible spectrum. Fractal organization of nature, be it an individual leaf, plant, field, forest, and so on became exceedingly apparent, as did the fractal structure of water, snow, and clouds. And, it all adhered to phi. Also being made visible during peaks were close-by strong magnetic fields, instantly being recognizable by field lines shaping familiar toroids.</p>
<p>I believe the information is always there and that our bodies are receptive without our conscious awareness, it&#8217;s just a matter of a longstanding human lifestyle limiting information no longer necessary to our survival, and perhaps a lack of training.</p>
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