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		<title>By: Jocelyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jocelyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 10:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t make spiders any bigger than they already are!   I have a job coping already, although I am getting less phobic with time but basketball size seems just over the top!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t make spiders any bigger than they already are!   I have a job coping already, although I am getting less phobic with time but basketball size seems just over the top!</p>
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		<title>By: jerry irons</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry irons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 21:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps if we genetically engineered the spiders to grow into larger ones, say the size of basketballs, we then could farm the silk in large quantities.  We&#039;ve done it in dairy animals except we&#039;ve kept the body small and enlarged the bag and teats so that a good producer can produce 15 gallons or so of milk each day over less than a quarter of that amount in the past.  More so with 2 or more milkings each day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps if we genetically engineered the spiders to grow into larger ones, say the size of basketballs, we then could farm the silk in large quantities.  We&#8217;ve done it in dairy animals except we&#8217;ve kept the body small and enlarged the bag and teats so that a good producer can produce 15 gallons or so of milk each day over less than a quarter of that amount in the past.  More so with 2 or more milkings each day.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Brunetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Brunetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 19:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realized I left all these comments without commenting on how much I appreciate Ed&#039;s posts--always interesting, always in-depth. One of the best things on the Web.
Leslie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realized I left all these comments without commenting on how much I appreciate Ed&#8217;s posts&#8211;always interesting, always in-depth. One of the best things on the Web.<br />
Leslie</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Brunetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Brunetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 02:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Texan99--Thank you! I&#039;m glad you&#039;re enjoying it.

PG--The research team (which includes Randy Lewis, who was involved in the first deciphering of the structure of spider dragline silk protein in 1990) actually introduced a synthetic spider silk gene into the silkworms, rather than a natural one. They synthesized it by combining stretches of flagelliform silk gene (which dictates the super-stretchy silk protein orb weavers use to make the capture spiral in the orb) with stretches of major ampullate spidroin 2 gene, which dictates one of the components of dragline silk, which is very strong. It&#039;s really clever research: they not only synthesized this gene, but also strategically introduced it into the silkworm silk gene at a position they thought most likely to promote good fiber formation. I don&#039;t fully understand everything they did here (I&#039;m the English major part of our writing team), but they&#039;ve put together a multitude of genetic engineering techniques and I&#039;m sure they&#039;re learning just as much from what&#039;s not working as from what is. Even if they never get real spider silk out of silkworms, getting enhanced silkworm silk may be good enough for many applications.

It appears that the spider silk genes originated in Nephila clavipes, one of the golden orb weavers. They produce very strong major ampullate silk. They also produce it in large quantities (they&#039;re big spiders) so they were favorites in the early days of silk research partly just because they provided large samples and they&#039;re easier to dissect. As researchers understand more, and as it gets cheaper to conduct this kind of analysis (due to technology advances), more silk proteins and genes from more spider species are being studied. Different silks have different properties. None of them are going to be easy to reproduce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texan99&#8211;Thank you! I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re enjoying it.</p>
<p>PG&#8211;The research team (which includes Randy Lewis, who was involved in the first deciphering of the structure of spider dragline silk protein in 1990) actually introduced a synthetic spider silk gene into the silkworms, rather than a natural one. They synthesized it by combining stretches of flagelliform silk gene (which dictates the super-stretchy silk protein orb weavers use to make the capture spiral in the orb) with stretches of major ampullate spidroin 2 gene, which dictates one of the components of dragline silk, which is very strong. It&#8217;s really clever research: they not only synthesized this gene, but also strategically introduced it into the silkworm silk gene at a position they thought most likely to promote good fiber formation. I don&#8217;t fully understand everything they did here (I&#8217;m the English major part of our writing team), but they&#8217;ve put together a multitude of genetic engineering techniques and I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re learning just as much from what&#8217;s not working as from what is. Even if they never get real spider silk out of silkworms, getting enhanced silkworm silk may be good enough for many applications.</p>
<p>It appears that the spider silk genes originated in Nephila clavipes, one of the golden orb weavers. They produce very strong major ampullate silk. They also produce it in large quantities (they&#8217;re big spiders) so they were favorites in the early days of silk research partly just because they provided large samples and they&#8217;re easier to dissect. As researchers understand more, and as it gets cheaper to conduct this kind of analysis (due to technology advances), more silk proteins and genes from more spider species are being studied. Different silks have different properties. None of them are going to be easy to reproduce.</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/01/03/genetically-engineered-silkworms-with-spider-genes-spin-super-strong-silk/#comment-14014</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 03:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leslie, wow. very cool stuff. What spider species was used for the source of genetic material in this study and why? due to the silk quality or the ability to effectively integrate the gene/genes into a the silk worm or something else? You said there is much variation in terms of spider silk proteins, I assume that corresponds to genetic variation as well. What is your view of potential genetic resources available for breeding for/ engineering new silks.

Are people patenting these hybrid lines? My first thought would be obviously.

Thanks, great stuff, I am going to check out your book as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie, wow. very cool stuff. What spider species was used for the source of genetic material in this study and why? due to the silk quality or the ability to effectively integrate the gene/genes into a the silk worm or something else? You said there is much variation in terms of spider silk proteins, I assume that corresponds to genetic variation as well. What is your view of potential genetic resources available for breeding for/ engineering new silks.</p>
<p>Are people patenting these hybrid lines? My first thought would be obviously.</p>
<p>Thanks, great stuff, I am going to check out your book as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Texan99</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texan99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leslie Brunetta, thanks for the link to your book, &quot;Spider Silk,&quot; which I&#039;ve downloaded on Kindle and am reading with pleasure this instant.  Great stuff.  I love the idea that spiders have maintained a fairly uniform body type over the eons by concentrating their genetic innovation in their silks, changes in which enable them to compete in a wide variety of new environments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie Brunetta, thanks for the link to your book, &#8220;Spider Silk,&#8221; which I&#8217;ve downloaded on Kindle and am reading with pleasure this instant.  Great stuff.  I love the idea that spiders have maintained a fairly uniform body type over the eons by concentrating their genetic innovation in their silks, changes in which enable them to compete in a wide variety of new environments.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Laubach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Laubach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Yong, could you expound on this a little:  &quot;And even though they didn’t approach the strength and elasticity of true spider silk, they were almost just as tough.&quot;  I&#039;m not catching the distinction you&#039;re making among strength, elasticity, and toughness.  Tensile strength vs. abrasion resistance, something like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Yong, could you expound on this a little:  &#8220;And even though they didn’t approach the strength and elasticity of true spider silk, they were almost just as tough.&#8221;  I&#8217;m not catching the distinction you&#8217;re making among strength, elasticity, and toughness.  Tensile strength vs. abrasion resistance, something like that?</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Brunetta</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/01/03/genetically-engineered-silkworms-with-spider-genes-spin-super-strong-silk/#comment-14011</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie Brunetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 15:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, rayon used to be thought of as &quot;artificial silk.&quot; I&#039;m no expert on rayon, but my understanding is that it&#039;s reconstituted cellulose, which is a polysaccharide, whereas both silkworm and spider silk is protein. When people make artificial silks like rayon and nylon, the process usually involves lots of heat, pressure, and/or nasty solvents. Silkworms and spiders make silk at ambient temperatures and pressures and the raw materials are either leaves or bugs--that&#039;s a big part of why industrialists have been chasing after how they do it. It&#039;s just that proteins are devilishly complicated molecules, so it&#039;s not easy.

It&#039;s worth remembering that spiders, unlike silkworms, make a number of different silks, the number depending on where a species is on the spider evolutionary tree. An orb web weaver can make more than 6 different silk proteins. Industrially focused research is usually interested in dragline silk and sometimes flagelliform silk, which is the silk found in the capture spiral of orb webs. Lately, there&#039;s also interest in the aggregate silk protein glue that araneoid spiders deposit on their flagelliform lines.

But thousands of spider species who can&#039;t make flagelliform or aggregate silk proteins make cribellate silk, which also sticks to insects. And thousands of other species can&#039;t make cribellate or flagelliform or aggregate silk proteins but still do fine. The evolutionary development of all this stuff is fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, rayon used to be thought of as &#8220;artificial silk.&#8221; I&#8217;m no expert on rayon, but my understanding is that it&#8217;s reconstituted cellulose, which is a polysaccharide, whereas both silkworm and spider silk is protein. When people make artificial silks like rayon and nylon, the process usually involves lots of heat, pressure, and/or nasty solvents. Silkworms and spiders make silk at ambient temperatures and pressures and the raw materials are either leaves or bugs&#8211;that&#8217;s a big part of why industrialists have been chasing after how they do it. It&#8217;s just that proteins are devilishly complicated molecules, so it&#8217;s not easy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth remembering that spiders, unlike silkworms, make a number of different silks, the number depending on where a species is on the spider evolutionary tree. An orb web weaver can make more than 6 different silk proteins. Industrially focused research is usually interested in dragline silk and sometimes flagelliform silk, which is the silk found in the capture spiral of orb webs. Lately, there&#8217;s also interest in the aggregate silk protein glue that araneoid spiders deposit on their flagelliform lines.</p>
<p>But thousands of spider species who can&#8217;t make flagelliform or aggregate silk proteins make cribellate silk, which also sticks to insects. And thousands of other species can&#8217;t make cribellate or flagelliform or aggregate silk proteins but still do fine. The evolutionary development of all this stuff is fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: JimK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, silkworms lie in a tray and eat leaves and produce silk - they are making rayon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, silkworms lie in a tray and eat leaves and produce silk &#8211; they are making rayon?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Yong</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/01/03/genetically-engineered-silkworms-with-spider-genes-spin-super-strong-silk/#comment-14009</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Yong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silkworms break out of their cocoons by releasing enzymes that break it down. So the material properties wouldn&#039;t matter too much. That&#039;s why they... er... boil the cocoons when they harvest the silk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silkworms break out of their cocoons by releasing enzymes that break it down. So the material properties wouldn&#8217;t matter too much. That&#8217;s why they&#8230; er&#8230; boil the cocoons when they harvest the silk.</p>
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