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		<title>By: Vorticon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/07/05/bone-holes-suggest-active-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-50591</link>
		<dc:creator>Vorticon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 19:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

I&#039;m always deeply concerned when I see someone using a coordinate system with double logarithmic axes, drawing nice straight lines (sometimes even with correlation coefficients) through data points and then claiming a realationship of some kind.
The actual errors in the graph at the outer points are much higher than nearer to 0/0. But the human eye (and simple linear regression as well) does not recognize this easily and it thus easily fooled to &quot;see&quot; a correlation which might be there or not.

CU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always deeply concerned when I see someone using a coordinate system with double logarithmic axes, drawing nice straight lines (sometimes even with correlation coefficients) through data points and then claiming a realationship of some kind.<br />
The actual errors in the graph at the outer points are much higher than nearer to 0/0. But the human eye (and simple linear regression as well) does not recognize this easily and it thus easily fooled to &#8220;see&#8221; a correlation which might be there or not.</p>
<p>CU</p>
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		<title>By: avtošola</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/07/05/bone-holes-suggest-active-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-50343</link>
		<dc:creator>avtošola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 16:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as i believe we must assume their blood to reptile blood, otherwhise a lot of researches are useless. But anyway, i agree with your thinking, there is no prove that dino hemoglobin is the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as i believe we must assume their blood to reptile blood, otherwhise a lot of researches are useless. But anyway, i agree with your thinking, there is no prove that dino hemoglobin is the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Hendricks</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/07/05/bone-holes-suggest-active-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-50342</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Hendricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 16:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this based on assuming that dino blood is equivalent to reptile blood?  We have no way of knowing how efficient their blood is at carrying oxygen.  Perhaps the 65 my of evolution has given their descendants better hemoglobin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this based on assuming that dino blood is equivalent to reptile blood?  We have no way of knowing how efficient their blood is at carrying oxygen.  Perhaps the 65 my of evolution has given their descendants better hemoglobin?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris M.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/07/05/bone-holes-suggest-active-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-50281</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 02:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remarkably clever method!

@Sven, the more active an animal is, the more bone rebuilding is necessary.  This is particularly critical once animals are running, because of the higher impact forces associated with it.  Surprisingly, bone does cost a significant amount, metabolically, to maintain, with regular building and breaking down of the structure, and hard use results in quite a bit of turnover in bone structure.  It&#039;s nowhere near the metabolic cost of muscle or neural tissue, but even highly-active neurons only take around 40 times more energy per unit weight than bone.  

I, also, would love to see some data on ratites here.  This seems like a paper of its own, though; quite a bit of work, since fossil species would be needed to give any statistical power to the group data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remarkably clever method!</p>
<p>@Sven, the more active an animal is, the more bone rebuilding is necessary.  This is particularly critical once animals are running, because of the higher impact forces associated with it.  Surprisingly, bone does cost a significant amount, metabolically, to maintain, with regular building and breaking down of the structure, and hard use results in quite a bit of turnover in bone structure.  It&#8217;s nowhere near the metabolic cost of muscle or neural tissue, but even highly-active neurons only take around 40 times more energy per unit weight than bone.  </p>
<p>I, also, would love to see some data on ratites here.  This seems like a paper of its own, though; quite a bit of work, since fossil species would be needed to give any statistical power to the group data.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Yong</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/07/05/bone-holes-suggest-active-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-50276</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Yong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They left out birds because (i) they generally fly rather than run; (ii) their bones are hollow, which complicates things, and (iii) there&#039;s little data on their maximum metabolic rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They left out birds because (i) they generally fly rather than run; (ii) their bones are hollow, which complicates things, and (iii) there&#8217;s little data on their maximum metabolic rates.</p>
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		<title>By: Sven DiMilo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/07/05/bone-holes-suggest-active-dinosaurs/comment-page-1/#comment-50275</link>
		<dc:creator>Sven DiMilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 00:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Seymour estimates that mammal bones receive around 54 times more oxygen than reptiles ones do. This all makes sense. When they’re doing exercise, mammals have higher metabolic rates than reptiles and they need more oxygen to fuel their activities&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To fuel the activities of their femurs?
It doesn&#039;t make &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; much sense.
Or is this supposed to be an index of bloodflow rates more generally?

Obviously missing but crucially important comparator group: birds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Seymour estimates that mammal bones receive around 54 times more oxygen than reptiles ones do. This all makes sense. When they’re doing exercise, mammals have higher metabolic rates than reptiles and they need more oxygen to fuel their activities</p></blockquote>
<p>To fuel the activities of their femurs?<br />
It doesn&#8217;t make <i>that</i> much sense.<br />
Or is this supposed to be an index of bloodflow rates more generally?</p>
<p>Obviously missing but crucially important comparator group: birds.</p>
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