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Ha, I just went to see the bloggingheads clip and all I can think is “sankofa,” the Ghanian word meaning “returning to the past in order to move forward.” As you say Adam the stories have been told and I think we need to go back and look at those stories, the ones accepted and the ones rejected, and chose one that works with our understanding of the universe today. Of course we will ad our own spin of some sort to make it work better. I think we will find this to be the case not just with religion but with every aspect of human experience, the way we relate to the earth, how we organize ourselves, how we travel, how we educate and my preferred example as an architect, how we build our buildings. The beauty of uncompromising sustainable building is that it has already been developed for us. All we had to do was “return to the past in order to move forward.” What puts us up on the spiral perhaps is a better understanding of the dynamics of a building, insulation, regional climatic design etc., that is our spin. I expect the resolution to “the debate” is in the story and I think there is considerable irony that the story science needs to go back to is the same one that religion needs to go back to, that is that we live in a living, self creating, universe and not a mechanistic dead one that someone created for us a few friends to live on.

By: Howard Switzer

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I’m sure I don’t need to tell anyone that I am probably the least knowledgeable and least experienced of all of you here but I am fascinated with this discussion as I have always been with this subject. So I wade in despite being a bit short for this water. My first thought on Adam’s comment “The coolest thing about science is that, in its essence, it’s an open exploration—an honest appraisal of what we know and what we do not know.” was “yes, if the scientist is honest.” I thought it should also apply to one’s “religion” if that is one’s subjective experience or relationship with the whole cannot it also be an honest appraisal? “That is why human experience is worth including in the terrain.” I agree the map metaphor doesn’t work well, it is mono dimensional. One could integrate a couple more viewpoints and give it some perspective but it is still flat. The ‘Model’ on the other hand, thank you Peter, is an excellent metaphor as it integrates the many viewpoints. Phenomenology, seems to me, to approach a scientific word for religion but a bit too ogy for me. The structures we call “religions” are in general more political than spiritual so I tend to want to reclaim the word in the name of the human experience. If we are intent on getting beyond the debate science and religion need to marry and seek the blessing of everyone. After all, they are already living together in each of us.

By: Nick

Nick — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:50:18 +0000

Hello Adam, your discussion was terrific. You may be interested in the work of Alan Wallace — in particular, his intriguing arguments and research studies, building on William James, that subjectivity must be brought into science, via the “technology” of rigorous contemplative inquiry, in order to crack open our understanding of consciousness, and its relationship to the nature of reality:
* http://tinyurl.com/sbinstitute
* http://alanwallace.org/writings.htm (see Hidden Dimensions, in particular)