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		<title>By: BillB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/03/06/my-bad-on-accountability-in-science-journalism/#comment-14497</link>
		<dc:creator>BillB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 16:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a well written article, driving straight to the point of social decay.  I spent twentyfive years of my life as a full time broadcast journalist.  Over that period of time I witnessed many of my collegues becoming a little loose in their reporting.  It wasn&#039;t that a mistake was made, it became more of a crisis that the mistake was caught.  In the case of scientific reporting, the question becomes who will catch an error and who will take responsibility for it and get it fixed?
Oh, by the way, poor journalistic habits are not limited to the UK&#039;s side of the ocean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a well written article, driving straight to the point of social decay.  I spent twentyfive years of my life as a full time broadcast journalist.  Over that period of time I witnessed many of my collegues becoming a little loose in their reporting.  It wasn&#8217;t that a mistake was made, it became more of a crisis that the mistake was caught.  In the case of scientific reporting, the question becomes who will catch an error and who will take responsibility for it and get it fixed?<br />
Oh, by the way, poor journalistic habits are not limited to the UK&#8217;s side of the ocean.</p>
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		<title>By: dearieme</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/03/06/my-bad-on-accountability-in-science-journalism/#comment-14496</link>
		<dc:creator>dearieme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 10:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you, but don&#039;t let the scientists off the hook.  It&#039;s scientists who write abstracts for their papers which are inconsistent with the content of the papers; it&#039;s the same scientists who brief their universities&#039; spin doctors, and cheerfully appear on the radio or telly to sermonise about their work, explaining the urgent necessity of diverting more money from the taxpayers to themselves.

P.S. Your remarks would carry more weight with me if you&#039;d chosen an example of bollocks science from the Guardian or Telegraph rather than the Daily Mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you, but don&#8217;t let the scientists off the hook.  It&#8217;s scientists who write abstracts for their papers which are inconsistent with the content of the papers; it&#8217;s the same scientists who brief their universities&#8217; spin doctors, and cheerfully appear on the radio or telly to sermonise about their work, explaining the urgent necessity of diverting more money from the taxpayers to themselves.</p>
<p>P.S. Your remarks would carry more weight with me if you&#8217;d chosen an example of bollocks science from the Guardian or Telegraph rather than the Daily Mail.</p>
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		<title>By: hapsci</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/03/06/my-bad-on-accountability-in-science-journalism/#comment-14495</link>
		<dc:creator>hapsci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agree with your post.

The PCC in the UK should also act faster and have more influence to try and stamp out the mistakes and bad journalism when they occur. This link contains just one example (of many) failings that lead to bad stories being printed in the press.. and nothing being done about it - http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.com/2012/02/pcc-rules-on-complaints-about-hpv.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree with your post.</p>
<p>The PCC in the UK should also act faster and have more influence to try and stamp out the mistakes and bad journalism when they occur. This link contains just one example (of many) failings that lead to bad stories being printed in the press.. and nothing being done about it &#8211; <a href="http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.com/2012/02/pcc-rules-on-complaints-about-hpv.html" rel="nofollow">http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.com/2012/02/pcc-rules-on-complaints-about-hpv.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Claire Ainsworth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/03/06/my-bad-on-accountability-in-science-journalism/#comment-14494</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire Ainsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am torn between wanting to cheer your great post and quietly weeping that writing it should ever have been necessary in the first place.  When I worked as an editor, any reporter who tried to file a story that included quotes lifted from a press release was sent away with a flea in their ear and told to do their own homework. Sadly, the under-resourcing of UK journalism means that doing a decent job of reporting is becoming increasingly difficult.

I&#039;ve dived in to the Guardian&#039;s discussion about the topic, so won&#039;t repeat myself here, save to say that I think a system of peer review for UK science journalism would be an excellent idea. It would encourage readers to become more demanding consumers of accurate science journalism, and motivate editors/ media shareholders to invest in it more. A number of such initiative exist in other countries, such as Health News Review in the US amd Medien Doktor in Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am torn between wanting to cheer your great post and quietly weeping that writing it should ever have been necessary in the first place.  When I worked as an editor, any reporter who tried to file a story that included quotes lifted from a press release was sent away with a flea in their ear and told to do their own homework. Sadly, the under-resourcing of UK journalism means that doing a decent job of reporting is becoming increasingly difficult.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve dived in to the Guardian&#8217;s discussion about the topic, so won&#8217;t repeat myself here, save to say that I think a system of peer review for UK science journalism would be an excellent idea. It would encourage readers to become more demanding consumers of accurate science journalism, and motivate editors/ media shareholders to invest in it more. A number of such initiative exist in other countries, such as Health News Review in the US amd Medien Doktor in Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: jakob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/03/06/my-bad-on-accountability-in-science-journalism/#comment-14493</link>
		<dc:creator>jakob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Related discussion from the Truthiness in Social Media Symposium which took place at Harvard University, March 6th 2012: http://giladlotan.com/blog/2012/03/a-tale-of-three-rumors/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related discussion from the Truthiness in Social Media Symposium which took place at Harvard University, March 6th 2012: <a href="http://giladlotan.com/blog/2012/03/a-tale-of-three-rumors/" rel="nofollow">http://giladlotan.com/blog/2012/03/a-tale-of-three-rumors/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ed Yong</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/03/06/my-bad-on-accountability-in-science-journalism/#comment-14492</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Yong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 01:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s only slightly better. Again, if you just uncritically write down what someone says... same problem. You&#039;re not a journalist. You&#039;re a stenographer. And you lead readers into the realm of he-said-she-said reporting, where you can pretty much write whatever the hell you like as long as someone once said it.

Earlier, you said that journalists could not be held responsible for failure to detect cleverly masked fraud, and there is truth there. But stuff like the Daily Mail example is nothing of the kind. It&#039;s not Marc Hauser or Diederik Stapel. It&#039;s simple stuff that could be identified as exaggeration by anyone with a basic grounding in health reporting. It&#039;s j-school stuff.

So in your example, I would expect a reporter to note whether J.Random Author had any evidence for their unicorn hypothesis, and to call them out for lack of said evidence if appropriate. Or better yet, ditch the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s only slightly better. Again, if you just uncritically write down what someone says&#8230; same problem. You&#8217;re not a journalist. You&#8217;re a stenographer. And you lead readers into the realm of he-said-she-said reporting, where you can pretty much write whatever the hell you like as long as someone once said it.</p>
<p>Earlier, you said that journalists could not be held responsible for failure to detect cleverly masked fraud, and there is truth there. But stuff like the Daily Mail example is nothing of the kind. It&#8217;s not Marc Hauser or Diederik Stapel. It&#8217;s simple stuff that could be identified as exaggeration by anyone with a basic grounding in health reporting. It&#8217;s j-school stuff.</p>
<p>So in your example, I would expect a reporter to note whether J.Random Author had any evidence for their unicorn hypothesis, and to call them out for lack of said evidence if appropriate. Or better yet, ditch the story.</p>
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		<title>By: devicerandom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/03/06/my-bad-on-accountability-in-science-journalism/#comment-14491</link>
		<dc:creator>devicerandom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be sure: Reading that article (thanks for the lulz btw) I guess that the problem is not &lt;i&gt;reporting&lt;/i&gt; the quote, it is &lt;i&gt;believing it&lt;/i&gt; and putting it as fact in the title.

I mean, it&#039;s fine to report that &quot;J.Random Author told us &#039;We believe invisible pink unicorns roam in the cosmos&#039; &quot;, another thing is writing a story entitled &quot;Scientists discover invisible pink unicorns&quot;.  Am I right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be sure: Reading that article (thanks for the lulz btw) I guess that the problem is not <i>reporting</i> the quote, it is <i>believing it</i> and putting it as fact in the title.</p>
<p>I mean, it&#8217;s fine to report that &#8220;J.Random Author told us &#8216;We believe invisible pink unicorns roam in the cosmos&#8217; &#8220;, another thing is writing a story entitled &#8220;Scientists discover invisible pink unicorns&#8221;.  Am I right?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Yong</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/03/06/my-bad-on-accountability-in-science-journalism/#comment-14490</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Yong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 22:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bob - We&#039;ve done this dance before (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badscience.net/2010/06/jeremy-laurance-is-an-angry-man/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comments #4 and #48 here&lt;/a&gt;) The entire point of this piece is that establishing who is &quot;originally responsible&quot; is a distraction, and one used to excuse all manner of shoddy reporting.

In this case? Yes I would have expected the reporter to question the frankly dubious assertion in the quote. This ain&#039;t quantum physics. It&#039;s a simple epidemiological study and the ground rules for analysing these (a) aren&#039;t hard and (b) have been laid out by folks like Gary Schweitzer FOR YEARS. Even if the scientist was quoted accurately, so what? They screwed up. And in running the quote, so did the reporter. Accountability is not a zero-sum game.

What you&#039;re saying - that reporters should simply trust everything that&#039;s said to them - is a recipe for disaster. And it&#039;s not journalism; it&#039;s stenography. If anyone actually follows it, they might as well dispense with the science section of their publication and run the RSS feed from Eurekalert.

The problem with these discussions is not that the problem has been misdiagnosed. It&#039;s that the problem has been identified, but that some reporters have such a warped view of the basic elements of their job that they refuse to be held accountable for their role in screw-ups. And maybe, just maybe, the entire industry would benefit if we cowboyed up and held ourselves to loftier standards, rather than playing a frankly unsavoury game of blame distribution when someone correctly points out a flaw in out work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bob &#8211; We&#8217;ve done this dance before (<a href="http://www.badscience.net/2010/06/jeremy-laurance-is-an-angry-man/" rel="nofollow">comments #4 and #48 here</a>) The entire point of this piece is that establishing who is &#8220;originally responsible&#8221; is a distraction, and one used to excuse all manner of shoddy reporting.</p>
<p>In this case? Yes I would have expected the reporter to question the frankly dubious assertion in the quote. This ain&#8217;t quantum physics. It&#8217;s a simple epidemiological study and the ground rules for analysing these (a) aren&#8217;t hard and (b) have been laid out by folks like Gary Schweitzer FOR YEARS. Even if the scientist was quoted accurately, so what? They screwed up. And in running the quote, so did the reporter. Accountability is not a zero-sum game.</p>
<p>What you&#8217;re saying &#8211; that reporters should simply trust everything that&#8217;s said to them &#8211; is a recipe for disaster. And it&#8217;s not journalism; it&#8217;s stenography. If anyone actually follows it, they might as well dispense with the science section of their publication and run the RSS feed from Eurekalert.</p>
<p>The problem with these discussions is not that the problem has been misdiagnosed. It&#8217;s that the problem has been identified, but that some reporters have such a warped view of the basic elements of their job that they refuse to be held accountable for their role in screw-ups. And maybe, just maybe, the entire industry would benefit if we cowboyed up and held ourselves to loftier standards, rather than playing a frankly unsavoury game of blame distribution when someone correctly points out a flaw in out work.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Ward</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/03/06/my-bad-on-accountability-in-science-journalism/#comment-14489</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, this particular case from the Daily Mail all swings on the quote it included from the lead researcher on the academic paper, which mentions the toilet light switch. This quote , the Mail claims, was contained within the wire copy that the Mail plagiarised. To establish who is originally responsible for the misleading nature of the article depends on whether the researcher actually said what he is quoted as saying (nobody appears to have checked this). But assuming that the quote is accurate, what would you have expected the reporter to do? Assume that the researcher is lying and totally ignore what he has said? Was there any reason to disbelieve what the lead author on the paper said? It seems to me that the reporter might simply have been reporting in good faith what the researcher said to him/her. What exactly would you have done differently?

I think the fundamental flaw with these discussions is often a misdiagnosis of the problem. There should be more consideration of how researchers and their press officers are the root of many examples of bad reporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, this particular case from the Daily Mail all swings on the quote it included from the lead researcher on the academic paper, which mentions the toilet light switch. This quote , the Mail claims, was contained within the wire copy that the Mail plagiarised. To establish who is originally responsible for the misleading nature of the article depends on whether the researcher actually said what he is quoted as saying (nobody appears to have checked this). But assuming that the quote is accurate, what would you have expected the reporter to do? Assume that the researcher is lying and totally ignore what he has said? Was there any reason to disbelieve what the lead author on the paper said? It seems to me that the reporter might simply have been reporting in good faith what the researcher said to him/her. What exactly would you have done differently?</p>
<p>I think the fundamental flaw with these discussions is often a misdiagnosis of the problem. There should be more consideration of how researchers and their press officers are the root of many examples of bad reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Aurora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aurora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 17:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris: I wholeheartedly agree that scientists should take serious interest and work closely with press officers (while still recognising that the latter have greater expertise in *how* to communicate - but that&#039;s a discussion for another time).

On top of that, though, I&#039;d say it&#039;s press officers&#039; responsibility to make sure scientists *do* check for errors, exaggerations, or missing limitations. There&#039;s sometimes a temptation to think &quot;the scientists didn&#039;t comment, so it must be OK (and I can move on to my next task)&quot;, or to get exasperated by a re-written text and view every requested change as an attempt to insert more jargon. As press officers, it&#039;s our job to weed through responses and work out - with the scientists - if and where there are inaccuracies, misrepresentations, exaggerations, etc. Or ideally, to gauge and anticipate some of those issues before even drafting the text â€“ by talking to the scientists and understanding not just what they say but how they say it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris: I wholeheartedly agree that scientists should take serious interest and work closely with press officers (while still recognising that the latter have greater expertise in *how* to communicate &#8211; but that&#8217;s a discussion for another time).</p>
<p>On top of that, though, I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s press officers&#8217; responsibility to make sure scientists *do* check for errors, exaggerations, or missing limitations. There&#8217;s sometimes a temptation to think &#8220;the scientists didn&#8217;t comment, so it must be OK (and I can move on to my next task)&#8221;, or to get exasperated by a re-written text and view every requested change as an attempt to insert more jargon. As press officers, it&#8217;s our job to weed through responses and work out &#8211; with the scientists &#8211; if and where there are inaccuracies, misrepresentations, exaggerations, etc. Or ideally, to gauge and anticipate some of those issues before even drafting the text â€“ by talking to the scientists and understanding not just what they say but how they say it.</p>
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