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	<title>Comments on: The lost plague â€“ London graveyards suggest that Black Death strain may be extinct</title>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also enjoyed reading The Plague a few years ago - devastating emotionally - Ben - loved your correction - made me smile too! I could have easily made the same error!  I know the Hanta virus is also active in the US...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also enjoyed reading The Plague a few years ago &#8211; devastating emotionally &#8211; Ben &#8211; loved your correction &#8211; made me smile too! I could have easily made the same error!  I know the Hanta virus is also active in the US&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 03:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. loved reading this. just finished The Plague by Camus. totally chilling to read this right after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. loved reading this. just finished The Plague by Camus. totally chilling to read this right after.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Wise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 03:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also...(sorry to have omitted this in my earlier post)...I don&#039;t think that pneumonic plague is necessarily a different &quot;strain&quot; of the bacterium than that causing the other forms of the disease, but, like the parallel with anthrax, a different phase of the &quot;natural history&quot; of the disease as it affects an individual, which may or may not arise in the course of a particular individual&#039;s infection.  When it does, of course, its route of transmission increases its virulence substantially. Perhaps someone more familiar with plague etiology can enlighten us on this point.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also&#8230;(sorry to have omitted this in my earlier post)&#8230;I don&#8217;t think that pneumonic plague is necessarily a different &#8220;strain&#8221; of the bacterium than that causing the other forms of the disease, but, like the parallel with anthrax, a different phase of the &#8220;natural history&#8221; of the disease as it affects an individual, which may or may not arise in the course of a particular individual&#8217;s infection.  When it does, of course, its route of transmission increases its virulence substantially. Perhaps someone more familiar with plague etiology can enlighten us on this point.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Wise</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/08/30/the-lost-plague-london-graveyards-suggest-that-black-death-strain-may-be-extinct/#comment-12965</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scicurious:  just a tiny but significant correction:  it&#039;s &quot;pneumonic...&quot; not &quot;pneumatic...&quot; plague (although I admit your error made me smile)!  The latter refers to air-operated machines!  The former to airborne and lung-infecting forms of diseases, such as plague and anthrax...and is,  indeed, related to the word root of &quot;pneumonia&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scicurious:  just a tiny but significant correction:  it&#8217;s &#8220;pneumonic&#8230;&#8221; not &#8220;pneumatic&#8230;&#8221; plague (although I admit your error made me smile)!  The latter refers to air-operated machines!  The former to airborne and lung-infecting forms of diseases, such as plague and anthrax&#8230;and is,  indeed, related to the word root of &#8220;pneumonia&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine from Arizona caught the plague. The local doctors figured out what she had quickly and cured her. She wasn&#039;t especially impressed by the disease, which she told me was no worse than a bad case of the flu; but it&#039;s true she had been treated promptly with antibiotics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine from Arizona caught the plague. The local doctors figured out what she had quickly and cured her. She wasn&#8217;t especially impressed by the disease, which she told me was no worse than a bad case of the flu; but it&#8217;s true she had been treated promptly with antibiotics.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great, fascinating article.  I passed it on to a friend who is teaching a European history course this semester and was covering the black plague last week.  She enjoyed it enough to consider using it as a source in future semesters, although she did raise a point about the numbers of people killed by the Black Plague.  I thought I would share her response:


&quot;...Thank you so much for passing on this article to me. I am constantly amazed at how our knowledge of the past is in such a state of flux; history, as I constantly remind my students, is truly a never-ending argument.

I do wonder, however, at the claim at the start of the article which asserts that the Black Death killed approximately 100 million people. At the height of the High Middle Ages, the population of Europe was only around 75-100 million, and it had certainly fallen by the time of the Black Death&#039;s first onslaught in 1349 due to wasting famine in the early decades of the 14th century. I generally stick to the consensus historical view that approximately 20 million died in the first 3-year outbreak. Perhaps the writers meant that upwards of 100 million people have died over the centuries due to the plague?&quot;



So I am wondering about the 100 million death figure (or to be fair, what you refer to as up to 100 million); did it refer to the Black Plague specifically, or a larger cumulative figure?

By the way, I have used a variety of your posts as a resource in classes over the years, and have shared them with colleagues in Biology.  I thought you might find it gratifying that psychologists, biologists, and now historians in one location are engaged in conversations connected to your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great, fascinating article.  I passed it on to a friend who is teaching a European history course this semester and was covering the black plague last week.  She enjoyed it enough to consider using it as a source in future semesters, although she did raise a point about the numbers of people killed by the Black Plague.  I thought I would share her response:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Thank you so much for passing on this article to me. I am constantly amazed at how our knowledge of the past is in such a state of flux; history, as I constantly remind my students, is truly a never-ending argument.</p>
<p>I do wonder, however, at the claim at the start of the article which asserts that the Black Death killed approximately 100 million people. At the height of the High Middle Ages, the population of Europe was only around 75-100 million, and it had certainly fallen by the time of the Black Death&#8217;s first onslaught in 1349 due to wasting famine in the early decades of the 14th century. I generally stick to the consensus historical view that approximately 20 million died in the first 3-year outbreak. Perhaps the writers meant that upwards of 100 million people have died over the centuries due to the plague?&#8221;</p>
<p>So I am wondering about the 100 million death figure (or to be fair, what you refer to as up to 100 million); did it refer to the Black Plague specifically, or a larger cumulative figure?</p>
<p>By the way, I have used a variety of your posts as a resource in classes over the years, and have shared them with colleagues in Biology.  I thought you might find it gratifying that psychologists, biologists, and now historians in one location are engaged in conversations connected to your work.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 01:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be that the lower fatality rate today is a result of the fact that the ancesters of those of us living now were the offspring of those people who were exposed to the plague and survived it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that the lower fatality rate today is a result of the fact that the ancesters of those of us living now were the offspring of those people who were exposed to the plague and survived it?</p>
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		<title>By: Scicurious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scicurious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I&#039;m so late to the party, but I was wondering if the strain of Y pestis that they found could be linked to specific features of plague infection?  I know that traditional plague the way we think of it is spread by flea bites, but there are also strains of plague which kill much faster and are spread in the air (via coughing, etc).  This was called &quot;pneumatic&quot; plague and is thought to be much faster spreading and far deadlier than the kind spread in what we usually think of as the traditional manner.  Do we now think that the plague from the 13th century was maybe pneumatic, or had pneumatic features (usually I think pneumatic didn&#039;t have the buboes associated with bubonic plague), rather than being strictly bubonic?  I don&#039;t know a lot about this, just wanted to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I&#8217;m so late to the party, but I was wondering if the strain of Y pestis that they found could be linked to specific features of plague infection?  I know that traditional plague the way we think of it is spread by flea bites, but there are also strains of plague which kill much faster and are spread in the air (via coughing, etc).  This was called &#8220;pneumatic&#8221; plague and is thought to be much faster spreading and far deadlier than the kind spread in what we usually think of as the traditional manner.  Do we now think that the plague from the 13th century was maybe pneumatic, or had pneumatic features (usually I think pneumatic didn&#8217;t have the buboes associated with bubonic plague), rather than being strictly bubonic?  I don&#8217;t know a lot about this, just wanted to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeez, the way some of neighbors live, they could bring back the plague!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeez, the way some of neighbors live, they could bring back the plague!</p>
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		<title>By: IW</title>
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		<dc:creator>IW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 10:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that picture from a Grateful Dead concert...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that picture from a Grateful Dead concert&#8230;?</p>
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