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]]> By: Mike Gottschalk http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/02/12/darwin-and-the-vertigo-of-vision-beyond-the-science-v-religion-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4794 Mike Gottschalk Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:37:07 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2009/02/12/darwin-and-the-vertigo-of-vision-beyond-the-science-v-religion-debate/#comment-4794 @Steen: Steen I would further your thought and say that the 'subjective' is one with the ability to verify. I'm using subjective in terms of a dimension maybe; that part of us that carries our agency and experience that lies beyond the determined and automatic aspects of our existence. That we need to eat is determined and objective for us. That we create a dinner party is a subjective feat. In this sense it just occurred to me that science is itself an amazing subjective feat. This irony exists beyond language- I don't see anything inherent in non-subjective levels of order that points to the creation of science. Huh, I gotta think about this... I think I just got an insight- Thanks! I'm gonna go work on it. @Steen: Steen I would further your thought and say that the ’subjective’ is one with the ability to verify. I’m using subjective in terms of a dimension maybe; that part of us that carries our agency and experience that lies beyond the determined and automatic aspects of our existence. That we need to eat is determined and objective for us. That we create a dinner party is a subjective feat. In this sense it just occurred to me that science is itself an amazing subjective feat. This irony exists beyond language- I don’t see anything inherent in non-subjective levels of order that points to the creation of science. Huh, I gotta think about this… I think I just got an insight- Thanks! I’m gonna go work on it.

]]> By: Steen http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/02/12/darwin-and-the-vertigo-of-vision-beyond-the-science-v-religion-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4790 Steen Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:50:11 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2009/02/12/darwin-and-the-vertigo-of-vision-beyond-the-science-v-religion-debate/#comment-4790 I look at "subjective" as not verifiable, it is a personal experience. "Objective" as something evidenced- it can be independently verified. I look at “subjective” as not verifiable, it is a personal experience. “Objective” as something evidenced- it can be independently verified.

]]> By: Mike Gottschalk http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/02/12/darwin-and-the-vertigo-of-vision-beyond-the-science-v-religion-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4757 Mike Gottschalk Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:49:52 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2009/02/12/darwin-and-the-vertigo-of-vision-beyond-the-science-v-religion-debate/#comment-4757 @Steen. I agree whole heartedly with your recognition of the synergy possible in a complementary relation ship. (synergy- another word in need of rescue). I watched a Nova program the another night telling the whole, "neutrino count not matching the accepted math model depicting the sun's nuclear processes" story". I'd hate to be the one looking for 10 neutrinos; I love being the guy who gets excited by their discovery that neutrinos change and therefore have mass and therefore are affected by time. I think it points to time's role in the dimension of quality. It's only a hunch at this time, but it's something I'm thinking about. I've noticed that we share a use of the word "subjective"; can you talk a bit about your use? @Steen. I agree whole heartedly with your recognition of the synergy possible in a complementary relation ship. (synergy- another word in need of rescue). I watched a Nova program the another night telling the whole, “neutrino count not matching the accepted math model depicting the sun’s nuclear processes” story”. I’d hate to be the one looking for 10 neutrinos; I love being the guy who gets excited by their discovery that neutrinos change and therefore have mass and therefore are affected by time. I think it points to time’s role in the dimension of quality. It’s only a hunch at this time, but it’s something I’m thinking about.

I’ve noticed that we share a use of the word “subjective”; can you talk a bit about your use?

]]> By: roy http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/02/12/darwin-and-the-vertigo-of-vision-beyond-the-science-v-religion-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-4755 roy Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:01:12 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2009/02/12/darwin-and-the-vertigo-of-vision-beyond-the-science-v-religion-debate/#comment-4755 I don't consider that there are "extremists" in modern science. I think Mr. Johnson is setting up a straw man. Maybe if you were talking about eugenicists or Social Darwinists you could show a profound antisocial "extremism", or some in the atheist movement who use the same psychological tricks that huckster evangelists use. However, in mainstream science that dogmatic extremism doesn't really exist, because science follows the rules of inquiry that ALWAYS allow amendment and re-formation of scientific doctrine in the light of new evidence. I don’t consider that there are “extremists” in modern science. I think Mr. Johnson is setting up a straw man. Maybe if you were talking about eugenicists or Social Darwinists you could show a profound antisocial “extremism”, or some in the atheist movement who use the same psychological tricks that huckster evangelists use. However, in mainstream science that dogmatic extremism doesn’t really exist, because science follows the rules of inquiry that ALWAYS allow amendment and re-formation of scientific doctrine in the light of new evidence.

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