Gun Control's Newest Champion: Disney?

By Melissa Lafsky | July 8, 2008 11:57 am

Magic KingdomGun control advocates are reeling after the Supreme Court struck down a 32-year-old D.C. handgun ban, essentially handing a victory banner to the NRA. But now there’s cause to take heart: Disney’s got your back, thanks to a technological loophole.

While Florida recently enacted a law allowing residents with proper permits to keep guns locked in their cars at work, the state’s biggest corporate juggernaut has announced plans to exempt its 60,000 employees from the law. According to the Orlando Sentinel, the company has turned up its nose at lawmakers, circulating an internal memo advising employees that bringing unauthorized guns onto Disney property was grounds for termination.

The Big Mouse’s reasoning is this: The law contains a last-minute exemption for businesses that have obtained federal permits to use explosives. Of course, the bill’s authors intended the exemption to apply to defense plants and weapons manufacturers, but the House of Walt has also obtained such a permit—for fireworks in the Magic Kingdom.

Disney’s defiance has left state legislators—not to mention the NRA—furious, but the company isn’t alone; other big businesses in the state, including the the Florida Chamber of Commerce and the Florida Retail Federation, all oppose the law. Not to mention Universal Studios in Orlando, which claimed its own exemption on different grounds: Many of its workers are students in a work-study program, and the Orange County Public School System is excluded from the law. SeaWorld, meanwhile, is standing firm and siding with the legislature. Just in case its employees need to pack some heat during all those whale rescue missions.

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  1. Dan

    I supose it is time to add Disney to the boycott list.
    Why are companies so afraid of honest citizens having
    weapons? Their elitist opinion has been duly noted.
    I wonder if they employ armed guards to protect themselves,
    while denying that right of protection to their expendable
    clients.

  2. nam

    Realize that this essentially requires that from the time an employee leaves their home, till they return at the end of the day, they are disarmed. They just can’t tollerate the idea of people having the means to defend themselves from crime and predation. I’m sure Disney’s Senior Leadership have security guards to protect them, it’s elitisim to demand their employees not be able to protect themselves.

    Now, if Disney had lockers on entry to the facility where weapons had to be checked/stored, that might be understandable, as they have their own security on facility. There’s nothing reasonable about demanding that their employees be unarmed off-property however, and banning the vehicle as storage infringes the right of their employees to keep and bear their arms for legal purposes.

  3. Andy

    Let the gun lobby boycott Disney. The general public needs to learn about these ridiculous laws preventing employers from establishing certain public safety rules on their property. Is it elitist to be more concerned about the safety of all of your employees, as opposed to worrying about the “rights” of some employees who feel the need to bring their guns to work?

  4. Dan

    Andy,
    Why do you put “rights” in quotes? Do you not feel that self defense is a legitimate right?
    And the “gun lobby” that you refer to is not the boogeyman you make it out to be. It is the “general public” that will boycott Disney, not some fat guy in a suit in some smokey back office.
    You do make a good point about the balance between private property ownership rights and the rights of individuals to protect themselves. However, precident shows that the private propery rights of a corporation do not trump individual rights enumerated in law. For example, a business that employs more than a certain number of people is required to have wheelchair access. Also, private property rights do not allow an employer to only hire Irish males. Once you make profit by utilizing the services of other people, and the infrastructure of the community (ie. run a business) you are bound to follow the rules set forth by law, even on your own property. One of those laws allows for employees to provide for their own safety when traveling to and from work. Why should private property rights trump this fundamental, Constitutionally protected right?

    -Dan

  5. Nam

    Andy,
    What threat do lawful and responsible persons pose to “safety of employees”? None. What criminal will heed such a regulation? None. By default, the policy does nothing to prevent criminally minded persons from carrying a firearm, but only restricts persons who are no threat.

    If the policy didn’t result in a defacto abridgement on the right of employees to keep and bear arms off-property and off-hours during transit to and from their homes, perhaps there wouldn’t be an issue. As I mentioned, if Disney allowed the firearms to be checked in on entering the property, and retrieved on the way out, there would be less of a concern.

    We need to stop infringing on the civil rights of lawful and responsible persons, and instead shift the focus to those who’s conduct has truly raised concern, such as persons convicted of violent crime that are frequently paroled early only to commit more crime, or persons who represent a danger to themselves or others due to mental illness that are not identified by the mental health system so as not to “ruin their future”.

    The bottom line, and the thing that must be challenged across America, is the presumption of guilt or criminal intent being applied to all citizens even if they have done nothing to warrant it.

  6. Mike

    I’m in agreeance with the boycott Disney position. Note that this law isn’t about letting people come into their office and toss their .38 snubby up onto the desk. This is simply about them keeping their guns in the cars for goodness sakes. People have things to do before and after work. The state has already passed laws and approved many people to carry a concealed weapon for protection purposes. If they don’t want me to carry at work, then fine, but it’s ludicrous to presume to tell someone that they can’t store their gun in the car out in the parking lot.

  7. John

    While the author of this blog has clear anti-gun sentiments, I am heartened by the responses. Clearly the ability to provide for one’s personal defense is a time honored tradition. Police do not prevent crimes against people, they merely attempt to arrest those who commit the crime, after the fact. I do not know of any instance in which a mugger, rapist or robber, armed with a weapon, laid the weapon down once he or she was informed that they were violating the law. Nor have they ever agreed to defer their attack to allow their victim time to call 911 and for the police to arrive.

    If an employer decides to deny an employee the ability to protect themselves while traveling to and from work, I believe that the employer should also assume the liability for any injury or death that befalls that employee due their inability to protect themselves. By announcing its decision, Disney has basically “rung the dinner bell” to carjackers, etc. that Disney employees are “sitting ducks”.

  8. Robert

    Not surprisingly, you got it all backwards. This wasn’t some newfound position for Disney, based on their sudden realization that they might be able to claim exemption under the provisions dealing with federal explosives permits. Disney has been the primary opponent of this law for years, which is why it wasn’t passed until just a couple of months ago, despite several years of attempts to get it done. And the explosives permit provision wasn’t put in for defense factories. They are already specifically excluded. The provision was put in by Disney specifically for Disney. But a misreading (intentional?) of the facts isn’t surprising for someone who is so clueless about what the law is even about to begin with.

  9. Bambi

    I think Disney should have the right to exclude guns from their property. I also think that if they do, they should be held STRICTLY LIABLE for any damages or injury that results from circumstances where having a gun MIGHT have made a difference to any person en route to, at or enroute from Disney property.

    For example, Joe decides to take his kids to Disney World. Mindful of their firearms policy, he leaves his gun at home. As goes outside to get into his car. A stray dog bites him.

    Disney is liable.

    JoAnne, a delivery driver, who doesn’t own a gun, and isn’t aware of Disney’s policy, gets into a fender-bender on the way to deliver packages. She delivered a package to the administrative offices of Disney four hours earlier. The other person involved in the collision is an anti-gun journalist who pulls out his gun (ala Carl Rowan) and shoots JoAnne.

    Disney is liable.

    A tourist family from Milwaukee arrives in Orlando and checks into their hotel. They plan to visit Disney the next day. Unfortunately, they are robbed in the parking lot of their hotel.

    Disney is liable.

    This represents an appropriate balancing of rights and responsibilities. Disney can exercise its right to exclude firearms, but it then assumes the responsibility for the safety of everyone who might be injured by their exercise of that right. This is the same standard applied to gun owners. For example, if you’re a Sky Marshall and you leave your gun in the lavatory on an airplane… oh never mind. TSA never accepts responsibility for any of their stupidity.

    But you get the idea.

    If you’re a private citizen carrying a gun, and you shoot the wrong person, or otherwise make reckless use of your firearm – YOU are responsible.

    Fair enough?

  10. Bambi

    I wonder if Disney will next ban blacks from their park? The argument made by the hotel owner in the Heart of Atlanta v. US case was that, …”the act violated his… rights to choose customers and operate his business as he wished…” (Wikipedia)

    Isn’t that what Disney is saying?

    Of course Disney hasn’t stated a purpose for its discrimination (as far as I know) but it can’t be “safety” since concealed carry permit holders are substantially more law-abiding than the general public, the legislators who draft the laws and the police who enforce the laws.

    Maybe the reason is the same as in the Heart of Atlanta case… plain, old-fashioned, pig-ignorance and prejudice.

  11. Radi Grund

    On July 3 the Orlando Sentinel reported that the Florida legislature DID NOT intend for WDW’s exemption. The Sentinel quotes legislator Peaden:

    “I intended it to exempt places like defense plants, Air Force bases, things like that,” said Peaden, who sponsored the bill in the Senate. “But not Disney. Not at all.”

    orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-disneyguns0308jul03,0,197883.story

    Until the state exempts Disney-it is they who are testing the limits of the law, not Edwin Sotomayer.

    Corporations are not allowed to make public policy and interpret the laws of Florida. This is the role and duty of the state. Imagine if Walmart or Burger King or Starbucks decided to interpret the laws and make public policy.

    Disney is engaging in civil disobedience; a courageous thing perhaps…but perhaps a reckless thing too.

  12. Lucius Fieldon

    Do you think it will be a lawfully abiding citizen that has gone through the process of getting a permit that will go nutjob crazy and shoot up Disney? I don’t, I would be happy as you know what if there was someone there packing heat to cover my back if I got caught in the line of fire.

  13. Timbo

    Bambi,

    Be real for goodness sake…the real danger of liability resides with the gun owner…as 10s of thousands die every year as a result of owning a gun…and NOT as a result of failure to defend yourself. What do you think will happen to the Disney business model when ONE deranged/unbalanced employee gun owner opens fire in the parks. It ain’t gonna be good.

    Disney has every right to protect itself…just like the right you claim you need. And it is their property. You can’t have it both ways.

    Any real examination of facts shows that guns are many times more likely to kill their owners, a family member or a friend, then they are likely to be used in self-defense to prevent an armed attack or burglary. You want that risk…assume it yourself…don’t force others to assume that risk.

  14. Theresa

    So, because Disney does NOT allow persons to protect themselves legally while on THEIR premises, when the criminals (who don’t follow the law to begin with) attack us in the parking lot, can we then sue Disney for aiding and abetting? I mean, they are preventing us from protecting ourselves, right? Thus if we get murdered because we cannot protect ourselves, can our survivors not charge them with being an accessory to murder? Really Disney is tying our hands behind our backs in preventing us from defending ourselves. The criminals already know Disney doesn’t allow firearms.

  15. Wyatt

    Timbo, am I missing something here, 10″s of thousands that die as a result of owning a gun? How do you figure that?

  16. Wyatt

    Timbo your quote of “Any real examination of facts shows that guns are many times more likely to kill their owners, a family member or a friend, then they are likely to be used in self-defense to prevent an armed attack or burglary” is one of the most ludicrous statements I have ever heard.

  17. The last post by “Timbo” is a typical recitation of “pseudofacts” manufactured by the liberal press.
    Any examination of REAL facts would reveal that all of those babblings are B.S. nonsense.
    Would that nonsense be the case; the introduction of mandatory-issue concealed programs in each state would have resulted in increases of crime and injury, instead of the decreases that have been experienced in the real world.

  18. David

    Lets dont overlook an important part of this law – “invited guest and visitors” do not have to comply with this law, even if they park in the same lot. It is for employees only, not visitors or guest. Working at Universal, which is making some of the same statements to its employees, were all waiting to see who is going to be the “test” to the law. It will take time, maybe several years to work out.

  19. Militia March

    I can’t wait until someone gets attacked on their way to or from work, and because they are unable to defend themselves sues their employer – especially Disney – for contributing to the crime by disarming the victim.

  20. Russell

    Disney is not above the law. I live ten miles from Disney, crime around Disney is very high. Disney hide most crime that occurs on their property by paying off duty office to look the other way. Self defense is a human right. No weapon are allowed into the parks, only inside the staffs locked vehicles.

  21. Don

    The criminals will have guns, no stopping that. All the awful shootings at schools, malls, and other public places end the same way. The shooter(s) die. Sometimes they kill themselves, sometimes they are shot. Anything that speeds up getting them shot is a good idea. A private citizen that has responsibly taken the training, been finger printed, and earned the right to a concealed carry permit is someone I want to have a gun on their person, ready to act if needed. While I respect an employers right inside their work buildings, to refuse employees to keep firearms in their vehicles is stupid. I like Bambi’s comments on Disney being liable.

  22. The state of Florida has ruled on the individual rights of individuals to store a firearm in their vehicle at work. Where they screwed up was putting any loophole or provision in it to abridge that right. The legislator should correct their error. Looks like I’ll be going to Sea World and Busch Gardens (both owned by Anheuser Busch) instead of spending my money at Disney and Universal.

  23. FlaBchBum

    It’s nice to see such a fair and balanced reporting on the issue, kudo’s to Discover magazine for a balanced approach to journalism.

    I’m interested to see what kind of teeth the law has and how soon will busnesses like Disney be prosecuted under the new law.

    and Seawold rocks! I was planning a trip to Universal Studios for 5 days next month, but will now instead go to Seaworld, Busch Gardens, and Aquatica. It’s also nice to see a company respect the lives AND the civil rights of their employee’s. I go to Disney every year for a week and now will be making plans to only patronize businesses that respect my rights. Sorry Mickey, your company is a bunch of Commies!

    thats all im saying….

  24. FL_GunOwner

    Not surprised to see the author was an associate editor @ Huffington P. LOL

    Where exactly do the anti-gun zealots, come to the conclusion that a firearm, locked in a vehicle is a safety hazard to them ?

    Where do they get the idea, that laws prevent shootings ?

    Where do they get the idea that anyone needs a CWP to have a weapon in their vehicle ?

    Guess what ? FACT – Unless you are dealing with Federal property, I (or anyone) has the same rights of possession to property in their car, as they do their home. A CWP has nothing to do with it. As long as it is in my vehicle (even if said vehicle is in a parking lot of business X), the weapon is in/on MY property. Now, the second I step out of the vehicle with the weapon on me that is a different ballgame alltogether, we are not discussing that however.

  25. Todd

    Timbo: Your facts are unsubstantiated and incorrect. I refer you to the works of John R. Lott, previously the John M. Olin Visiting Law and Economics Fellow at the University of Chicago Law School. In particular, a review of “More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws” is informative since this work is replete with verifiable citations. If you examine the bulk of citations supporting your premise, you will find that they overwhelmingly cite to media reports based on expert opinion rather than empirical data. Some experts refer to supporting data, however instead of providing source data, they only provide summaries or conclusions.

  26. Fed Up

    Yet another uninformed lib spouting off and revealing their ignorance. First, private companies do not get a “pass” on the Bill of Rights. When the Founding Fathers said “the people,” they meant THE PEOPLE. When citizens have the right to peaceably assemble, speak their minds (even if it’s complete stupidity like the writer of this blog), and are armed, it prevents a tyrant from taking control. You might want to spend some time learning history to find out the first thing dictators like Hitler and Castro did was to ban private ownership of firearms. Second, the Bill of Rights are NOT rights granted by the government, they are our God-given rights — the line in the sand that the founders wanted to insure government never crossed. Third, are any of you libs EVER going to say what the law really allows? It does not allow employees to bring guns INTO the work place, it only allows employees who hold concealed weapons permits (and thereby have under gone an extensive criminal background check) to keep firearms SECURED IN THEIR VEHICLES! So miss lib blogger, the workers at Sea World are NOT “packing heat” as you imply. I bet you and people like you are “embarrassed” to be Americans too! What a bunch of losers!

  27. TinFl

    First off Bambi:

    “If you’re a private citizen carrying a gun, and you shoot the wrong person, or otherwise make reckless use of your firearm – YOU are responsible.”

    Law Enforcement Officers are held libel for all out come if they use their weapon good or bad.

    Now Timbo:

    “Be real for goodness sake…the real danger of liability resides with the gun owner…as 10s of thousands die every year as a result of owning a gun”

    Where are these 10’s of thousands that die because they own guns? Are these guns emitting some dangerous radiation that is causing unexplained cancer in their owners? Or perhaps you are referring to the people who purchase illegal weapons because an irresponsible sub culture preaches that you aren’t a man unless you “pop a cap” in anyone who makes you mad.

    The cornerstone issue is not gun ownership but illegal gun ownership.

  28. Neville Robeson

    Disney has stepped over the line for sure. I have been a fan of Disney for many years and an investor of their shares as well. This assault on the rights of the people has given me have a change of heart and I have divested my position of all shares in the company. I will not visit the park again until they re-think their stance.

    I would like to say that I feel a real pride in reading some of the posts here that defend the right to keep and carry a weapon. This is the most precious right of all and we need to stand strong against the idiots that see no value in it. I salute you.

  29. Dan

    Timbo,
    The danger does not lie with the gun owner. The danger lies with the person who is getting shot at. Owning a gun does not increase your likelyhood of getting shot, there is simply a correlation between people who are shot, and people who have guns in the home. There is not an established cause and effect relationship.
    The Kellerman study to which you refer, simply showed that of those that were killed with a gun, most had a gun in their home. This could be explained by the fact that most that were killed had a criminal background, and most criminals have guns. It can also be explained by the fact that around half of households have guns in them.
    The Kellerman study has been debunked many times.
    See here http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html
    and here http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,7217,00.html
    A study done in Baltimore showed that around 90% of homicide victims had previous criminal records, and nationally around 70% of murderers have prior convictions for violent crime.
    This implies that the way to avoid being murdered is to not commit crimes, and to not associate with criminals. Gun ownership rates are typically higher in rural areas, and murder rates are typically much lower in rural areas. Did Kellerman address this contradiction to his results? No.
    The law in Florida only allows those with a concealed weapons permit to carry a weapon in their cars. Criminals cannot get a CWP, neither can anyone with any history of violent crime, or mental defectiveness.
    Lastly, anyone bent on opening “fire in the parks” will not be dissuaded from doing so because he is afraid he might get fired for violating the weapons policy of Disney.

    -Dan

  30. Chad

    I dont know why the people that work there cant keep there mouth shut and bring them anyways. They dont check your cars. So bring your gun for your saftey and hope you never need to use it, and if you do, you lose your job but at least you still have your life.

  31. Shawn

    As the parking lot is Disneys property, an employees car is private and disney should have no right to search it.

    And Timbo as you might be correct that facts show that guns are many times more likely to kill their owners, a family member or a friend, then they are likely to be used in self-defense to prevent an armed attack or burglary, these are more times by people that are NOT PROPPERLY TRAINED in the use of handguns. anyone with a clean record can buy a gun and obtain a Carry Permit, BUT are they trained to use it and secure it?

    Its also a fact that every year over 2,000,000 americans use firearms to preserve life and limb. ( and there not all Law Enforcement).

    As far as an Employee going nuts and shooting up his place of employment(ie. Disney) whats to stop this person from driving home to retreive his handgun and coming back???

    Such anti-gun laws do nothing but leave lawfully abiding citizen’s Un-ptotected and easy targets, they do not affect criminal’s, when was the last time you heard of a criminal obeying the law!!!

  32. The Other David

    Lest we not overlook the best part. By “exempting” themselves of the new law, they are “exempting” themselves for the protection the law provides emplyers.

    The new law states that employers now are protected from litigation resulting from and incident involving a firearm. By exempting themselves, Disney does not want that protection obviously.

    People brought firearms to Disney before, both employees and customers, and will still continue to do so. It is not likely that they checked the vehicles of the stated 60,000 employees every day. According to the law, you do NOT need a CC to have a firearm in your vehicle, but do now in order to have one locked in your car at work.

    The major issue the new law dealt with was to relieve the responsibility of firearm incidents from the employer, and put it where it belongs, on the GUN OWNER. The anti-gun people are trying to divert attention from the big change the new law created, by trying to get people to thing humanity will end because of something alot of people already did.

  33. FlaBchBum

    BTW

    Under the new Gun Law:

    1) Businesses are no longer liable if someone who has a gun in their car uses it to harm anyone on the property. Disney has No Liability if someone “goes nuts and shoots up the place”

    2) This law Only allows you to keep a gun in your car, Not carry it on your person

    3) Private Property Rights DO NOT Trump Individual Rights. It is really that simple. Our Individual Civil Rights are greater than even our governments rights, and especially our property rights. Libs/Commies/Democrats just dont get that. Read the Constitution sometime, it is really amazing stuff!

  34. Patrick

    Like David said,
    Customers and visiters are not stopped from having a firearm in their vehicles. The law only applies to the workers of the companies. By the new law, workers that hold a concealed carry license are allowed to keep a firearm in their locked vehicle(no matter what company policy states) Workers that dont hold a CCL are not allowed to have a firearm in their vehicle if the company policy states they dont allow firearms on the property.
    Its a simple law. Second amendment!!!

  35. Fergus

    Lets see, The Orlando Rat says not in my backyard or my parking lot, yet, we (including myself) who have been trained in the use and care of firearms, who have proved we are proficient in the use of that firearm and we who submit to extensive background checks, fingerprinting and all the other things we go through to be able to carry our weapons, are not allowed to exercise our right of self defense. In the last count, 85% of Floridians support the decision our state legislators made when they enacted the Guns in your CAR bill, not, as the Brady Campaign and the Florida Chamber call it, the “guns to work bill”. Gun free zones and anti gun laws say one thing loud and clear, it tells a felon that no one here is going to be able to do anything when you decide you want to carjack, rob us or worst of all cause great bodily harm to our person. Calling 911 is a good thing and recommended as a first line of thought, but with that thought you must be realistic, they will not prevent the crime in most cases, the damage will be done by the time that that patrol car arrives. I prefer to be alive to file my side of the story or to face the consequences if I have made an error in my judgement. As for the anti gun hype that says guns kill their owners, it is just that, Hype shoved down our throats by the likes of the Brady Campaigns warning billboards that warn tourists that Floridians can use deadly force to defend themselves and that they should think twice before coming here to vacation. Responsible gun ownership is a right provided to us by the second amendment (which by the way was not granted by the Supreme Court, It was granted in the Constitution many years ago), criminals that use guns have in most cases already committed a felony by even being in possession of a firearm, which brings me to my last point, gun laws really only penalize honest, law abiding gun owners, criminals do not, have not and never will obey any handgun laws. I prefer to stay the way the second amendment affords me, to be armed, responsible and alive with the ability to LAWFULLY defend myself.

    written by a former narcotics officer

  36. John

    Disney’s position only prevents employees from protecting themselves in the coming and going to work. It doesn’t prevent customers from exercising their rights to bear arms. In Florida, concealed permit or not, you can carry a loaded gun in your car, provided it is in a compartment with a lid and latch (i.e. center console/glovebox). I assure you that there are many well-armed customers. The only thing Disney has done is put their employees at great risk to criminals outside of the workplace. Rest assured, someone will be hurt, someone will sue, and Disney will pay. Current Disney employees may consider changing their routes to work to include the roughest neighborhood in town to expedite the process.

  37. Ron H.

    I love when the NRA and their die hard supporters lose a round. Clearly from all the whining here, you just can’t handle it when some sanity prevails with regard to gun laws. Go ahead, boycott Disney. I beg you. If you don’t like the policies they have in place for THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY, then don’t work there and don’t spend your vacation there. That will mean a few less gun toting nut balls on the property for me and my family to worry about. Of course, like EVERY right wing organization that has launched a boycott of Disney in the past, your efforts will ultimately fail. The NRA represents an extreme core of those who choose to own firearms in this country. They do not represent the typical gun owner who is a law abiding citizen with a life that does not revolve around their firearm 24/7. I’m not going to try and argue with gun extremists by using facts when it comes to gun violence and the complete lack of any statistical evidence that personal gun ownership [a] makes you any safer or [b] deters violent criminals from committing their heinous acts. There are hundreds of NON-PARTISAN studies here and abroad that point to the truth but, as you can see here, the NRA cadre likes to stick their head in the sand and trot out the tired, old “liberal media” defense. The NRA and it’s core of vocal supporters do not care about facts. Period. They want a fully armed society and reveal their “High Noon” mentality with support of legislation like this in Florida.

  38. Ron H.

    By the way…you might want to check crime statistics for Disney property and compare them with those in the surrounding metro-Orlando area. You are infinitely safer on their property than you are roaming the streets of O-Town. Oh, FLABCHBUM, you must not have been to church lately. Indeed, private property rights DO trump individual rights every day in this country. Religious organizations are routinely exempted from many of the laws that support our individual rights and pay no taxes on their often vast property holdings. Private organizations that receive no government funding are also routinely exempted from many local, state and federal laws. Heard of the Boy Scouts? Sorry if the facts get in the way of your anti-liberal hysteria. Now go back and hug your gun.

  39. FL_GunOwner

    Exactly. Disney, the local shopping mall, Publix, Wal-Mart, whomever…. they can post a sign stating no weapons allowed, they can publish policy, a homeowner can say “no guns in my home”. Thing is, NONE OF IT has any force of law.

    However, a property owner, or designated representative, may ask you to leave, or, better yet, tell you to leave. They need not say why. If you do not leave immediatley, then they may have you Trespassed. In the case of having a weapon on your person at the time, then you would have just been guilty of an Armed Trespass.

    Printing a sign, and publishing a policy, making a news release, does not mean a new law just happened.

  40. Larry

    Timbo get your facts straight. (U.S. Department of Justice) From 1997 to 2005 Gun related crime has fell 39% overall. More than 1/2 of all gun related deaths are suicides. In 2004 66% of 16,137 murders were committed with a firearm. Not good, but I wonder what else they were using?) Note that the drop in gun violence and deaths are in direct correlation to Florida and many other States adopting concealed weapon permit laws. Florida has an average of (3) gun related deaths per 100,00 permit holders.
    Since 1987 when Florida initiated the CCP only 0.02% permits have been permantly Revoked. Bottom line is that crime of all types have gone down drastically in States that allow their citizens to defend themselves and others. So check your facts before you shoot (Woops) your mouth off.

  41. Ed

    My family, friends and I began boycotting Disney when it thumbed its corporate nose at its patrons by refusing to warn parents and children when it held Gay Pride Week at Disney and refused to issue refunds when people stumbled upon it. If you ever have the misfortune to unwittingly attend this Disney-sponsored circus, you’ll understand.

    This incident is just another of ultra-left Disney’s sanctimonious acts and it’s time they were severely punished where it huts most: in the corporate wallet.

  42. Marty

    Having a firearm in my possession has kept my wife and I from becoming a victim at least twice as of recent memory. I live in South Florida where there is a serious problem with strong arm robberies in parking lots with patrons leaving a retail store. Once I was acosted by three men one wielding a stick the other time my wife was putting groceries in the car when she was approached by a man from behind who reached into our car. Both times the bad-guys fled when I quickly produced my Glock 19 and gave a loud verbal warning. The second amendment was exactly written for just such occassions. The police are not always there to protect you and you should not expect them to. They are more times then not after the fact. The Founding Fathers knew exactly what they were doing. It is obvious by their individual writings on the matter of personal gun ownership. Disney is acting with the typical “Nanny” mentality that people need to be controlled. Forget about personal responsibility and Freedon, you don’t want or need that. We’ll take care of you… Really. Oh I forgot, when you get robbed at Disney World, Mickey dosen’t need a gun!

  43. CJ

    Simple solution…revoke Disney’s permit to use explosives! I’m sure we’ll get over it if we don’t see a fireworks show. Although not employed by the mouse, I, for one, always carry, even if and when I visit the Mickey land.

  44. 50Barrett

    This is cut and dry. I am a gun owner and a proud member of the N.R.A. I have been shot in the past by criminals. I will carry my guns anywhere I please in accordance with the laws and my concealed weapons permit allow. A loophole will not sway my actions one bit. Disney as well as other buisnesses can only tell you you are fired or to leave the property if you are a patron. Guess what, I have carried my pistols while my freinds and family were in Disney, Universal and the Homestead and Daytona 500 races. I will not stand by when it comes to mine and my families saftey or even a innocent stranger for that matter. Anyone who does not own and carry a weapon for self deffense should realy think things through.

    What if you walked away from your family while at a establishment to use the restroom and returned to see the buisness was being robed. You look and see your wife or husband and children as well as a employee on their knees pleeding for their life!!! Next thing you know, the assailiant pulls the trigger and shoots the attendant of the buisness establishment and now is moving the gun towards your family….. What do you? Fact being that you are one of those anti-gun people who do not believe in our constitution and dont own a gun. This is the part where you wished to God you had a gun and exercise your constitutional right to bear arms.

    If you choose not to own a gun, that is your choice and right. However, do not push your anti-gun garbage to the point where they are trying to ban guns because you are scared you will shoot yourself. Get some training for Godsake. No one was a pro the first time they did everything. You have to walk before you crawl. If you try to skip a step you can get hurt. Guns are like alot of things on this earth. If you are not trained to handle them, you could injure or kill yourself or others. Can a car not ijure or kill if its not used properly? Did you not have instructions and training on how to operate a motor vehical as well as being tested? Did you get a drives license? Have cars been considered weapons in court cases under certain circumstanses.

    The answer obviously should have been yes to all those question. So with that in mind, maybey we should try to ban motor vehicals too!!! That way no one can accidentley injure or kill anyone. After that, we can lock each other in padded rooms for the rest of our lives to ensure no other accidents happen either.

  45. Ben

    Human rights are inalienable, meaning they are unchanging. Self-defense is a human right; it’s unchanging. What changes the unchanging when you enter Disneyland? Which other human rights do you lose on Disney’s property? The right to breathe? The right not to be tortured? Every criminal assault IS torture. The presumption of innocence is a human right; gun control disarms people because it presumes them guilty of a crime. So, gun control violates the presumption of innocence, another human right. Violating the rights of thousands or millions of people represents thousands or millions of crimes. Gun control pretends to reduce criminality but increases it hugely. How does a massive crime increase reduce crime?

  46. Alan Pratt

    A “gun-free” zone is synonymous with an open invitation to criminals or otherwise deranged bearers of ill will, to “come on down!” Those of us who hold a concealed weapon permit have voluntarily submitted to the necessary scrutiny and training for one purpose: to protect oneself against armed criminals. Any law enforcement agency in the Country will tell you that its primary obligation is to protect society as a whole and not the individual. Given the seemingly unending supply of armed criminals how can overworked and understaffed law enforcement be expected to be omnipresent in order to protect each individual?

    Well-intentioned legislators have actually unknowingly exacerbated violence when they have created gun-free zones such as schools and college campuses. Had duly-licensed-to-carry faculty, students or visitors been armed at Virginia Tech, there is a strong possibility that the deranged shooter could have been neutralized with many lives saved.

    I have asked the NRA, as well as done personal research, and can find not one single instance where a person with a concealed weapon permit has ever committed an act of armed violence with a weapon “illegally” taken into a school or gun-free zone. Any number of police and sheriff’s deputies have told me that if I were in a mall and, becuse I was legally armed, stopped a ciminal or lunatic from randomly slaughtering innocent civilians,they would not know how to thank me enough for being there when they were not. I doubt that the concept of what is tantamount to an armed militia of citizens licensed to carry concealed weapons would seem to our Founding Fathers in any way inconsistent with their intentions when writing the Second Ammendment.

  47. don isaac

    Timbo spouts all of the lies of the Brady idiots
    He has to be one of thier 20 menbers. I wonder
    if they used bleach when they brain wahed him.

  48. R. Allen Hodges

    Let me just say, I hope Disney World has enjoyed the money my family has spent in the past, for I can insure you that as for this family and others at my unit we will never daken the doors of that park again. We in the United States Military have fought for the Constitution and what it stands for and when a Company that large wastes its money on lawyers to find a way to thumb there noses at the Supreme Court and search the vehicals of there employees for only one reason. I think every family in America should botcott them and let them make there money off of the many millions of tourist from other countries that hate our freedom and values.Or just move to one of those countries and let that land go back to the way it used to be, some of the best cattle land in the state of Florida.

  49. Garrett

    Guns are bad, guns kill people. Don’t all of you know that. Why would you ever hold the individual responsible for their actions. It’s the guns fault, and all the law abiding citizens that follow the laws in the first place. BAD GUNS, BAD BAD GUNS. Sorry, had to break it down to the liberal level.

    So why are Disney’s employee’s lives any less important than the rest of Floridians. You can bet the original Walt Disney is turning over in his grave at the blatent disregard for our constitution and the protection it offers individuals. Second Ammendment Primer is a book where a member of the ACLU(American Communist Liberties Union) set out to disprove the Second Ammendment and actually realized it meant excatly what it said. Imagine that. At least one liberal can read.(I know, I know, immature insults) It’s fitting though.

  50. I could see Disney’s position only on the grounds that their employment contracts prohibits employees from bringing weapons onto their grounds. That would be a legitimate condition of employment a person would have to accept in order to take the job. Then Disney has a contractual means to fire someone. But if that is not in existing employment contracts, it seems to me that Disney has a problem with obeying Florida Law.

    I am a democrat but am opposed to gun control laws because only law abiding people are affected by them, leaving the criminals to arm themselves as they see fit.

    Since we KNOW criminals won’t obey such laws all that lawmakers are saying with any control law is, “let’s let criminals have guns but let’s disarm everyone else”

    But until I know the situation re. Disney employment agreements I have to with hold judgment on this one. I’m sure that as we speak, Disney’s attorneys are busy re-writing their employment agreements for future employees.

  51. Cw

    I bet that Walet Disney World does not publish facts on rapes,muggigins,autos broken into, thefts from rooms at the hotels on there property .And if it is so safe why do they need there on security people in the first place ? Its called a false sense of saftey and they are not going to jeperdise any lose of monies becasuse of what they think ,and how they want to present its self to the general public thats whhy the call it the Magic Kingdom . Face it folks peolple like Disney and others feel they are a law only to themselves thats why they have a gajillon law dogs working for them that they pay a ton of money to and its not for any other reason than to keep people from sueing them when bad things happen to you or your kids ,to bad Disney did not disclouse any facts about the people that haven fallen victum to predatory people employes as well as guest lets all take a trip to fantasy land.

  52. Dave H

    My family loves Disney World and we visit just about every year, but this policy is ludicrous!

    Just last year a couple was abducted at gun point from the Downtown Disney parking lot. The idea that Disney can completely prevent anyone from bringing a gun onto its property is a delusion. Instead of worrying about a licensed, law abiding employee whose gun is locked in his car, they better start focusing on the crime that occurs in the less secure parts of the property.

    With regard to its employees, it is unfair to ask folks to disarm themselves while traveling to work. Crime stories from the Orlando area make it onto the web and into the local New York papers just about everyday. Orlando is as risky a place to live as any other city and people have the right to protect themselves.

    I expect that, as is usually the case with large corporations, this policy is driven by liability concerns. The corporate lawyers and Disney’s insurers have probably determined that allowing their employees to keep a gun locked in their private car poses a financial risk to the company. However, as pointed out by Bambi, I think it will just be a matter of time until some Disney Employee becomes a crime victim while unarmed because they were traveling to or from work. And you can all but guarantee that a suit will follow that will not only cost Disney some money, but will be a black eye to the company due to this myopic policy.

  53. Patrick

    I will not patronize Disney or Universal from this point on. If a company that is geared towards children decides to sidestep the law through a loophole, that shows me their true colors. Nope, no Mouse for me, I will however be more than happy to take my grandkids to Seaworld and B. Gardens. I will encourage my out of state relatives and friends to avoid the rodent and instead spend their money at Seaworld and BG.

    Timbo, you’re misinformed my poor fellow. What you stated sounds like it came straight from HCI’s website. Fact is, there are no statisics that prove you comments, since the only information that the anti-gun crowd can use, is invented by themselves. 10s of thousands? Think about what you typed.

    Interesting thought: if the State of Florida had passed a law making it illegal for a business to force an employee or vistor to allow their private vehicle to be searched, I bet there wouldn’t have been all this fuss and the ultimate goal would still have been reached.

    Think I will go pop the top on a cold beer. Guess what brand!

  54. Thunder

    Disney has been a left-wing outfit since Walt died. Remember it is Disney that owns ABC News, so this whole gun thing is not out of character.

  55. ED MALONEY

    TO ALL THE ANTI GUNNERS: LAw abiding citizens are not the criminals. Disney thinks they are above the law and the size of their corporation makes them think they can dictate policy for the individual and the state. Dont you know what this smells of? Fachism (yea its probably not spelled right) but thats what it is pure and simple. Yes I have my CCW and I feel safer knowing I can protect myself, my family or even strangers at a restaurant etc if a criminal wants to make them a statistic. The police can’t be everywhere 24/7. The point being Disney thinks its above the lawe and no one is…

  56. jak

    To ALL Disney Employees: How to win the Disney Lottery!

    Buy a gun and get a concealed weapons permit. Then either:
    (a) disobey the mouse’s guidelines and protect yourself but enjoy the punitive award from a lawsuit against Disney if Disney should fire you
    (b) obey the mouse and leave your gun at home but but enjoy the damages from a lawsuit against Disney if you should come under attack (make sure your loved ones are aware of this fact in the event the attack is fatal)

    Some REAL stats:
    # of law abiding citizens committing gun crimes: 0
    # of criminals that obey the laws: 0
    % of criminals that want more gun control laws: 100%

    Wise up!

  57. Concerned Citizen

    I love how the example is always used that ” all it takes is one nutjob…” they previosly had a statistic on the Florida Dept. Of Agriculture, the issueing body of the conceal carry permits that stated a regular citizen without a conceal carry permit was 400% more likley to commit a crime than a conceal-carry permit holder. Permit holders by thier very nature tend to be very law abiding citizens. The adovactes for more gun control, on the other hand often tend to be, well wealthy and not in much need to worry about defending themselves. The author of this article is a former attorney and writer for the New York post etc, Micheal Bloomburge, a billionaire, Rosie O’donnel, famous TV personality/comedian etc. these people that think you don’t need a gun because you probably don’t in the Mayor’s mansion or on the upper east side penthouse suite. hell you don’t need one at Disney, but lets face it, alot of use have to drive back home after a trip to the magic kingdom without the benefit of a limo complete with body guards. Come spend a week in East fort myers and see if you still think you don’t need a gun to protect yourself and your family. The facts are that the 37 states with conceal carry permits have had declining crime rates ever since there introduction where as the violent crime rates in places like NYC, Chicago, and LA continue to rise to new levels.

  58. Shawn

    So since employees cant carry on Disney property( parking lot, in their cars) does this mean they are providing 24 hr security to prevent an employee from getting assulted or killed, or a family ( some who carry large amounts of cash) from getting mugged an assulted while visiting their property , will they assume responsibility for such incident should it occur.Criminals now know that employees and people visiting are now un-armed.

  59. e3mrk

    The Law should read that if a Person Who is licensed for Concealed carry is denied that right and said Person becomes a victim of a Violent Crime on the posted Property then the Owner/Owners would be held Liable by Law for any and all Injuries and for Compensation to said Injured Person.

  60. tom

    I am deeply, greatly, grievously concerned that Disney has a fireworks permit that allows it to store fireworks in such a haphazard manner that a lawfully permitted gun locked in a car in employee parking when combined with the storage of fireworks could create a public hazard.
    I recommend that all fireworks permits be immediately suspended until it can be proved that their storage is not susceptable to this hazard.
    Someone call 911.

  61. greg

    I already e-mailed disney and let them no will not be taking any cruises with them or visiting there parks

  62. Rob Hewitt

    This is a simple problem. Disney asserts its right to protect itself, its property and its customers by not allowing guns on its property. Fine. The public asserts its right under the constitution to keep and bear. DONT GO TO DISNEY, or go to Disney and keep your gun CONCEALED where it belongs, out of sight, not subject to scrutiny, if Mickey Mouse or GOOFEY cant see it, he cant complain about it. WDW does not yet have the right to search your vehicle or your person before entering, if they try, I would love to see the drive by liberal media try and bury that quietly.

    MONEY TALKS, boycott the mouse and all of his liberal cronies. No cartoon character is going to violate my constitutional rights.

  63. CCW Holder

    Miss or Mrs or Ms. Lafsky, whatever it is trying to be PC here.

    At the end of the day we have won, the supreme court has ruled and are right remain intact for now.

    It amazes me how badly this is effecting you and the rest of the anti-gun people out there. Resorting to down right lying, spinning, and deception. Call it the “take guns to work” law (spin) and running poles such as the WFTV.com pole..

    “The NRA is taking aim at Disney. A new law just went on the books in Florida that says people are allowed to bring their guns to work, but it’s not the case at Central Florida’s largest employer. Do you think Disney employees should be allowed to bring guns to work?”

    WTH? Do you see this crap? “PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO BRING THEIR GUNS TO WORK”

    This is crazy, a lie and deceptive. I dont think they were expecting 80% of those polled to reply YES.

    http://www.wftv.com/news/16784153/detail.html

    Thank GOD anti-gunners are the minority here in Florida and I feel sorry for those of you that live in states that don’t have the same self defense laws that the great state of Florida has today.

  64. C4

    Disney has explosive material on its property and this give “them” the right to keep firearms off this property for reasons of public safety? Well, then how about matches, lighters, batteries, propane tanks on rvs,and what about no,nada,NONE radio frequencies from the communication centers?? There are many more rules annd regs that Disney is ignoring thereby endangering all those who enter Disney property. I suspect that OSHA should be apprised of the existing dangers on king rat premises.

  65. I agree with what Legislator Peaden had to say and the Orlando Sentinel quoted him:

    “I intended it to exempt places like defense plants, Air Force bases, things like that,” said Peaden, who sponsored the bill in the Senate. “But not Disney. Not at all.”

    Until the state exempts Disney – it is they who are testing the limits of the law, not Edwin Sotomayor.

    Corporations are not allowed to make public policy and interpret the laws of Florida. This is the role and duty of the state. Imagine if Walmart or Burger King or Starbucks decided to interpret the laws and make public policy.

    Disney is engaging in civil disobedience; a courageous thing perhaps…but perhaps a reckless thing too.

  66. Rob Hewitt

    This is a simple problem. Disney asserts its right to protect itself, its property and its customers by not allowing guns on its property. Fine. The public asserts its right under the constitution to keep and bear. DONT GO TO DISNEY, or go to Disney and keep your gun CONCEALED where it belongs, out of sight, not subject to scrutiny, if Mickey Mouse or GOOFEY cant see it, he cant complain about it. WDW does not yet have the right to search your vehicle or your person before entering, if they try, I would love to see the drive by liberal media try and bury that quietly.

    MONEY TALKS, boycott the mouse and all of his liberal cronies. No cartoon character is going to violate my constitutional rights without it costing him something out of his own pocket.

  67. sean spoonts

    I think a few things need to be pointed out here.

    I think Disney’s claim to the exemption is bogus. The exemption is extended to entities that manufacture or use federally regulated explosives as their “primary business.” It was intended to cover defense plants and military bases. Disney’s “primary business” is not making or using fireworks. It could probably prohibit firearms for the employees that are specifically engaged in the production of those fireworks if they parked in a specific area, but not everyone who works for them. And Disney already knows this. Their Vero Beach Resort employees don’t have to follow the restrictive theme park rules.

    Disney also can’t enforce this rule against it’s guests. I’ve carried my concealed weapon the park and have even checked it with security at the Magic Kingdom(Security was friendly and it was treated as a routine event). If Disney is not afraid its millions of unknown guests are deranged killers it’s probably irrational to fear its employees are.

    And speaking of irrationality, fear directed at concealed weapons permit holdes is entirely misplaced. They have proven themselves to be amoung the most law abidng of citizens. Out of the 500,000(approx) CWPs issued in Florida over the last 20 years(approx) only 100 or so have been revoked because the permit holder did something criminal. The revocation rate is something on the order of .007%. If Disney was thinking rationally about this instead of ideologically they would not see concealed weapons permit holders as a threat to public safety, because they aren’t. If anything Disney would be safer hiring as many concealed weapons permit holders as they can given the exceptionally law abiding nature of such people.

    Finally, I think Disney’s anti-self defense bias is revealed further in their obstinate belief that they can create a gun free safety zone for their employees and presumably their guests by extension. Such “gun free” zones have proven themselves to be total failures in protecting people from being shot by a gun at schools and post offices. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the larget mass murder in US history occurred in the “gun free” safety zone that the University of Virginia thought it was protecting itself with. If you’ve noticed, deranged killers don’t go to police stations or shooting ranges in search of helpless victims. They seek out places with the greatest concentration of unarmed victims(which is why I always feel a little exposed at places like theme parks and sports stadiums).

    Anyway, Disney needs to realise that Fantasy Land only exists inside their theme park. The rest of us live outside in the reality world where individual safety is very important to people. Disney should not endanger its “family” of employees by saying they can’t keep a lawfully possessed firearm in their vehicles at work. And it should obey the laws of Florida in the safe way it would expect its employees to.

  68. Toto

    I have a concealed weapon permit. When I park at Disney’s lot, I will leave my gun in the car and available. I have only a few family members who know I carry. That is what concealed is about. I am not one to give advance notice to attackers that I am armed, they will find out the hard way. If I am attacked in a Disney lot or any lawful place where I can legally carry, there is no question, I will defend myself, then deal with the lawsuit. It is absolutely incredible that there are people in this world that can’t accept the fact that there is a difference between evil and good. If evil is armed, so must good be armed. I can’t imagine the possibility of someone in my family harmed in my presence, while I stand by helplesssly begging for mercy from a merciless criminal.

  69. CCW Holder

    FlaBchBum,

    Your first point about liability is exactly why the author of the blog will hate the new law. Lawyers hate any law that says they can’t file frivolous laws suites against someone.

    You know like the jacka— lawyer that actually help a criminals family win a suite against a home owner that shot there son/brother for breaking into their house. And let not forget about the piece of —- judge (lawyer) that let this happen.

    The good news is we can keep our freedom for a few more years, they wont try to take it completely until we are disarmed.

  70. myellowguy

    Florida Legislators and Attorney General Bill Mccollum needs to do whats right and charge Disney with violating Florida state laws. What the above article did not include was that a 13 year employee of Disney thought his right to bear arms was worth standing up for. That got him fired and Disney made sure that every Disney cast member knew that. So as a result law abiding cast members with CWP’s that also need their jobs are forced to put their safety and well being at risk. Disney is not above the laws of the state of Florida or above our constitional rights. Just because Disney is a major employeer in Florida, just because Disney visitors bring major revenue to the state of Florida it doesnt not give Disney the right to be above the law. Boycott’s dont work, making Disney and Universal abide by the laws of the state of Florida does.

  71. Dan Bowkley

    I frankly don’t care one iota if Disney is or isn’t liable for my death as a result of being unable to defend myself against an attacker. I’d be dead (or maimed or whatever) anyways. I have, and therefore shall exercise, my constitutional right to keep and bear arm regardless of some idiot Mousketeer’s policies.

    By the way, children under 10 are over ten times more likely to die as a result of a swimming pool accident than a gun accident. (this is per the centers for disease control, by the way) Since we have a constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms, and no such protection exists for swimming pool accidents, shouldn’t we ban pools instead? Oddly enough, there are more guns than pools in America too.

  72. Mike_CCW Holder

    For all oppose to this law you are missing the whole point. As the Supreme Court has ruled, the 2nd amendment to the Constitution applies to an individual, NOT a militia.

    Do we not care at all about the Constitution? Tell me what other amendment you don’t like….

    1st Freedom of religion, speech, press, petition, and assembly

    4th Searches and seizures; warrants

    6th Rights of the accused, Right to a speedy public trial

    13th Abolition of slavery

    14th Citizenship, state due process, state equal protection, applies Bill of Rights to the States

    I could go on… But the point is you either believe in our Constitutional rights, or you don’t. It’s just like religion… you either believe in God or you don’t.

    And by the way, the Constitution gives you the right to believe or not, as well as be able to contribute to this blog.

  73. Ron

    I agree wholeheartedly with FL_gunowner and the others who are chastising Disney for its stance on guns in cars. However, some research needs to be done. When Walt Disney was deciding where to build Disney World 30-some years ago, he had Orlando, Fl0rida and somewhere in Georgia and Texas in mind. He met and negotiated with then-Governor Claude Kirk who basically “gave up the ranch” to him to get him to forget Georgia and Texas. Disney is exempt from many of Florida’s laws — by law. For example, the Reedy Creek subdivision which was built by Disney and is largely still owned by Disney. Residents there, who are many of Disney’s foreign employees, have no right to privacy. Disney security can enter the homes and apartments without a warrant and, if deemed advisable, without knocking. There are many more such exemptions.

  74. Covert 1970

    This entire situation is play on public sentimate and a scare tactic by an over zealous fascist like organization, hell bent on proving property rights trump constitutional and personal guarantees provide3d by the constitution. Disney’s management feels they are above the law and now have a case going forward which will destroy their house of cards. Since they are so large they feel like they can bully their employees and others , plus get away with it. Wrong. There are hundreds of years of Constitutional law precedence to back up the workers and their Constitutional Rights as well as individual rights, (a vehicle is an extention of a person’s home; per the “Castle Doctine Law” in the state of Florida. That Disney clearly has no control over. Maybe several organizations will contact all Disney Workers to boycott for one day gpoing to work and watch how fast D9isney does a turn around. Thirty-five thousand employees don’t come to work and the park shuts down ! Cost into the millions of dollars and bad publicity, unknown but above the cost of a one day shut down. Disney only owns the property, not the employees !

  75. Garrett

    Timbo,

    Do your research, these so called tens of thousands that die by owning guns…False, also, child deaths aren’t near as high as you read either. See, what you fail to do is research and a child is considered anyone under the age of 20, and majority of those “child deaths are gang related between ages 15 and 19. These tens of thousands of deaths as a result of owning guns, doesn’t exist. RESEARCH DUDE!!!!

  76. DBM

    Timbo, you need to get a clue dude.

    Timbo Says:
    “10s of thousands die every year as a result of owning a gun…”

    And present these “10s of thousands die from guns” facts. LoL!!! You need to start looking at actual facts like the CIA studies or the Brookings Institute studies. Then you’ll get the actual facts of deaths rather than going by what Connie Chung tells you on the evening news. LoL!!!

    For goodness sakes more people die every year from choking on the food they are eating or from drowning than do from firearms in any form.

    Take the media’s/lib’s blinders and earplugs off and start thinking for YOURSELF.

    Chuckle.

  77. CCW4ME

    Disney was one of the first public venues to promote gay rights with their annual “Gay Day” at Disney World each spring. I guess they must be pro-gay and anti-gun. How about an annual “Open Carry” day at Disney World? As I like to tell folks, “No, I don’t object to two men walking down the street holding hands just as long as you don ‘t mind if they do it while each is wearing a .45 on his hip” Libertarianism means freedom for all. Liberalism means freedom only for those who agree with the government.

  78. David

    FYI, this effects employees. If you are a visitor you are permissable by law to have your weapon in your vehicle. They cannot prohibit visitors only employees. I’m in complete agreement with 99% of the commentors in that Disney is way out of line. But honestly fellas, this is right along the lines of the facist manner in which they have always treated their employees, with strict dress codes and many other aspects. First thing to take control of a facist society is to disarm your populace… silly but clearly accurate. Wait till they attempt to increase laws like this to their pet town project Celebration… hopefully not.

    Again however, this is for employees not visitors. They do employ 60 thousand people though and their rights need to be upheld as much if not more than visitors as they go there daily.

    Dave

  79. Brian

    A few major points not being mentioned here.

    I agree with the Disney boycott but to go even further with the point that Disney has been and continues to extinguish one of American’s most important constitutionally given rights, who are these people and why are they running such an iconic American company? My child loves to go to Disney but I will be seriously reconsidering spending another dime there when people like this are running and setting this company on such an elitist course. This company is supposed to embody America and its citizens along with their Constitutional rights, not help to strip them away.

    Sea World has decided to abide by this law and support American citizens and their rights. I will spend my money there.

    With the exception of hiring your own armed body guard no person, company or entity can guarantee anyone’s safety 24 x 7 x 365. Our founding fathers knew this and that is why they put it in the Constitution. We have the right to defend our self, our property and our families – period. Most robberies and murders take less than a minute to happen and there is no security in the world than can rush to your rescue in that span of time. Anyone who thinks different is a complete fool.

    Second, where is our wonderful government’s responsibility here? These people are the ones who are supposed to be protecting the Constitution and rights of the US citizens contain therein. They are asleep at the wheel, consumed with self serving agendas and corrupt beyond comprehension. Clearly all of the surveys and polls I have participated in concerning the right to bear arms show that an overwhelming majority of citizens want and deserve to have this right so where is that being reflecting by our elected officials. If the will of the people was being truly represented in our government these issues questioning our Constitutional rights would never even see the light of day. So much for that theory right? Ok – I’ll get off my soap box now…

  80. Frank

    First I’d like to say, I won’t be taking my kids to disney anymore!
    Second is the fact that in my oppinion anyone who want to change or amend any one of our constitional rights is a communist or nazzi. The only people who had any right to amend any of our constitional right was our forfathers when they first wrote the constitution of the united states and the bill of rights. The only ammendments that I believe to be legal amendments are the original 10 amendments, which were amended so as to bring other states into the union. So again in my oppinion any other change should be in itself un-constitutional and illegal.
    I mean think about it people, Does anyone realise why our country has never had anyone really attach our shores and start a war with us in our own country? because we have more fire arms owned by the private citizens then there are men and women in our armed forces, that means anyone attacking our shores will not only have too fight our military might but they will also have too fight every Tom, Dick, and Harry.
    So, in closing I believe all these GUN CONTROL FREAKS are nothing more then comunisit or nazzi pigs. That includes Disney, Wal Mart, Publics and any other company that is against our basics rights. Just like I will not shop at Target or Lowes because they are a French owned corp. and will donate all kinds of money to all kinds of causes including gay rights, But they won’t donate one penny to our American Veterans.

  81. jetdrvr

    Should I ever take leave of my senses and desire to once again subject myself to the crowds of tourists and the overpriced ticket provided by Disney, you may be certain that I will enter that theme park with my trusty Sig strapped to my hip under my shirt.

    Disney can post all the signs it wants to, but I won’t be deterred from carrying my weapon in every genre that Florida law allows. I carry into Publix, and Blockbuster and Wal Mart, and Ace Hardware, and anyone who tries to prevent me from legally carrying my licensed handgun can, as they say in merry old England, piss off!.

  82. usmcss77

    As the Supreme Court has made its decision, you need only to look at the 30+ years that handguns were banned in D.C., only affecting the law abiding while crime rose to all time highs(murder capital of the U.S.)A criminal by definition does not abide by our laws whether it be 1 or 20,000. So, should we leave ” Big Brother G ” or Corporations to decide how we protect ourselves and our family?? I think not. Our rights and our freedoms are not for sale or for debate as I see it. The time is near when these precious freedoms that we enjoy will be put to the ultimate test, so safeguard them as a jealous parent protects his small ones and be ever vigilant of those that want to deprive us from them…SEMPER FI

  83. Ernie

    I fear that Timbo has partaken of the KoolAid. I am confident that this will be resolved in short order in favor of the indivudual right to protect ones self. God Bless America and would somebody please revoke Disney’s fireworks license.

  84. Dissappointed Gun Owner

    I don’t understand how some people are against our right to defend ourselves.
    I’m going to Universal Studios from now on…

  85. Johnhy

    I get the feeling from reading all of this that generally the thought is that any Joe employee can have a loaded gun in their car parked at work. But doesn’t this law (when such product is lawfully possessed & locked inside) only pertain to those with a concealed carry permit?

  86. M. Smith

    You know, it amuses me how so many people act as though you have never been able or allowed to carry a firearm in your car, when in fact Florida law has allowed ANYONE to legally carry a loaded gun in your car for years as long as it is in a glove box or center console with a door. In addition, the Castle Doctrine was extended to your vehicle, further affirming the lawful RIGHT for you to protect yourself from those who would wish to do you harm. Outside of the vehicle, you must have a concealed weapons permit to move about still in possession of said firearm, so the point that Disney and other makes about it being dangerous is an absolute laugh.

    I have had a CWP since the law was incepted, I have ALWAYS had a loaded gun in my vehicle every place I have ever worked, I have never been asked and no one displays a sign on their car that proclaims “I’m carrying a gun!”

    The fact is that in every parking lot of every employer, every grocery store, every shopping mall, and yes, EVERY THEME PARK, there are and always have been gun owners that have guns in there vehicles, always have been and always will be. As some have stated in comments before me, I am not the person you should worry about, it is the lawless criminal that may decide one day he wants your wallet, your car, or what ever and may decide to just take your life to get it….but if you are fortunate enough that someone such as myself is around to stop it, we could potentially save your life. This is not fiction, but fact. But if I have no weapon, my odds and yours are practically “0” because you are then at the mercy of your assailant, period. I hope that I never have to pull the trigger against another human being, but if they are going to try and take my life, I want to have a say in the final decision, and if I must take them out, so be it, they made the choice.

    So in conclusion, this is yet again another example of government writing another law to cover something that was already legal…….the intent was to stop the anti-gun factions from discriminating against those who chose to lawfully defend themselves. 911 is dial a prayer, ask any law enforcement officer, I have many as friends and a former father in-law that was retired from that line of work…..they can not be everywhere at once, and most likely will not be where you are when you become a victim.

    I choose to have a chance at life……it is too bad the liberal “sheep” just don’t get it, they have this false sense of security…..one day they may have to thank a gun owner for saving their life during the commission of a forcible felony, wouldn’t that be ironic???

  87. Fergus

    I guess my post was too anti Disney, it has been awaiting moderation for quite a while…..

  88. chase

    The powers at Disney think they can do anything , they treat employees badly, underpay, all the while trying to maintain a false scrubbed clean image while they promote deviate life styles. They damage the environment and now they defy state gun laws. I will not ever spend my entertainment dollar ever again with them.

  89. Justin

    John has it right. If the employees follow Disney’s policy, and are raped/carjacked/mugged or anything while on their way TO or FROM work AT Disney…SUE THE HECK out of Disney for their policy preventing you from having the ability to protect yourself.

  90. Fla Disabled Vet

    I note from the flippant remark at the end of the piece. “Just in case its employees need to pack some heat during all those whale rescue missions.” that the author, and her bosses at Discovery Channel, is poking fun at the entire gun control/second amendment issue. One would expect them to take a serious issue seriously, perhaps if it was the first amendment at issue she, and they, wouldn’t be so flippant.
    My only comment is this: Why are people that are trying so hard to put a genii back into its bottle being given so much credibility? It’s ludicrous to the extreme besides being totally irrational. Oh, wait, maybe that’s where the joke comes in…

  91. Justin

    Fla Disabled Vet is right on:

    If this were the 1st amendment I don’t think they’d be so flippant about it. The 2nd amendment wasn’t put there as an afterthought, its the SECOND amendment. NOT the 9th or 10th. This amendment is 2nd ONLY to free speech and free press.

  92. Dan Oaks

    1. I’d like to see comparison between a list of actual problems with legal guns in their parking lots, along with a list of actual problems with crime that happens to customers and employees in their “secure” parking lot that are , or are not reported by the company. I don’t believe there is any legitimate reasoning behind this hassle. They are simply swinging their money around for who know what reasons. Why does Disney continue to glorify the use of guns and even more destructive deadly weapons in their movies. Apparently guns are OK as long it’s to make money for the corporation.

    2. If they are exempt from this law, effectively leaving their patrons and employees defenseless, any and every crime of any kind resulting in their “secure” parking lots, or to and from the park, should be entirely their responsibility and should be liable to easy law suit by the victims.

    3. I’d like to remind all that these big corporations and their organizations do not vote. They can only buy or coerce politicians. From all the polls it is obvious that the public is nearly entirely against them. I’m a legal gun owner and I vote . . . and I’ll work and vote to remove any politician that leans their way.

  93. Ernie

    As previously stated, the 2nd amendment is there to make sure that the rest ot the amendments are protected.

  94. Troy

    Ron H. I would love to know where all of these “Hundreds of Non Partisan” studies are that you speak of. Maybe you got them from Timbo. I have seen numerous statistics to the contrary on here. Could you please furnish us with just one? It seems all of the NRA supporters are not sticking their heads in the sand and as far as “losing a round” (love your pun) this round will not be lost. I am an NRA life member but I also joined the Brady Campaing email list just so I am abreast of the garbage they spewing. I encourage everyone to register on their website so you are one step ahead of combating their lunacy. It might also give them a false sense of support.

    A

  95. JJWIII

    I would imagine that over the past several decades and right up to this very day, there have been and are literally thousands upon thousands of managers, employees, service workers, delivery persons, customers, etc. that have guns securely encased, locked and out of sight in their vehicles in various parking lots throughout this great state.

    It apparently was not a problem at all until the anti-gun people caused their propaganda machine to create a perceived problem using their typical scare tactic approach!

    More than likely, virtually all of those with guns in their vehicles were and are law abiding people; some hunters, fishers, sport shooters, police, security guards, licensed concealed carry people, etc. that have no intent to harm, rob or kill anyone with their gun.

    Some say an employee or customer might snap and run get his gun and start shooting, well that sounds like it borders on anti-gun generated paranoia. Any criminal intent on committing a crime will ignore laws and bans and do exactly what he wants to do. Law abiding concealed carry permit holders have a clean record and want to keep it that way, they have too much to loose by violating the law.

    The likelihood of someone needing a gun for self defense in a parking lot or enroute to or from, I’m sure far outweighs the likelihood of someone snapping!

  96. Troy

    Ron H. I would love to know where all of these “Hundreds of Non Partisan” studies are that you speak of. Maybe you got them from Timbo. I have seen numerous statistics to the contrary on here. Could you please furnish us with just one? It seems all of the NRA supporters are not sticking their heads in the sand and as far as “losing a round” (love your pun) this round will not be lost. I am an NRA life member but I also joined the Brady Campaing email list just so I am abreast of the garbage they spewing. I encourage everyone to register on their website so you are one step ahead of combating their lunacy. It might also give them a false sense of support.

    As to the (2 move) gun law in your car, in Florida it just can’t be in plain sight. Think about it. What good does a gun do you if you have to open a glove box and take it out of a bag or the like. Actually it can be carried on your person in a car (Florida Castle Doctrine).

  97. Jacksonville, FL

    Disney thinks they are gods that can influence, manipulate, and control the politics and people of Florida. Florida and Federal laws rule our land and not Mickey Mouse. If they want to rebel against the laws of the land then perhaps they should move to France.

  98. NRA LIFE MEMBER

    Ron H; So you say private property rights trump the Bill of Rights?
    I shall certainly be interested to see what the likes of you has to say when Disney starts violating the OTHER amendments in the Bill of Rights. Like free speech, telling their employees whom they MUST vote for, what race, creed or religion(s) you MUST BE to maintain/gain employement. Maybe they will decide to control what media you consume/listen to/read in any of their hotels?

    In case you missed it, the Second Amendment IS an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT as upheld by the Sup. Court. Disney is the first major corporation to attempt to continue their elitist anti-American policies, and they will pay for it… both in legal fees, lost customers and ultimately, when the people of Florida DEMAND their lawmakers pass an amendment to the law that slaps Disney back to the reality that while they are a land of fantasy, they can no longer LIVE IN ONE.

  99. Richard

    When you can get the guns from the bad guys then I will talk about mine,we should be able to defend ourself to and from work at Deisney or wherever we work

  100. NRA LIFE MEMBER

    Oh, and Brady has billboards up that say that “Floridians are allowed to use deadly force to defend themselves and we suggest you vacation someplace else”???

    S W E E T!!!!!

    That will help turn away criminals at the state border, thanks Sarah. Also, it should help keep elitists who do not believe in the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA out of the state.

  101. John

    It is so soviet Russia that Disney is pulling off. Why do so many anti American people feel the need to keep the guns out of honest Americans hands? It’s not like anyone in their right mind wants to shoot mickey and the gang. More likely they will defend the park if terrorists tried anything. Maybe that’s the problem! The libs at the park are sympathetic to terrorists and not to real Americans?

  102. Chris

    If you believe that Disney and the other businesses in Florida are correct to defy the law, check the statistics on conceal carry permit holders who have had their permit revoked because of their involvement in a crime involving a gun. You’ll find that the media’s scare tactics have worked on you too.

    A 1998 Violence Policy Center study showed that since 1987, more than 206,400 Floridians have applied for new concealed carry licenses. As of July 31, 1995, 200,241 have received them. Fourteen were revoked in 1995. That’s about 1 in 3,500 that were revoked!

    http://www.vpc.org/studies/cccrimst.htm

  103. American

    It is amazing how the anti rights people are first to blame the NRA. They do not get it. It is really very simple.
    It’s We the People and the last I read the facts are 70 to 80% of us feel it is our right to own guns weather we are rich or poor, black or white, male or female. America is the best place to live on this earth because of all we have and have had. Wheather it was fighting Indians in the 1800’s or gang bangers today, horse theives of a time past or car jackers today. I love Cowboy deplomicy, it built the greatest nation on earth. I’ll bet there are many nations peoples around the world that wish they were able to have the same.
    It is our constitutional right, thank god our forfathers were brilliant for those who do not agree i’ll bet living in China or Zimbabwe looks very appealling to you.

  104. mec

    If Disney is handling and using enough explosives to create a significant hazard, the property should not be open to the general public.

    It will be hard to determine what factors will actually wreck the disney enterprise- gun owner boycott or fuel prices.

  105. Paul

    Help us in cutting down our dependency on foreign oil, stop driving to Disney !!

  106. Mr. C.

    Let’s face it, some people just don’t understand and there is nothing you can do to change it.

    I frequently refer to this URL as a reference when people, or corporations, reflect their anti-self-defense stance.

    http://www.vcdl.org/new/raging.htm

    I won’t be driving a car with a Disney sticker on it. I wouldn’t want some potential carjacker to choose me simply because he thinks I work for Disney and am an easy unarmed target. But I’ll keep my NRA membership card in my wallet. Now, I am thinking twice about sustaining my $2500.00 annual vacation budget that would normally be spent at their parks. Perhaps I’ll spend it in a Busch park instead…

  107. Between “Gay Days” at Disney, and Disney Corps decision to disobey the CONSTITUION of the United States. They can shove it.
    I’ve lived in this great state since 1986 and one thing is for certain, WE respect our right to defend ourselves.

    Ms. Lafsky, doesnt it suck when people actually disagree with your leftist broken record bitching? Im sure you’re not used to that at all. Welcome to the REAL AMERICA. If you dont like it LEAVE!

  108. Ron G

    Timbo,

    You, my brain-dead little friend are just full of regurgitated numerical vomit.

    “10s of thousands die every year as a result of owning a gun…”

    Really… where did you get that number from? It’s certainly not factual, you know. You’d be hard pressed to arrive at that number if you included casualties from wars all around the world. You’re looking like an idiot here…

    “Any real examination of facts shows that guns are many times more likely to kill their owners, a family member or a friend, then they are likely to be used in self-defense to prevent an armed attack or burglary.”

    Really… and just how many guns have ever killed anybody? There haven’t been very many documented AD’s – in fact, I’ve never read of a single incident where a gun killed its owner.

    As for self-defense usage – you seem to be the expert. How ’bout telling us all how many crimes get averted each year by lawful, legal gun owners? Huh? I didn’t hear you. Let me help… it’s estimated that some 2.5 million crimes are prevented by gun owners every year. Many think that number is low, as most confrontations end peacefully, without a shot fired, and therefore go unreported.

    I submit, as others have suggested, that if a business wants to prevent me from protecting myself, that they become liable for my safety to and from their business. Simple as that. Otherwise, they need to get over their stupid phobias. Gun laws DO NOT pertain to criminals – they only affect law abiding citizens – therefore, no matter what Disney thinks they are accomplishing – they are NOT in any way, shape, or form deterring criminals from bringing firearms into their parking lots, or their parks. Period! They’re deluded if they think otherwise.

    You seem to be spoutin’ numbers… so how many crimes are PREVENTED each year by gun owners?

  109. Chris

    Correction to my math above. It’s about 1 in 15,000 (not 3,500).

  110. The failure in Disney’s case is, the wording within the law that states that the “primary business conducted,” is the manufacture of explosives. The state permit, 18 U.S.C. s. 842 requires you to engage in the business of manufacturing, dealing, and importing of explosives on said property.
    Disney states they store fireworks on their property and thus the exemption. When all is said and done, Disney will loose.

  111. Dave

    Disney is off limits. It is bad enough to promote “alternative life styles” in children’s movies and show up at the theme park with your 5 yr olds to find it is “gay Day”, but to back door attempt to eliminate the 2nd amendment rights is the last straw. 1. The FLA Chamber is against the law, but many of its members (Or ex-members … guess why) are not.
    2. Deaths by guns statistics generally include gang bangers, dope deals, felonies, and other criminal acts. How many are by law abiding citizens, especially Concealed Weapon Pemit holders whom this law applies to. 3.Disney and all employers are shielded from liabilityif an employee injures someone with a gn he retrieved from his car. 4.The FLA Chamber has recently hired a bunch of Brady Group whackos which is driving their position. I may piss off some liberals because they get confused with facts that detract from their opinions. Conservatives believe it when they see it and Liberals see it when they believe it.Go for those NY Times sound Bites guys! Remember Teddy Kennedy’s car has killed more people (and animals) than all of my guns.

    I think I will do my part to piss off a LIberal and go buy another gun.

  112. Ken

    You people scare me.
    I believe with all my heart in the right to bear arms, for reasons of protection from criminals and the government (i know same thing) just as our founding fathers intended it. The right to bear arms is a right to protect private property. The fact that any one who supports the 2nd amendment would do so by eliminating private properties rights scares me very much. It is Disneys choice, if you can not be without your gun don’t go. Pro-gun people I thought were all about personal liberty, but evidently they are for State Control.

  113. Greg Hackney

    What’s next for Disney? No cheese in the gates or rather in their parking lots? Who’s going to search those picnickers before they enter Disney’s property, Anyone get it, yet?

  114. Alan

    911, when every second counts help is only minutes away! Only law abiding citizens will abide by the law, criminals by definition don’t obey any laws. The right to self protection trimuphs all others, if you aren’t alive you can’t excercise any other rights. It’s a shame these liberals never grew up and have to have the government take care of them like thier parents used to. If you don’t have the guts to excercise some self reliance at least don’t shine about it when someone else does! Retired decetive 20 years service, a gun in the hand beats 911 every time!

  115. It appeares too me that disney doesn’t have secure parking for their employe’s or visitor’s & guest’s !

  116. Jay

    To Andy and all who think a right of one or few should be less important than safety of any. When you give up any right for safety you give up your safety and when you give up someone elses rights, for safety, you give up everyone elses rights and safety. Remember The mouse may say No Guns to some today and what will he say to you the next day?

  117. Also it is another reason for me not too go there . it all looked fake & cheep the first too times i went there & i was a disney fan all my life what a let down !!

  118. It would be very nice if some of these selp-proclaimed know-it-alls would at least get their facts straight. TIMBO states that there are”thousands” of people shot and killed every year. Tha last total count for 2007 was 1732 and over half of them were by police in apprehending criminals. Nearly 80% of the rest was private citizens protecting themselves. This comes from the Center for Disease Control statistics. They are quite vocally anti-gun so you can be sure they would report far higher figures if they could. How about the 7200+ that drowned in swimming pools. On the evening news there was an article about over 3500 young people overdosing and dying just on PRESCRIPTION painkillers. Guess we should outlaw them too, right. How about over 50,000 killed in car “accidents” usually involving alcohol, drugs or just plain bad judgement (ROAD RAGE–IMPATIENCE). Guess we should outlaw all of those too. My own daughter doesn’t like guns either but she knows that she and her family were saved from bad comsequences several times due to the fact that her father has one and knows how to use it. To use another example, from a town hall meeting of Ted Koppel a few years back—Koppel asked George Soros(not an American citizen by the way, but a supporter with lots of money in the fight to remove our gun rights) how many bodyguards he had with him at the show. After a lot of hemming and hawing he admitted to having 4. Koppel then asked if they were armed. Soros answered yes. Koppel asked why he could be protected by guns but thought that the rest of us shouldn’t be able to. His response was “Well, MY life is important”. Isn’t such arrogance wonderful? Ted Kennedy did something similar when his bodyguards were caught with guns (illegally) in of all places JFK airport. He tried to get the local police to drop the issue on the spot. Funny HE needs protection which he wants to deny to the rest of us isn’t it?

  119. Mr Man

    Looks like I can say farewell to mickey. I cancelled my order for our family passes. I’ll give bushgardens my busniess. U just lost $1600 mickey it amy not be much to you but it’s a start.

  120. Stugee1

    Fact: A Concealed Weapons Permit holder in FL has taken a required course in gun safety, passed a background check and had his/her fingerprints run through the national database.

    Fact: Criminals buy guns on the street, without a permit, without training. They are not subject to any gun control regulations or legislation.

    Which person would you want to have a gun locked in their personal car?

    The old statement is still true: If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. And my own favorite when it comes to protecting myself and my family: When seconds count, the police will be there in minutes.

  121. “Looks like I’ll be going to Sea World and Busch Gardens (both owned by Anheuser Busch) instead of spending my money at Disney and Universal.”

    Here’s to that one!

    I live and Work in Tampa, FL. For a Gun Manufacturer, no less. We don’t manufacture any weapon that you could actually carry and conceal in this weather, so any attempt to claim that I am biased for my paycheck is outright stupid.

    Around work, we carry our weapons in plain view at all times. We have guns laying around all over the place. Most of us own dozens or more.

    Guess how many times any of us has been possessed by our evil demon guns and shot up the place? ZERO. Even though our shop is in a pretty bad part of town, guess how many times the bad guys have tried to break in to our shop, our vehicles, or assault our persons? You guessed it, ZERO. The bad guys know that these good guys will take no B.S.

    There’s no such thing as a safer work environment than here. Even with our industrial machines and lots of equipment that could easily disfigure or kill a person for using it improperly. In the end, the guns are no different than any other machine. They create something good when used properly (peace and safety). Their mere presence does not mean that something bad is going to happen, and there is no sane motivation to make such an assumption other than that they make us safer.

    While Employers have a certain degree of Property Rights, Disney clearly has no respect for legitimate safety; they’re making easy targets for the criminals. And again, while having the right, any employer who chooses to enforce an anti-gun policy, clearly has no respect for it’s employees’ lives, much less their rights. If your Boss wants you helpless (what egomaniac doesn’t?), get a new job. Is it any wonder these same employers support a multitude of other employee abuses too?

    Safety, schmafety. I got my safety right here. Where’s yours? In the car? At home? Good luck protecting yourself and YOUR KIDS (where will they be when your self-righteous political crusade to be disarmed backfires and you get killed?). Guess you’ll just have to pray, instead of take personal responsibility.

  122. ishoot

    Congrdulations to all the law abiding gun owners who are speaking out of this and other issues. This issue is really a non issue as it only applies to about 500,000 people that have concealed carry permits out of a population of about 20 million Florida residents. Law abiding gun owners have been vilinized by the press and the anti gun groups for years.

  123. Peter Caroline

    Screw Disney, and Orlando, too, for that matter. If Disney is not concerned about the safety of its employees in a crime-ridden city, then they are not getting my family’s business. I was planning to attend a convention in Orlando in January, but I’m now having second thoughts, given both the city’s attitude toward our Second Amendment rights and the nuisance and expense of trying to get on a plane. Oh, and don’t get me started about that f#$%&*#g Orlando airport!

  124. Jim

    Bye, Bye, Disney. You will never see another penny from me. Thanks for making the decision for me. I regret the thousands of dollars that I have spent there just this year alone. Our next trip is cancelled as of now. You are not above the law.

  125. sean spoonts

    There are those who are confusing private property rights with the restrictions imposed upon private property that are “places of public accomodation.”

    Ken for example is “scare” of some of the commenters here because he thinks private property rights allpy to Disney like they do to a private home. Well, they don’t. The State cannot require that you keep the bathrooms clean and the kitchen sanitary in your house. The State cannot demand that you install handicapped access ramps. If you want to forbid blacks, jews, women, gays or anyone else into your home you are perfectly allowed to do that in your own home. If you want to forbid anyone with a firearm from entering your property you can(though you will not be able to stop the police from doing doing so, try it and see what happens if you doubt me).

    Disney is not private property like your own home is. Disney operates places of public accomodation where the State has a compelling interest in regulation for the public good. I’m sure that Ken would demand that Disney follow the minimum wage and labor laws, wouldn’t he? So he sounds a bit shrill when he claims that people in favor of Disney following the law are really Statists who want everyone under the thumb of government. If people like Ken are so “scared” that they can’t draw reasoned conclusions they should calm themselves before letting their emotions overide their common sense. The law was only needed in the first place because employers were carving out their own preemptions of the firearms laws, in effect treating a public business as if it were a private home. And Disney doesn’t have the right to opt out of this law any more than they have the right to opt out of labor laws, food handling laws or other laws that pertain to places of public accomodation. A person who may lawfully carry a firearm in their car should not find himself fired because his employer doesn’t like the the rights those employee enjoy. No person should be forced to chose between their civil rights(expressed as possession of a means of self-defense) and earning a living.

    And don’t pile on Melissa Lafsky too hard. What do you expect from a lawyer from New York City? While New York uses the 2nd Amendment almost word for word in their Civil Rights Law, its legislators and lawyers don’t think those words actually mean anything. It’s not completely her fault that she thinks the whole country is just like New York City where civil rights enumerated in the State Constitution don’t mean you actually have those rights. Besides that, she’s pretty.

  126. Jim

    In order for you to keep a gun in your locked car at work you are also required to carry a CCW permit which requires you to attend a traing course with FBI background check. So us rednecks carring our guns have been checked out by big brother and at least at the time of our background checks we are not convicted criminals. I guess if I go to Disney as a custermer I can carry by gun no problem to their parking area.

  127. neptitude

    Wow! Can you believe all the liberal commie pinkos who don’t realize that a gun is like magical charm or something which can protect their family while they’re at work even while the gun is locked in the car. Why, if citizens aren’t permitted to have guns in their cars, someone could break into their house while they are at work and kill their families! Those criminals would never take such a chance if they knew that the CWC permit holder was away at work, with his gun locked securely in his car, would they!

    And having that gun locked in the car means it’s completely safe. Because no one ever broke into a car sitting in a parking lot and stole a permit holder’s gun! What an absurd thought! Of course if some criminal did decide to break into a car abandoned in a parking lot for 8 hours, there’s nothing to worry about, because the police will hear the car alarm and come rushing to the scene, risking their lives to protect the gun owner’s private property.

    Because private property is sacred, right? Well, except when those rights conflict with the god-given right to carry a loaded weapon wherever the gun owner wants to. No one can interfere with that! That’s why you can take your gun into the house or business of someone who doesn’t like guns and they can’t stop you. Nothing can interfere with those individual rights! Certainly not a little thing like property rights. That’s why anyone can come to your house and light up a cigarette and curse in front of your kids and even take off his clothes and there’s nothing you can do about it. That person has individual rights just like we all do.

    And how dare a boss tell an employee that he can’t smoke on the job! Employers can’t just tell employees what to do or what to wear or how to talk to customers or whether they can have a day off whenever they want to. And they certainly can’t fire you for almost any reason at all. And they definitely don’t have any right to tell you what you can do in the parking lot! If you want to bring your perfectly legal motorhome into the parking lot with your entire family in it and leave it there for weeks at a time, they have no right to stop you.

    So, we must boycott Disney right away. No Wall-E! No Hannah Montana! No ABC Sports or ESPN! No Lifetime or A&E or E! No Jonas Brothers! Doesn’t matter how much the kids and the spouse whine and complain… Because this is about the Second Amendment! And… and… the rest of that whatchamacallit… Constitution, too!

  128. Bim Jrady

    It’s amusng how the same liberals who want employers to have the ability to search employees’ cars for lawfully possessed weapons would shreik like spoiled little girls if employers started searching the same cars for drugs. Disney is acting like the 500 lb. gorilla that does what it wants because it can. The legislature passed the law, Disney needs to follow it like everyone else. If the neptitiudes of the world want to bray like sheep and count on other people for their safety, they can, and I wish them well. But don’t expect those of us who don’t want to bow at the altar of helplessness to want to give up our own rights.

  129. Sean, you almost sound like you know what you’re talking about. Unfortunately, your “place of public accommodation” theory isn’t quite in keeping with the actual law. There have been a string of court decisions about this intersection of individual liberties with private commercial property & public space, but the most recent is the US Supreme Court decision in PruneYard v. Robbins (http://laws.findlaw.com/us/447/74.html). That decision reaffirmed an earlier decision that property does not “lose its private character merely because the public is generally invited to use it for designated purposes,” and that “[t]he essentially private character of a store and its privately owned abutting property does not change by virtue of being large or clustered with other stores in a modern shopping center.” Being that Disney World has commercial matters as its main reason for existing, and that unlike a mall where anyone can walk in, Disney restricts access to those with tickets, it’s likely that PruneYard would apply here, too.

    Of course, the justices in PruneYard did say that a state has the ability to expand on the protections in the Bill of Rights, but not to the extent that it amounts to a “taking” of private property without compensation. Six states increased the protection of speech rights since the decision in 1980, but Florida wasn’t one of them.

    Disney might have a claim about takings if they found it necessary to invest in heightened security for the employee parking facilities in order to prevent gun theft and protect their guests or their commercial image. At that point, they are being required to make changes to the character of their business in order to accommodate a non-protected group of citizens. (Unlike age, race, sex, and disability, gun ownership is not considered a protected class. If Disney wanted, they could decide that just having a concealed weapon permit makes an applicant ineligible for a job, and there’s nothing illegal about it.)

    But most of this is moot, anyway, because we’re not talking about just citizens — we’re talking about employees. Employees have very few rights other than minimum wages, overtime compensation, a safe workplace, prompt paychecks, protection from discrimination and harassment if they are in a protected class, and protection from retaliation if they report violations of those rules or of other laws. That’s it. It’s called “employment-at-will” and it’s what gives you the right to quit at any time and what gives the employer the right to fire you at any time for any reason other than the exceptions I listed above.

    Now Disney’s got lots of money and lots of lawyers and they’re not going to be risking fines and the like based on some leaky half-assed loophole. Either they know something else which exempts them from the law (the Reedy Creek Improvement District is a pretty big, powerful, and complex possibility), or they think they have a good chance of overturning the law altogether on state and/or Federal Constitutional grounds. I wouldn’t be betting against them.

  130. Much to do about nothing! I can’t stand reading and hearing the scare tactics and rhetoric espoused by those who support Disney’s Civil Disobedience. The newly passed Florida Law allows for those who can legally carry concealed firearms to keep them LOCKED UP IN THEIR CARS while they are at work. I think it specifically allows this in parking lots with public access. If Disney chose to follow the law, I don’t believe it would create any type of increased risk to anyone attending any of the Disney parks. We are simply talking about employees and visitors being able to defend themselves while traveling to and from (in this case)Disney. Where is the ACLU and why aren’t they attacking Disney for it’s search and fire policy?? How many of you liberals honestly believe you don’t have, or should give up the right to keep the contents of your vehicles PRIVATE?

  131. I hate to say this, but the best way for Disney’s policy to be changed is if an employee gets hurt or killed on the way to or from work. The emoloyee or surviving family would have a real good lawsuit against Disney for hendering his ability to protect himself.

  132. O.K. as a concealed weapon permit holder If I leave my home in South Florida to take the 3hr drive to Disney, What am I supposed to do with my Firearm when I get there? For the three hour commute to and from, I must remain unprotected? I suppose I could leave the Gun home and take my RAMBO Knife. Or do like everyone else and put Disney as OFF LIMITS.

  133. remember this , all anti-gunners are pro-criminal, even the mouse is pro-criminal. ill never ever spend another dollar at Disney.i hope my annaul visit money that i spent theere eis missed.

  134. Pat Fairfax

    I’ve never been to this site before but it only takes one read of the article to discern the bias in the reporting. Typical liberal media. I would suggest you get the facts before publishing garbage:

    The law states quote: (e) Property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the
    landlord of a public or private employer upon which the primary business conducted is the manufacture, use, storage, or transportation of combustible or explosive materials regulated under state or federal law, or property owned or leased by an employer who has obtained a permit required under 18 U.S.C. s. 842 to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in explosive materials on such property.

    Where does Disney fit in this description?

  135. Donald Sinyard

    My immediate family numbers almost one hundred. You can bet your sweet derriere that we’ll not spend another dime at Disney. Wouldn’t it chap their behinds if others acted likewise?

  136. LM

    I understand the law applies to businesses whose primary purpose is fireworks and explosives. I believe Disney is twisting the law to suit their purposes. I believe people do have a right to store their property, guns, in their car, also their property.

    However, regarding mass media entertainment in general, I urge every thinking person, and every one who considers God’s ways, to consider how the mass media is a very bad influence. How your subconscious may play it like a tape. This goes by various names, and the vulgar term brainwashing is related. I urge you for your own sake and the sake of your family to consider the negative influence and habit forming nature of the mass media to not watch it.

  137. Jon

    The “loophole” that Disney is talking about exempts employers who’s PRIMARY BUSINESS is the use, storage, manufacure, or transportation of explosives. With that, a valid question would be, is Disney’s PRIMARY BUSINESS the fireworks? In other words, if Disney did away with their fireworks shows, would it fold and go under? I doubt it.

  138. Now it’s a bit hard to read every posting but Disney only disarms there employees not the customer. The customer can bring there weapons onto Disney property does that sound right to you

  139. Walt

    Perhaps we are missing the point.
    It has become time to Boycott DISCOVER, and add it to the list of biased propaganda machines that exist only for the purpose of perpetuating and promoting their brand of politics to promote the enslavement of freedom-loving humans.

  140. David

    Disney does not allow anyone (customer or emplyee) to carry firearms in Disney World, including off duty police. Off duty police have been asked to either lock up their firearm or leave the property.

  141. Guys… thank you for defending our Constitution… Remember we can always go to Sea World and Bush Gardens :)

  142. Thank you for your support… God Bless America!!! edwinsotomayor@msn.com

  143. J.Humm

    Maybe the state of florida should feel that Disney is being defiant and will do what ever they want and should just revoke their explosives permit,then maybe they would change their minds……. (oh, you dont want to play nice…..well then no more fireworks for you mickey)

  144. Johnny5Alive

    “This is crazy, a lie and deceptive. I dont think they were expecting 80% of those polled to reply YES. ” *** It is up to 92% now.

    I do not have a CWP, and do not plan on getting one nor purchasing a handgun. I do, however, own a shotgun and have recently joined NRA. I am a “regular guy” gun owner and have only owned since January instant.

    I am perfectly all right with the new legislation to allow CWP holders to carry in their vehicle. With the arms in the car, there is no threat to anyone. Also, I am finding that a typical, law-abiding gun owner tends to be a bit more careful about life in general, let alone just guns. Certainly, I am not terrified that some CWP holder is going to ‘possibly’ have a gun in the vehicle. Since it is a bit hard to carry a 12ga shotgun around, I say, “Let them carry guns!”

    12ga target shooter

  145. Tony

    I was going to go to Disney World this summer, as one final hoo-hah with my boys, who are turning 15 and 16. No Mickey for me… I can’t stand the two-facedness as mentioned by others. They love the idea of profiting of US Citizens, getting a TON of incentives and tax breaks, and then want to deny us our rights? Kiss off, Mickey. I’ll got visit Sea World, instead of Mikhail Mouse’s Duncey World.

    And I WISH the media would get it correct:

    In order for you to be able to have your gun locked up in the car and have this new law benefit you…

    YOU MUST HAVE A VALID FLORIDA CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT

    Read it….and let it sink in, media… it’s not Vermont-style carry, or an all-out free-for-all

    This law did not just automagically empower every Florida citizen to stash a gun in your glovebox. You MUST have a CCW.

    And, of course, to get a Florida CCW, you must go through an extensive State and Federal background check… and let’s face it – the percentage of LEGITIMATE crimes (not a forgot-I’m-carrying-30cm-inside-500ft-of-a-banned-area stupidity) committed by CCW holders is practically nil.

  146. sean spoonts

    I would thank Evano for the remarks about me “almost knowing” what I am talking about. I believe that’s called ‘damning with feint praise. But I would have preferred he actually address the points I raised rather than drag red herrings all over them.

    I read the “Pruneyard” opinion delivered by Rehnquist. While it says what Evano claims about private property, the Court also found that private citizens had the right to exercise their 1st Amendment rights on the private property of the shopping center owners;

    “We conclude that appellants’ First Amendment rights have not been infringed by the California Supreme Court’s decision recognizing a right of appellees to exercise state-protected rights of expression and petition on appellants’ property.”

    So you see Evano, the SCOTUS affirmed the lower Courts rendering that the private property owner did NOT have the right to restrict the 1st Amendment right of people on their property. It seems to me that you misstated the case a bit.

    I suspect that the Court would similarly find that an employer cannot unreasonably infringe upon the 2nd Amendment rights of employees as a condition of that employment unless there is a very good reason. The question then becomes whether Disney’s infringement is “reasonable.” Disney’s policy offers the presumed assumption that Disney views any employee who transports a firearm in his car to and from work as a dangerous person who cannot be safely employed at Disney. Disney’s claim that a employee acting in a manner permitted by law is a danger to Disney is unreasonable. I’m not a lawyer but I think I could make that point stick in a court of law.
    Disney does not enforce or even ask for those same firearms restrictions from Disney customers who number in the millions each year. None of these millions of guests have been interviewed by Disney or screened for criminal records or mental illness as their employees have. Disney doesn’t even know the names of most of the people who come into their parks. Yet they insist that their guests are still endangered by a known and carefully screened employee who lawfully transports a firearm in his car while going to and from work as a security guard? What confidence should Disney customers have in Disney’s security guards if Disney itself does not trust the guards to own and transport their personal firearm in a lawful manner? Again, I’m no lawyer but I could make that point stick too.

    Disney has security in their employee lots already. To protect the employees and their property. Handguns are not displayed on dashboards in Florida, a thief would have no way of knowing which cars contain weapons and which do not. And a criminal looking for weapons is not likely to steal them from cars in restricted access lots with cameras and security guards present. Any crazy person who slips past Disney’s screening process and decides to gun down the guests in the park is not going to be deterred by a “No guns at work policy”, no matter how strongly worded it is by Disney. Only the law abiding will follow the policy. Stongly worded “No firearms” policies haven’t deterred any criminals bent on finding an unarmed crowd to kill. I would submit that such policies actually blast the message to the deranged that they will find helpless people here unable to resist. At the University of Virginia, Thirty-Three people were killed by a deranged, unstable killer who disregarded the “No Guns on Campus” rule. It’s the largest mass murder in US history. So it’s not as if “gun free zones” have a mixed success rate. Quite the opposite, Gun free Zones have racked up an impressive score of spectacular failures that have gotten a lot of innocent people killed. If Disney wants to claim that such policies are still effective, I would be happy to argue against it.

    Evano makes the claim that employees have very few “rights” at work and cites;

    “minimum wages, overtime compensation, a safe workplace, prompt paychecks, protection from discrimination and harassment if they are in a protected class, and protection from retaliation if they report violations of those rules or of other laws.”

    I would respond that “rights” do not eminate from employers but from the Constitution itself. The rights he mentions are all laws that restrict the right of private property owners when they are places of public accomodation. My point, which remains unaddressed by Evano, is that employees cannot be compelled to surrender their actual civil rights to their employers in exchange for employment unless there is a very compelling reason, like working at a military base or nuclear weapons manufacturing facility. I don’t think manning the console at “It’s a Small World” compares to that.
    The big problem for Disney is that their policy strips their employees of lawful firearm possession while driving to and from work, where the big bad world of crime and the lawful protection from criminals is likely to matter the most. So while Disney is certainly permitted to prohibit employees from carrying weapons while they are actually on the clock it can’t restrict their lawful possession of firearms while going to an from the job in their own cars, which by the way is the private property of the employee. Isn’t there something to be said for the private property that the employee’s car represents? And the right to protect the life and propety of the employee going to and from his place of work? It will be interesting to see if Disney has forbidden firearm possession in vehicles that they lease for employees to drive. In the end, I think Disney is going to end up with lock boxes at the security booths where employess coming to work can check their weapons and pick them up when leaving for home.

  147. Envy

    Goodbye Disney themepark, movies, toys, and stock!

    Anyone want to start a Diseny boycott petition on:
    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/create-online-petition

  148. sean spoonts

    As a matter of clarification for people outside the state of Florida. Your don’t need a license to possess a weapon in your car in Florida. The law requires that it be securely encased and not readily accessable. A pistol in a snap holster in your glove compartment would be in compliance but under your car seat would not. By contrast, CWP holders are permitted ready access to a firearm “on or about their person.” This means a CWP holder can have a firearm in his lap while he is driving or in the side pocket of his car door.

  149. Envy

    As another point of clarification, Disney’s policy only applies to Disney Employees, and it only applies to firearms in a locked vehicle.

    Moreover, Disney’s policy does NOT apply to visitors/patrons of their theme parks. That is, a non-Disney employee visiting the Magic Kingdom, can legally have a firearm in their vehicle.

  150. Woodpiggie

    Look at the bright side of Disney’s employee gun ban. Now they can add a new character to the Donald Duck family. “Sitting Duck” will be the employee who falls prey to crackhead street thugs on route to or from work. Victimization will be his shtuk, and mock sympathy from the “Disney Family”, the reward. Truly Goofy!

  151. Steve

    By first hand experience, I can assure you that the current paranoia at Disney’s World stems directly from the events of 9-11. Prior to this date, there was a written firearms policy that did permit an employee to transport a gun to and from work provided that there was an advance notice given to Security and the firearm was locked up at a Security lockbox during the working hours.
    Following 911, MILLIONS of dollars have been spent on fences, baracades, gates and inspection stations all over the Reedy Creek Improvement District (AKA Disney World).
    In brief, the terroists won.

  152. Randy

    Disney!!! They are one of the lowest paying employers in Orlando! I persons don’t like their policies, Just quit! Most don’t care as aliens can’t get a CWP anyway. Why would anyone want to work there? They are a “no Middle class” employer. If I was a bad guy I would not care what their policy says. So as someone said earlier they are concerned about the honest law abiding citizen doing them in. I have seen some of their antics first hand so of course they don;t want guns at their glorified castle! Maybe they will ban baseball bats next!

  153. Disney is opposed to our Constitutional right to bear arms? I am then opposed to Disney. Since when are they above the law?

    I assume they will be providing additional security then? (yeah right)

    If criminals realize that there is a chance that park attendees may be armed, they will think twice about targeting innocent victims.

    If there were several innocent people on board the aircraft on 9/11 who were armed, 9/11 probably wouldn’t have happened.

  154. Dave

    Disney is clearly wrong here. I hope the new law will prevail at Disney so its’ employees may utilize the laws of our land as intended and be able to leave the firearm in thier cars while at work. Shame on Disney, I agree that if Disney denighs a firearm in an employees car, they should also be held responsible for any criminal action on an employee in thier travels to or from the Disney property by removing thier right to defend themselves. What’s the proplem here? Does any sane person doubt thier right to defend themselves with a fire arm if required as allowed by law? Get Real! You’ll not find me spending any of my barely adequit income at Disney.

  155. Harding Dies

    I have just cancelled our family vacation at Disney!

  156. Pete

    Disney should consider not storing fireworks in the parking lot.

  157. Joshua

    The NRA is made up of about 4 million ordinary people as dues paying members. They are not some sinister cabaal (sp?). It’s about as grass roots as you can get on a national level. Considering these membership numbers any power they have in Washington is legitimate as they represent not only the interests of gun owners but ultimately everyone who enjoys the Bill of Rights.

    We too will be vacationing elsewhere until Disney decides they’re not above the law. It also would be a good idea to register our displeasure with ABC’s sponsors.

  158. PS – I urge all of you who support our natural rights as expressed by the Second Amendment to pony up your 35 bucks and JOIN THE NRA!

  159. MARK

    I WONT BE VACATIONING IN DISNEY THIS YEAR WITH MY THREE KIDS. ONLY THE REAL NUTS WOULD HAVE GUNS HIDDEN, AND THE LAW ABIDING CITIZEN WITH A PERMIT TO CARRY (AND PROTECT ME TOO) WONT BE ALLOW TO ATTEND…

    REMEMBER; BOSTON MASSACARE, KENT STATE AND TENNIMEN SQUARE. UNARMED CITIZENS
    MOWED DOWN BY AUTHORITY, WITH GUNS…

  160. Jet

    To all those arguing that people with permits, following the law, registared concealed carriers, remember all the 911 highjackers were here legally.

  161. Phil

    Guns are not the problem here, its the lack of education. Maybe if they were required to teach firearms safety in schools, there would be less problems in our society. But then again if the BED WETTING LIBERALS were not living in “fantasyland” or, Maybe if they had a job, they would not have as much time to find things to bitch about.

  162. Robert W.

    There is one important point that Disney, the Florida Chamber of Commerce and any other corporation that opposes this law is missing, before this law was passed anyone except a convicted felon could have a firearm in any parking lot anywhere and it was not against the law. Since the law has passed, only concealed weapons permit holders can legally have a firearm in their vehicle in a private business parking lot. By the way, there have never been and never will be firearms allowed inside Disney or any other theme parks, the law only concerns the parking lot. There has been a handgun in my vehicle 24 hours a day, seven days a week for the last 24 years, regardless of who’s parking lot I’m in!

  163. jw

    Bambi,

    Be real for goodness sake…the real danger of liability resides with the gun owner…as 10s of thousands die every year as a result of owning a gun…and NOT as a result of failure to defend yourself
    Bambi,think again doctors kill more people 60,000 ,cars kill an maime
    at least that maney or more ,i’ve owned a gun sence 8 or 9 years, an have
    a permit to carry , an not one time has it went off by it’s self .
    Icould have been robed at the bank early one morning if I had not ben
    armed that morning [4:30 am ]you need to get a grip on life it’s not
    a bed of roses out there , be glad be verry glad that we have the right to carry, your life might depend on it one day.

  164. Mike

    If you will note as you leave Disney at the gates at night there are armed police in the parking lot. I’m sure glad I don’t work there. I won’t be going back. I put my firearm back in my holster when I got in my car to at least protect myself and family as I left. Believe me if you’ve ever been to Disney and around so many people they are rude and run into each other and give you the finger for standing your ground in line and they want to crowd in front of you. Of course most of them don’t speak the lang. and can’t listen to the anouncements that think the park is for them only. They don’t understand “Respect for others”. One gave me the finger for getting on a ride before he did and I was ahead of him in line. He tryed to get ahead of me. But, the ride was nice and the family injoyed some of the things there. Legal Gun Owners don’t meet rudeness with guns. We use a “Smile” and “You Have A Nice Day”.

  165. Justin

    It all comes down to our constitutional rights, which disney wishes to take away.

    I will be giving my business to busch gardens and sea world from now on.

  166. Phil, North Central Ohio

    They well change their minds when Mikey Mouse or Cinderella are mugged or shot!

  167. Charles P

    What are employers like Disney saying when they ban firearms in the autos of employees??

    That Disney does such a terrible job of screening employees that they KNOWINGLY HIRE DANGEROUS PEOPLE??

    That Disney is such a MISERABLE EMPLOYER that they KNOW BEYOND A DOUBT that they mistreat employees to the point that they EXPECT AN EMPLOYEE TO HAVE MAJOR HATRED AND RESENTMENT TOWARDS THEIR EMPLOYER OR THIER CUSTOMERS???

    If EITHER of these are true, them DISNEY NEEDS TO CHANGE ITS POLICIES! If these are NOT TRUE, then why would they fear a felony criminal act to take place without provacation??

    Does Disney FORBID the hiring of people who have Martial arts training? We are always told of the power of such physical training. Couldn’t such a person be JUST AS MUCH OF A THREAT, especially since they are able to use their skill AT ANY MOMENT, WITHOUT THE NEED TO RETREIVE A GUN FROM A PARKING LOT???

    If Disney fears that a gun may be moved from a parking lot to the workplace, WHY NOT JUST PUT IN METAL DETECTORS?? They have a large enough workforce to justify the cost. And they have a large security force to man these devices. The possibility of a gun being actually IN the workplace has ALWAYS EXISTED, so this law should not be upsetting DISNEY and its policies! Disney should KNOW that guns in the parking lot are harming no one, and focus on WHO AND WHAT IT ALLOWS TO ENTER THE GATES TO THE THEME PARK, not the parking area.

    This seems to be a NON ISSUE, except for the fact that Disney wants to once again try and be a dictator employer, as it is famous for being in the past.

  168. Paul

    only the stupid thinks that you can be safe by giving up your rights, in reality people are safer when people have freedom and are able to exercise their rights, but let’s let the stupid be stupid.

    To bad stupidity wasn’t painful

  169. Randy

    Ron H. wrote “By the way…you might want to check crime statistics for Disney property and compare them with those in the surrounding metro-Orlando area. You are infinitely safer on their property than you are roaming the streets of O-Town.” He’s obviously too stupid or ignorant to see that he just made the proper conclusion. That employees going to and from work should be afforded the protection of their firearms and should be permitted to have them in their vehicles.

  170. Bronco Billy

    A U.S. Embasy in a foreign country is considered to bo sovereign U.S. territory.A United States Navy ship at sea is considered to be Sovereign U.S. territory. In a rented hotel or motel room, I may defend myself with a firearm as if It were my home domicile. Should not the Disney employee’s personal vehicle,even when parked in the Disney lot, be considered an extension of the employee’s sovereign territory????

  171. John Too

    Bambi — Your intelligence & analysis I find most refreshing.
    Timbo — You are an idiot. Too bad you are unable and/or unwilling to think & speak for yourself, finding it necessary to mindlesslessly spout idiocy scripted for you by others.
    Ron H. — You are a real piece of work. The lights are OFF & nobodies home… Are you related to Timbo?

  172. It is no surprise Disney is anti-gun, their elitist views are known by most all locals in Orlando. As a limousine company they discriminate where you can pick up and unload passengers, they do not care even if you have people with limited mobility. Failure to follow their rude orders will result in being banned for life on all Disney properties. Their security is extremely rude to chauffeurs and anyone other than your stereotypical families. Disney even prohibits licensed security guards and off duty police officers from having guns on their properties unless of course they are working for Disney. It is ok for Disney to have armed guards, but it’s not ok for the general public or Disney employees even to have the right to protect themselves on their commute to and from Disney.

  173. Wyatt

    some one PLEASE explain where this statistic comes for?
    This has been quoted here several times:

    “as 10s of thousands die every year as a result of owning a gun”

  174. Daniel Stack

    Even with the addition about the permit it is still stated that it is for places where the explosives are the primary product. The permit may be proof of product manufacture but it isn’t proof of it’s being the primary product. I think Disney would have been on more solid ground had they tried for the Educational exemption.

    Either way it’s pathetic that Disney is so against their workers having means of self defense in their cars but claim their fine with right to carry holders exercising their rights even in the park. Why does Disney feel that employees are a threat?

  175. Daniel Stack

    Wyatt I think that came from the Brady campaign if it’s not just another made up number. It seems made up to me though. Or at least spun to include all world wide gun activity that lead to a death without regard to ownership or the legal status of the gun possession. Sorry about the double comment hope Wyatt sees this since he asked the question and I couldn’t respond more privately to it.

  176. Patriot

    I would like to know what businesses are members of the Florida Chamber of Commerce and the Florida Retail Federation. If I’m not mistaken Publix was also strongly fighting the Florida legislation. We need to let people know that we will not support them as long as they won’t defend our basic 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms.

  177. Wyatt

    Yes and Thank You Daniel. I hold CWP for 20+ years, life member of NRA and belong to Lakeland Rifle and Pistol Club in Florida. I agree that number seems made up or encompasses the world.

  178. Erv

    Disney has never been on our side. They have never portrayed the man with a gun as anything but a “BEAST”
    Why would we expect anything else?

  179. Mike

    PS I already posted about this earlier, but this isn’t the first time Disney has tried to act as if they can create policy. Besides shooting, my other favorite passtime is flying small planes. Simply as a matter of practicality, in this country airspace belongs to everyone. Except for the government for reasons of national security, nobody can tell anyone else that they can’t fly over land that they own. You own only the land, not the sky above it.

    Unfortunately, that is true for every private property owner in the country EXCEPT Disney World. Not sure how many politicians they had to buy, but one cannot fly over Disney World as they were insanely granted the power to restrict what planes fly in the sky above it.

  180. Dale

    I am a Florida resident annual passholder. I have walked past the stations where they check your handbags and other items before entering the parks. I have carried my handgun a hundred times and never once have I been stopped, qusetioned or asked to show anyone my concealed carry permit. So what’s the big deal about Disney’s own employees keeping a weapon locked in their vehicle?

  181. Kenton Barlow

    I am a disabled war veteran and a proud gun owner and I nor my family will spend one dime on Disney junk again.

  182. Ed

    Criminals do not follow the law and honest citzen does. What is so hard to understand the honest everyday person who is armend will lower the crime rate. It has already been proven, that crime dropes in areas where the citizen is armed. Lets get a clear picture of what this meanes. An aremed citizen is a is a citizen an unarmed perspson is a subject.

  183. Stone

    Dale – Right on the money! The point being that Disney has no way to prevent GUESTS from keeping firearms locked in their car. I always have a weapon locked in my car and it has been to Disney probably 40 times in the last 4 years. Of course, it doesn’t come into the park, yet remains locked in my car. This issue is about EMPLOYEES and CONTROL. I can guarantee you that on any given day there are probably HUNDREDS of firearms locked in cars in the various Disney parking lots. Folks would like to say that this is about property rights, WRONG! The property rights I have concerning my motor vehicle are not trumped by the property rights of the Parking lot owner UNLESS I remove the weapon from my vehicle, in which case it is no longer on MY property. THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT FEAR AND CONTROL – DISNEY IS AFRAID OF ITS EMPLOYEES….WHY????

  184. greg

    All one has to do is look at england ! they outlaw guns and their crime rate
    shot thru the roof. Disney doesnot pay the security guards car payment.

  185. Brian

    Well I just can not imagine that Disney snubbing their nose at the law.. no way they wouldnt do that. Yes the same company that gets out of major property tax by planting extra trees so they get a tax exemption. Who doesnt pay for road expansions yet profit from all the tourist who load up the roads. And do you want to bet the big wigs there are carrying, you do not make a million dollar pay check or bonus and not protect your self.

  186. Another company trying to get over on employees and civil rights!

    They do not pay a fair days wage and provide an unsafe environment! Check the record on Death and Injury at the Park!

    The Second Amendment triumph was too much for them!

    If you have a Permit and the right to carry according to the law do so!

    Look up the Florida Statute on Concealed carry abide by it!

    The Attorney General of Florida wants to hear of any matters that concern Employers and legally possesed firearm owners rights being denied or violated!

    Join the NRA it is the best way to protect your rights!

    It really makes me sick to see some of these Disney movies about Davey Crockett and such Historical Depictions! When all they care about is the Box Office!!! Just maybe they should read the Constitution and all the Amendments and the Bill of Rights and live by them! (What a novel idea!)

    Most of the guns used in crime are stolen from law abiding Gun Owners or Law Enforcement and this is a documented fact.

    Do not ask me to not be able to defend my self and my family and to protect others if the need arises, We do not have time to wait for the first responder to get there and try to figure out who shot and killed us! However we (or the person we helped) will have time to explain what happened when they get there and we are still alive!

    Not afraid to carry my Gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  187. Guy G.

    Timbo & RonH…get the picture yet? You and the Liberal Press ARE A MINORITY! You don’t speak for the majority of law-abiding citizens. Oh..and I’ll bet your presidential candidate get buried too!!!

  188. Sean: First of all, let me apologize for the snotty tone I took towards you in my comment. After reading all the whining complaints from from CWC permit holders who are so afraid of the world that they can’t be separated from their guns for a few hours, I was not feeling charitable when I responded to one of the very few reasonable people in this thread. Reasonable… but wrong. :)

    I’m not a lawyer yet, but I’ve had enough training to realize that the important part of the PruneYard decision is in the paragraph you cite, but the important phrase is “state-protected rights”. The case, which has been cited many times since the decision came down nearly 30 years ago, did not say that there is any federally-protected right to do as you wish on private property. It said that states, being sovereign in their domains may increase the protections guaranteed by the US Constitution. California’s state constitution has been interpreted by its courts as enhancing individual rights over property rights, while Florida has not… yet. When Disney challenges this law in the Florida court system, the state courts may determine that Florida’s constitution does place the rights of employees over the rights of property owners.

    Or they may not. Since the PruneYard decision, most states have rejected the expansion of the Federal rights in their own states. Even California, where this decision originated, has been allowing more restrictions by private property owners over the years. Last year, in another challenge to the ruling, the California Supreme Court barely upheld the law in a 5-4 decision with some very strong dissent from the conservatives who have joined the court since the original ruling.

    The Founders were very protective of property rights, particularly regarding the English Common Law which is the basis of our legal system. They were particularly concerned with intrusions onto property by government agents. There was no question you could protect your home from criminals, but protecting it from the government was behind the “castle” laws which allow you to protect your property from intruders using deadly force, if necessary. (See Amendments 3, 4 & 5). Contrary to what another commenter added above, police and other government representatives are not allowed in your home without either your permission, a legal warrant, or in an exigent situation to protect the public from imminent danger. And if that law enforcement officer enters your home without permission and without identifying himself, a Floridian can stand his ground and shoot that cop. (Fla. Title XLVI Chapter 776). Unfortunately, most of the tiny minds braying about the unconstitutionality of Disney’s position are too drunk on gunpowder to realize that the right to bear arms and the right to protect your life, liberty and property are inextricably entwined.

    Our legal system has extended much of the personal private property rights to businesses and business owners, so claiming that personal rights always trump property-owner rights is asking for trouble. If a visitor to your home uses his freedom of speech to start telling inappropriate stories in front of your kids, should you be prohibited from kicking him out? Are you allowed to discriminate by allowing solicitors for a local church in your house but not from a local mosque? Should the law require Disney to allow anti-Disney speeches and leaflets to be distributed on its property? Should they be required to allow employees to exercise free speech to tell visitors that Disney sucks or to use inappropriate but legal language to paying customers? Should they be allowed to tell employees what kinds of clothing or haircuts or piercings are permitted?

    As far as your contention that “employees cannot be compelled to surrender their actual civil rights to their employers in exchange for employment unless there is a very compelling reason” sounds nice, but has no grounding in law. There is nothing in the Constitution or anywhere else that guarantees you a particular job. There is nothing in the law that requires an employer to hire you and very few limitations on why they can fire you. (http://www.nolo.com/article.cfm/ObjectID/AAD74992-4C86-44DA-8102A340BCEC520A/catID/D348BE73-C552-4D58-B00586C0C0909EFA/104/150/269/ART/) When you are hired, you are presented with all kinds of materials and papers to sign and signing them indicates your acceptance of the terms. You are also free at any time to leave the job if the terms change and you don’t agree with them.

    If the terms of the job require you to only speak in rhyme, then you are free to refuse the job if you won’t do that. But, no matter how ridiculous or unreasonable it seems, you have no right to accept the terms and the job, then refuse to speak in rhyme because it is violating your freedom of speech. Anyone is free to be anti-gun, but the NRA or a gun shop or a police Department is free to refuse to hire that person. It is legal to consume as much alcohol as you want in your own home, but if your employer does random drug & alcohol screening, they can fire you for testing positive. You have the freedom to describe yourself as gay, but the Supreme Court has decided that the Boy Scouts have the freedom to fire you for that reason.

    As much as you don’t like those rules — I don’t like those rules — those are the rules our government has chosen to enforce when it comes to balancing the rights of opposing parties. You are not being compelled to surrender your rights if you have the freedom to quit the job.

  189. Ron

    I think that it is about time for the government to stand up to Disney’s continuing arrogance and defiant snubbing of laws, rules, and regulations that it does not agree with.

    How about the government REVOKE the federal explosives permits/licenses that Disney needs for its fireworks displays. It is these very permits which GIVE the exemption loophole to Disney and which Disney lawyers sneekily had added to the law in the 11th hour. NO PERMITS then NO FIREWORKS and NO LOOPHOLE! Case closed. Fight Disney with their own sneeky weapon.

  190. Average Joe

    Timbo, if you want the REAL facts, go to the Center for Disease Control (CDC) website and the FBI website. There you find all the true statistics. If anything you might think the government would skew them in their favor, but alas, you find your statistics are completely made up.

  191. Pat

    I have to say I have never liked Disney. I have lived in Florida for 36 years and I have never cared about Disney World. I think what everyone is forgetting here is that it is not the people who have permits to carry that people need to worry about. We follow the law because we want to be able to keep our firearms. It is the ones who do not follow the law that everyone needs to worry about.
    I worked for a company that has a gun ban and because I abide by the rules as I should I am no longer able to work. I was driing home from work when a car starting folling me. I tried to get away but this person was able to run me off th road. I was pened in my car when this person came up and shot me 4 times. I now live with that everyday and it has effected my life to the point I no longer leave my house. If you think this can not happento you think again. I believe everyone should have a right to be able to defend themselves.
    I would not want what happened to me too happen to anyone. Even these people who are so afraid of people who carry firearms. Of course if we are carring concealed who really knows who is carring and who is not.

  192. Rob

    Back in February 2007 the man who plays the character Beast of “Beauty and the Beast” at Disney’s Magic Kingdom has been arrested and charged with 51 counts of child pornography.

    Then another Disney Worker Traveled To Have Sex With 14-Year-Old Girl and admitted being a Tour Guide On Disney’s Jungle Cruise Ride.

    Then, the Disney scumbags didn’t fired the perp that was caught sending 63 images of child pornography and that was in possession of 5,000 images showing babies in disturbing sexual situations. Instead Disney put him on unpaid leave.

    Just last month another Disney worker child pervert was arrested for 3 counts of child porn was placed on unpaid administrative leave.

    Yet, they fired the security guard who’s suppose to be protecting the Disney property.

  193. George

    Melissa,
    I wish that you (and your magazine) would stick to science, technology and the future instead of things that you know nothing about. If your going to add politics to the list, maybe it’s time I get my science information elsewhere.

  194. Ed

    What seems to be the big deal against having your firearm locked in your vehicle anyway? Does anyone think that this wasn’t occurring already for years now? There haven’t been any cases reported about these employees endangering others prior to this new law. Seem as though Disney cares less about the safety of their employess traveling to and from work. They won’t be available to help you on those long late night drives homes.

  195. Michael A. Heath Sr.

    Being ex military, fifth generation and damn proud of it I can’t ever imagine not being constitutional about what we have here in this great country of ours. There have been a lot of mistakes made in our world because of missinterpretations of our rights and laws granted us through our constitution but some of them will never change. People will try and change the paperwork but the imprinting will remain. That is if one is intelligent enough to understand what we have and exactly why we have it. There are a lot of reasons why this lack of knowledge is so rampant and if we think about it hard enough we will all see that the lack of good raising, instructions in manners, and a real good ass whipping every now and then accounts for probably 90% of the problems we have in dealing with the criminal element in this country. I feel only APATHY for all you dip sticks out there that really want our little corner of freedom here to further deteriorate. When this happens IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT! So then see if you all can spread the blame around amongst yourselves well enough to feel like you’ve done something real important. In the mean time wakeup, grow up and learn to be a responsible member of this society here, or just go somewhere else because when things get really bad over here I, nor anyone with similar sentiments will most likely not want to help save your sorry ass from anything. You all know who I’m talking about so why don’t you grow a little backbone and walk up right so we don’t have to carry you when you can’t handle the load. My family has been in this land for over 400 years and we will not give it up! Nor will we give up the right to protect it, even if it’s from those of you that do not deserve it but seem to think you can just have a piece for free. This land was fought and died for by better folks than you could ever be.

  196. Timbo, you idiot. If we were to apply your nonsensical rationale fairly, then nobody would ever be allowed to drive a car. Do you have any idea how many people die every year in car accidents? It’s between 40 & 50 thousand every year. Do you know how many Americans die from gun-related incidents every year? It’s between 20 & 38 thousand. So, to be consistent, Disney should ban its employees from DRIVING to work also. Fool. Just admit you’re a brain-dead emotionalist anti-gun idiot and leave the rest of us alone.

  197. Bill T

    I’ve been traveling every few years to Disney in Orlando since 1973 with my children and now with my wife and grandkids. We have always driven. I’ve been shooting since I was 10 and a CCW holder since 1985 and ALWAYS carry when we’re on the road. Bottom line, SAFETY. When we arrive at our Disney hotel I lock my gun in my room safe and enjoy our time at Disney (I have always felt very safe on Disney property, just as the Disney employees should have the ability to feel safe on their commute to and from work). I wonder, do they search all 62,000 employee’s cars? It must be a nightmare getting to the time clock! Law abiding citizens have been carrying concealed weapons to places like Disney for a long time and ALL the people are safer for it. There has never been a shootout at the theme parks that I know about. In fact, more people have died on the Mission Space ride than with any gun. I guess the time has come to spend my money elsewhere.

  198. UK Ex Handgun Owner

    Congrats on the Supreme Court ruling with logic – I had excelled in my chosen sport of Practical Shooting until my government decided that I was no longer capable of owning my handguns (Star, S&W, Colt, Ruger) So it took my guns away and gave me compensation. I then bought a Bushmaster, Mosin Nagent,Winchester and Ruger rifles – and guess what, I can now hit a target at 800 yards. All you anti-gun idiots just think about that piece of UK logic!!! I am still as safe as I was when I started shooting 25 years ago otherwise my license would have been revoked… I have just booked a family holiday to the US bringing 100’s of pounds to spend in your country – the friendly establishments will get my hard earned money – Disney is now off the agenda and will be for all future holidays and I’ll be spend the money Disney would have got at the Belz Shooting range in Orlando – Happy days

  199. It’s really very simple:

    The Constitution doesn’t protect you from Disney.
    The Constitution doesn’t protect Disney from you.
    The Constitution protects you and Disney from the Government.

    The Constitution doesn’t tell you to do anything.
    The Constitution doesn’t tell Disney NOT to do anything.
    The Constitution tells the Government what it CAN and CAN’T do.

    Your home is your castle.
    My home is my castle.
    The Magic Kingdom is Disney’s castle.

    If someone doesn’t like your rules, they don’t have to work for you.
    If Disney doesn’t like my rules, they don’t have to hire me.
    If an employee doesn’t like Disney’s rules, they don’t have to work for them.

    You have a right to bear arms.
    I have a right NOT to bear arms.
    The government has NO right to compel or forbid us to bear arms.

    If you don’t like what I say, you don’t have to come to my house.
    If I don’t like your face, I can kick you out of my house.
    If Disney doesn’t like us, they don’t have to let us on their property.*

    You have a right to allow guns on your property.
    I have a right to ban solicitors on my property.
    Disney has a right to forbid guns on its property.

    So, tell me, how many of you people shouting about “the Constitution” and about “your rights” contacted your Congress people on Wednesday to tell them that you want them to vote against the new FISA law? That law shredded your 4th Amendment rights by allowing the government to perform warrantless entries without probable cause. Did you complain on Wednesday that the 4th Amendment protection against government fiddling with your “persons, houses, papers and effects” was being gutted? Do you realize there are another 25 Amendments after the 2nd?

    *The Government made laws preventing Disney and other businesses from making distinctions based on race, old age, sex, marital status, or disability. The Constitution doesn’t talk about this. The Constitution and its Amendments just say that the Government is not PROHIBITED from making those rules.

  200. David

    I worked on Disney Property years ago. I have visited Disney a few times over the years. Each time I entered Disney property, there was a pistol in my vehicle. At this time, according to Disney rules, only employees can not have a gun in their vehicle. They are not breaking any law, only Disney’s personal rule. However, as a private citizen, I am allowed to carry a weapon in my vehicle as a visitor to the park. And if I ever go to the park again, there will be a weapon in my vehicle. Disney can not search my vehicle or even question me as a visitor about the contents of my vehicle.

    I have friends that work at Disney and they carry pistols in their vehicle. They have made the choice of life over a low paying job.

    So, with my personal knowledge of people visiting and working at Disney,

  201. shielah

    There’s reason to take heart, ’cause Disney’s got my back?
    How exactly is that, when Disney is basically telling all of us, visitors and employees, to get screwed when it comes to defending ourselves?
    Yeah, and I’m happy that the Supreme Court finally ruled on the founders’ intent of the Second Amendment. Yeah, it is a victory to the NRA, and I AM THE NRA!

  202. John

    LOL, there is an advertisement for Front Sight on this web page. I guess it is OK to blast firearms unless they are paying for an advertisement :)

  203. Michael

    If Walt were alive today I trust he would be a supporter of the US Constitution and the 2nd amendment. But alas, the communists continue to cry wolf!

  204. American Voter

    “SeaWorld, meanwhile, is standing firm and siding with the legislature. Just in case its employees need to pack some heat during all those whale rescue missions.”

    Talk about being BIASED…. You can’t tell me that the author doesn’t have an agenda.

    The employees need to carry a firearm to and from work because the justice system doesn’t keep them in jail where they belong.

    I find it funny that so many people are against law biding citizens carrying a gun to protect themselves and their family in fear that they may kill some one and I bet that these are the same people that believe in abortion and the killin of innocent babies.

    How ironic…talk about double standards!!!!!

  205. Me and my family will never go to Disney or any Disney related business ever again. That includes movies produced by Disney. I refuse to support a business that doesn’t support my individual rights.

  206. Alan

    I said it before & I will say it again – THE RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE TRUMPS ALL OTHER RIGHTS – YOU HAVE TO BE ALIVE TO EXERCISE ANY RIGHTS! IF the liberal “I want the government to take of me” types can’t fend for themselves of least they should let those of us who aren’t afraid to be self-reliant alone!! 911 when every second counts help is just minutes away!

  207. Alan

    Here is something else to think about – THe police have no duty to protect you! That’s right the police don’t have to protect you. There is a DC (20 square miles durrounded by reality) court case involving two women who were raped in thier apartment. They called the police several times for over two hours but they never responded. The assailant came back & raped them again. They sued the DC police but the court threw out the case staing (sic) “The police have no duty to protect individaul citezens, only society as a whole” Even when they knew a crime had been committed they still (according to the court) had no duty to protect these women. You can look it up the decision came down shorlty I became a cop in 1985 & it made most of us sick. They were wrong, they should have responded. The police can’t be everywhere and you can’t depend on them for protection. Mickey & his liberal “the government will take care of me” types won’t protect you so who does that leave? I bet the outcome would have been different if one of those women would have been trained & armed!

  208. Grant

    I can see how some would like to think they are keeping their family safe by going to a “gun free” zone. Safe indeed, like the gun-free zone at say….Virginia Tech? How stupid can they really be! Do they really believe that some crazed killer is going to stop and go elsewhere because of a company policy to keep guns out of the parkiing lot! Duhhh. Wake up and use your head for something other than a hat rack.

  209. American Voter

    Alan you are absolutely right. Here’s one for you…go to this link

    “Judge Advises Crime Victim To Arm Herself After Attack”

    http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_130537.asp

  210. Virgil

    Here is the crazy part, and the NRA points this out. If you are a Florida resident with a carry permit, or a resident of a state that Florida reciprocates with on carry permits, then you can carry your firearm on you, in your vehicle at all times. However, a business may tell you that you must disarm before entering the business. So we have always left weapons in our vehicles. If you cannot leave it in your vehicle and you cannot carry it into the business, you can’t carry at all, permit be damned. Here in Georgia the new law says “any publicly accessable parkng area” and is not limited to employees. The only stupid thing in these laws is the fact that we have gone so far downhill that we have to have them.

    The Supreme Court has ruled that your auto is your property over and over on other issues. This is why a warrant is needed to search your auto, if you do not submit to a search. It is considered an extension of your home. This is also why a carry permit lets us carry in our vehicle, even though it is on a public road. You are not allowed to walk down a public road armed in Georgia, as the road is public property, like government buildings and parks (and you liberals, please, do not tell me any place open to the public is public property; GA defines public property on the back of the permit as gov buildings, schools, parks, churchs, and other places owned by the public).

    If Disney believes that what is in an employee’s car is on their property, rather than on the employee’s property, then Disney should have all their property confiscated and sold at aution the first time an employee has illegal drugs in their car! It is one way or the other!

  211. American Voter

    Don’t forget about this interesting story by the Orlando Sentinel

    “Trouble can strike fast at South Florida malls
    Danger lurks in stores and parking lots”

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sfl-flbmallmai

    And you wonder why people want to protect themselves and their family.

  212. Warsaw Wizard

    Well, Discover Magazine, or at least this article, isn’t bias is it? This author has to be a real anti-firearms person to make an idiotic statement about Sea World, like “Just in case its employees need to pack some heat during all those whale rescue missions”.

    First the Author should get his head on straight. This controversy is about keeping a (legal) firearm LOCKED IN ONES CAR WHILE PARKED IN AN EMPLOYEERS PARKING LOT. Taking a firearm on a “whale rescue mission” would constitute taking it TO WORK which THIS LAW doesn’t address nor condone!

    This is just another, “back door”, attempt by another, bleeding heart liberal, news reporter to “bias” the readers.

    I think the author forgets that “we dumb readers” are still a little smarter than him/her!!!!

    And now you know,
    The Warsaw Wizard)

  213. JTOMP

    Boycotting Disney will produce a financial effect. If members want to generate a positive result, boycott all Disney, Pixar, etc. films if your family will let you. Boycott all sponsors of Disney television productions and the Disney Channel. Write letters to the sponsors explaining your boycott of not only the product that sponsored a Disney production but all of the sponsor company products. If you want to have the widest effect watch Disney movies on TV for these sponsors and carefully screen all products in Disney productions that paid Disney to have their product name displayed in the production.

    Any boycott that is less than this level of effort will be laughed at by Disney. The left coast sponsors of Disney financing will keep pumping money into the corporation.

  214. Fergus

    As an added note;
    I prefer to live according to the second amendment and what it affords me, it says it is my right to be armed, from that I say it is my duty to be responsible and that affords me the right to stay alive with the ability to LAWFULLY defend myself. (From my post on the 10th) This means wherever I may be….

  215. Richard H. Radius

    The only reason for gun control is to enslave the population of this country and overthrow the Constitution. Brady, George Soros and their ilk want everyone in the world disarmed except themselves. Ditto for the dissenting justices on the Supreme Court.

  216. C. West

    The anti self defense fanatics who make fun of this issue by making statements about getting mugged by Mickey, or needing a piece to rescue a whale have never had a family member murdered in broad daylight, in front of other family members, in a good neighborhood, in a nice – peaceful family oriented town. The right to protect yourself, and the other it may harm, is the most self evident right that we enjoy. I am not afraid of legally permited citizen who carries a gun or keeps one locked in their car. I am afraid of those who could care less about the law, who will kill you for the money in your wallet, or less!!!!!!!! It’s an old saying but is the only one that makes sense…”If Guns are outlawed, then only OutLaws will own guns!” THINK ABOUT IT.

  217. Fergus

    I guess what bothers me is the high and mighty corporate types in Disney and the Florida Chamber that seem to think there is always a reason as to why a law passed by the legislators (who are only voting the will of the people that put them in office), does not apply to them and then they can find a way to “exempt” their world and forget the reality of the people who have to go to the bank, to work, to the store. The people that may face the criminal who does not follow the law, who does not do things in accordance with the laws concerning how he got his weapon, that is the person that will in an instant, lose it because he wants what you have for his next fix of meth or whatever his drug of choice may be so he kills you. So many times we read or see that a person is killed over some petty amount of cash, a car or “just because” the criminal had no regard for a life. Then we hear all about how many times they have been arrested and how bad thier lives were, and always some kind of abuse is then used for a defense. So here is the reality; You may be killed by this person who wants what you have, you will then pay (in taxes) for his care feeding, medical and dental as well as his counseling. Prisons will be overcrowded and he or she will be back on the street to start this chain all over again.

    So pass some more laws, make new ones, it will not matter, the laws on the books are good ones, they provide a background check, a waiting period in most places and the law abiding person who has no intent on committing a criminal act will follow those laws. The criminal will not, he or she can buy a gun whenever they want on the street, no background, no waiting, no ID, just the cash he got for fencing the goods from his last crime or maybe the money he got when he held you up or carjacked you. So what happens, you pass more laws, you find ways to infringe on the rights of law abiding people thinking this will stop the criminal from getting a weapon-WRONG,instead all you have done is to find a way to limit the way that the law abiding person can defend him or herself. In other words, you create a safe haven for the drug users, carjackers, robbers and the rest of the people that want to do you harm. This is not a gun toting fanatics thinking, it is a person that is aware of what happens every day, a person that has seen this and knows that half the battle is just trying to get people to be aware of thier own surroundings. Know the areas you drive through, be a participant in your own survival! If you are aware, then you have choices, my choice is to be prepared in a concealed manner to defend myself wherever that may be. I regognize the off limits places as outlined in my permit, no where does it state that the Orlando Rat has jurisdiction over me or my permit.

    I understand that many on this list have said this is about private property rights, but bending the law to claim your primary business is explosives? I thought Disney was an entertainment company with oversized rats and fairies. Give me a break, what is next, what part of the law can they find a loophole to ignore next. Either we all follow the same laws or we all will live in a free for all place where we all can find a lawyer to change the rules for each circumstance, then I guess we will live in the Great State of Chaos instead of the State of Florida.

  218. joe

    Private property is limited when you invite the public and take their money. Why can’t a firearm be secured in a trunk? You can’t prevent the determined from carrying out their will. They will just ignore the ordanance and bring in whatever they want. Better to have some armed citizens ready to act.

  219. Greg T

    Easy problem really. The same state that provides them the privlidge to store foreworks is responsible for protecting the constitutional right of the employees (who are US citizens), or patrons, to safely have a firearm in their cars. If Disney sees this as a conflict – pull the fireworks license. End of problem.

  220. Fergus

    And while we debate this, lets take a closer look at the files pertaining to who really has a VALID social security number of all those who may fall under the employ of Disney and anyone employed by the Florida Chambers many business enterprises. Could 100% of the employees hired by these anti gun employers withstand the same scrutiny that a CCW permit holder has undergone in order to get that license? Would all of their employees social security and I-9 forms be run against the national database and still come out as legal citizens, would background checks find a few more (a few more than the ones who have been showing up with records for molesting or child porn charges, the ones Disney like to hide from public view), child molesters in the happiest place on earth? I bet there would be a lot of folks going down the road looking for employment elsewhere if the same scrutiny was applied to Disney employees.

    When you start claiming exemptions, when you say you are not bound by the laws the rest of us are covered by, you had better have a clean house or you will look pretty stupid in the end.

    If everyone would be held to the same standard, fingerprint check and background check as what a CCW permit holder goes through, it would be a pretty safe world!

    Maybe we all could place billboards on I-95 and I-75 warning tourists that Disney is actually an explosives business and they could be in danger if they enter on to the theme park property, you know like the ones the Brady campaign puts up to try and scare folks about the law abiding CCW permit holders.

  221. Scott

    And to think I was going to Disney next month..emphisis on WAS. Wait until an (ex)employee sues them for wrongful disillusionment of employment.

  222. John

    What a joke! If Disney searched every car in it’s customer paring lot, which is by the way is the second largest parking lot in the world, they would find about 50,000 guns in glove compartments, mine included. They don’t stop customers from leagally having guns in their cars, how is stopping employees with CWP’s going to prevent crime? Disney is famous around town for it’s overbearing, liberal, elitist attitude, and maybe should spend more time keeping child predators out of its employee ranks.

  223. dave riancho

    If employees are not allowed to carry their legal firearm to work and home again to protect their self from harm , then Disney should have to take responsibility for any harm that may happen to their employees while traveling to and from work. The courts have ruled we are responsible for our own protection, not the police ,not the government . If Disney is going to take away our means to protect ourselves then they should then have to take on the responsibility of anything that happens to employees while traveling to and from work!

  224. John

    Ms. Lafsky, the author of this blog article, must now re-evaluate the support she sought to engender from anti-gun crusaders. Obviously, once you leave the cloistered confines of liberal acedemia and gated country-club communities (with their own private security) and venture into the real world in which the rest of us reside, it should become obvious that our concerns run more to the personal safety of ourselves and our family, rather than to property rights of Disney. Unlike those without real world experiences, we know that criminals actually arm themselves in flagrant violation of the law, that they use those weapons to attempt to force us to part with our property, our persons and our lives, and that when reminded that they are violating the law, they actually refuse to stop their assault. They even have the audacity to refuse to cease long enough for us to call 911 and for help to arrive.

    So, Ms. Lafsky- are you hearing our comments and realizing the extreme lack of support for your position?

  225. Dan Small

    I guess with all their money,Disney thinks they are above the law.
    Now,here is a company that has child-molesters and other such freaks
    walking around in Mickey Mouse,goofy,etc.type uniforms,and this is not
    a problem,right?

    However,an employee,with a carry permit,who happens to live in a seedy district,and wishes to secure His Own life so He can get home to His
    kids,is now denied His rights to a law that has been passed by the
    Supreme Court.Where is the logic in this?
    Disney must not understand the law as it is written,Employees must
    have permits,customers and “invitees” do not.
    However,if said “employee,customer,or invitee”goes to their vehicle,
    removes firearm and does damage on business property,the owner
    of the business is not liable for any damage done,the gun owner is.

    This is the way the law is written.What the f### is Disney’s problem
    with that?

    I think the molesters in close contact with kids are a bigger worry.

  226. carpenter

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  227. American Voter

    “John Says:
    July 13th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
    What a joke! If Disney searched every car in it’s customer paring lot, which is by the way is the second largest parking lot in the world, they would find about 50,000 guns in glove compartments, mine included. They don’t stop customers from leagally having guns in their cars, how is stopping employees with CWP’s going to prevent crime? Disney is famous around town for it’s overbearing, liberal, elitist attitude, and maybe should spend more time keeping child predators out of its employee ranks.”

    This is an article for you read, click on the link…

    “Tigger Character Suspended By Disney Again, This Time As Goofy”

    ORLANDO, Fla. — The man cleared last month on claims he molested a teenager while playing Tigger at the Magic Kingdom has been suspended again. This time he was playing Goofy and is accused of shoving two other workers at Walt Disney World.

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  228. Brandon

    April 16, 2007, Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people and wounded 17 more. He was basically an untrained 23 yr old using a 9 mm and a .22-caliber. Other than the two in the dormitory, all of the killing occurred in less than 11 minutes. He was basically unchallenged, because he was shooting at a bunch of helpless students and teachers that he knew would be unarmed, because it is against the law to carry on campus. Oddly, that failed to stop Cho from bringing his handguns.

    So much for the “Disney protecting its customers” argument. Though strong argument for Disney being liable..

  229. sean spoonts

    Evano, I accept your apology in the spirit in which it was offered. But I still think you are missing some fundamental points.

    1) It is a fact that some employers require a suspension of certain Constitutional rights as a condition of employment. The military is one such employer that infringes on the Constitutional rights of its employees for compelling reasons of national security. In the military you don’t have the right to freedom of speech, freedom of association, or the right to keep and bare arms other than in a manner permitted by the military. Other employers have enforced dress codes, speech codes and all other manner of petty infringements that the courts have upheld in many cases. The reason was that employees sometimes have a business interest in certain infringments. So, a McDonalds can require an employee to follow a certain dress code and others can insist that employees refrain from foul language in the presense of customers. In reviewing such infringements the Courts look at whether the infringment is an unreasonable infringement or not. The judgements have generally been that employee speech codes and dress codes do not impair the employees fundamental rights when they are away from work, where they may dress and speak as they please. But Disney’s ban on firearms goes much further since it unreasonably regulates the legal behavior of employees significantly when they are away from work, while infringing (unreasonably in my view) upon the private property of the employees cars. While it’s reasonable for Disney to prohibit employees from carrying gunson them while on the clock, it cannot prohibit employees from possessing firearms in a lawful manner when they are not working, unless there is a very good reason related to Disney’s business operations. And for reasons previously stated, I can’t see one. And I suspect that Disney can’t come up with on either which is why they are clinging to the exemption they are claiming.

    2) The point above is related to the “PruneYard” decision mostly in the sense that a private yet public business are not strictly the same as private property. The court in that case determined that the mall was akin to a “public forum” because it was the functional equivalent of a traditional town square. As a public forum, the mall was required to permit free speech activities in the common area, subject to reasonable time, place and manner restrictions established by the mall owner. So while the business owner had a right to restrict the free speech of its customers it had to be within “reasonable” limits.

    3) Where your argument fails is in the absolutes you assign to your position. Business owners have rights and so to the private citizens who seek employment at those businesses. An employer who wanted to ensure a drug free work place could not legally compell an employee to submit to random searches of their home for drugs. An employer who wanted to keep an employee from working at a competitor has only a limited and reasonable right to a non-compete agreement with the employee. Between employees and employers, rights sometimes conflict. In this case, Disney’s desire to ensure a safe workplace has overstepped its reasonable bounds by restricting the lawful activity of its employees outside the workplace. If they cannot have a firearm locked in their cars at work, then they can’t have a firearm during their daily commute which consists of most of the time people spend in their cars daily. Disney’s need for safety from dangerous employees(as if a deranged person is actually going to obey that rule) is in serious conflict with the employees perceived need for safety going to and from their place of work.

    4) Finally, Florida has seen fit to clarify it’s existing firearms laws to correct the actions of employers who went to far in restricting their employees lawful possession of firearms. The intention of the law in this state is that law abiding people be free to possess a firearm in their homes, places of business and cars if they so choose. Florida further permits an additional right of concealed carry to people willing to surrender a little privacy in assuring the State that they are trained in the safe handling of guns and not a felon, mental defective or substance abuser. Disney’s business interests have to be pretty compelling to interfere in the rights of its employess in this way, especially when they make no effort to restrict the rights of their customers in the same manner.

    So all the arguements boil down to whether this is a “reasonable” infringement upon its employees by Disney, particularly when the Florida legislature representing the voters has passed a law specifically telling employers not to do it.

  230. al

    Disney nor Universal will never see another penny of my family’s money!

  231. Patrick Reilly

    Walt Disney established his company with a mouse. However, he made it big with TV hero’s that believed in individual freedom. The Disney hero’s Francis Marion, Elfego Baca, Davy Crocket, Texas John Slaughter and others all were safe enough to be seen using a gun. For fun take a look at Walt Disney dressed as a western sheriff.

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  232. Russ FL Gun Owner

    As usual these crazy liberals have missed the entire point of this law and have twisted it to serve their own agenda. The real point of this issue is two parts. Under the law me and any other concealed weapons permits (CWP) carrier have the right under the Castle Doctrine to protect our selves and our property traveling to and from our place of work. I, just as many others, do not have the right to carry my firearm into my place of employment. I must leave it in my car. But, I do have the right to protect myself as a travel to and from there. This is the issue that we “Gun Toting”, Second Amendment supporting, NRA members have a problem with…They are trying to suppress my basic Constitutional Right to protect myself and my family.

    You see under the Florida Castle Doctrine, my car is an extension of my home, which I have the right to protect and defend. The new law allows me as a law abiding citizen and CWP carrier to have a gun with me in public places. That includes the Disney parking lot. Look, no one in there right mind wants to take a loaded gun into the park. But, I feel I have the right to protect myself as I travel to and from!

    Disney has twisted this into there own agenda and they are using it as a platform to suppress my right and the rights of there employees, by trying to operate above the law. I don’t think I will be renewing my season passes this year. I applauded SeaWorld for their guts to stand behind the law. Looks like that’s where I will get seasons passes next year. Guns have helped to make this country free and they are what help to keep it free. God help us all!

  233. Sean Mahoney

    It occurs to me that if Disney is found to be in knowing violation of existing or new laws, Disney should be criminally prosecuted, not just told “you can’t” and allowed to “walt”z away (sorry, that just happened somehow).

  234. Pissed off Ex Annual Disney Pass Holder

    Every year My family of 8 would take are Tax money and Purchase a Annual Pass to go to Disney..We would visit every other wk end and Holidays as well (CHRISTMAS).. I noticed the change when fire arms begain to vanish from some of the rides for instance Kilmanjar Safari had an area that supposed pochurs where camped and had 3 AK-type rifles and at the end a Disney employee would be there holding the Bad guys at Gun Point.Those quickly disappeared .. The security Guards at the front of the Parks are going through every peace of what ever you have in your bag at one time my wifes feminen products where pulled out in front of millions of people and the Guard was a rediculous smart mouth… But my knife in my pocket was with me on every ride possable even the Pirates rrrrrrrr…. Until this Liberal movement stops My family and I will no longer support them and we will spend are lump some of money saved for Vacationing at Disney will be spend on new Guns and vacationing some place more Conservative….. I plan on to continue to teach my Family its ok to protect them selves and its ok to be against homosexuality that Disney promotes…. Disney you are looseing true Americans thanks for being a part in the big Anti America .. If we would have known disney was turning this way we would have been rich just on the saveing alone that My family has spent over the last 33 years.. you suck!!!!!!!!!! Hands off my Guns you Liberal Scumsssss

  235. Pissed off Ex Annual Disney Pass Holder

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  236. gzelmiami

    I shudder to think what would happen if a suicidal terrorist or crazed criminal walked in with weapons concealed into the park.How quickly would he (or she) would be brought down? The same scenario applies to all other no-gun zones. Criminals do NOT obey laws! Feel good gun bans only make you less safe.

  237. Hi everybody, My name is Edwin Sotomayor as you might already know I am the Security Officer who was recently suspended and ultimately terminated from Walt Disney World for bringing a legal firearm to work while carrying a valid State of Florida Concealed Weapon Permit. I am a law abiding citizen and under a new enacted law, now private employees are allowed to take their firearms in their personal vehicles to work as long as the firearm remains inside a parked and locked vehicle.

    Some people think that I was wrong about doing this, but Disney does not protect me during my commute to and from work. When I say I loved my job I meant to say I loved my Disney family, but apparently Disney does not appreciate me after my 13 ½ years of hard work & dedication. During my time at the Animal Kingdom Park I was part of a Safety Committee Team and I constantly interacted with Safety Management due to employee & guest concerns. I care about people, I care about my co-workers and I care about safety. Disney in on hand says “we are concerned about our cast & guest safety”, but the in the other hand if it requires money to fix the safety issue… they say “Disneyland we have a problem” or the issue gets ignored and never resolved, unless someone gets injured or killed. In fact more people at Disney have been injured or have died due to ride mechanical malfunctions or mechanical structures at Disney and as far as I know “no one” has ever died or been injured on the hands of a current employee with a handgun.

    I care about the safety of those who surrounded me on a daily basis and I believe that the only way to make any employer feel comfortable with this new law is for me to create awareness and make them understand that we (CWP holders) are not career criminals. We just want to go to work with a privilege that would enable us to feel safe outside of Disney and will help us promote life after Disney. Death is not an option when it comes to safety…

    When a citizen takes time to apply for a Concealed Weapons Permit in Florida, this individual does in fact go through a legal process that unusually takes up to 90 days to complete. That process includes a criminal & FBI background check, the submittal of a fingerprints via card or a process called livescan and a picture, Do you see career criminals doing this… Do you? Having a Concealed Weapons permit in Florida is not a right is a privilege. The State of Florida has the legal ability grant or deny this privilege while an application is being processed.

    For those who don’t believe in the right to keep and bear arms… I have one question for you… How many CWP holders in Florida do you know that have been subject of criminal prosecution or have committed a violent crime while in possession of this permit? I am assuming that you know about a few Florida cases, but if you consider how many times a criminal does something wrong against how many times a CWP holder does something wrong, the difference is huge. An advantage about a registered CWP is that the Law Enforcement Community can easily locate you as a CWP holder and not a career criminal. Do you think that a CWP holder does not think about this, knowing how easy he or she can be located? Career criminals don’t care…

    Not everybody that is employed at Disney, not everybody that belongs to the Chamber of Commerce or the Florida Retail Association believes in the lawsuit to overturn the new state law regarding employees and their right to keep and bear arms while at work. That said I would like to encourage those businesses to sit down and carefully think about their actions against the law abiding citizen, our Government, the laws of the State of Florida and our Constitution in general.

    Thank you for supporting me and God Bless America

    Edwin Sotomayor

    Florida2ndAmendmentSprtFund@yahoo.com

  238. Old Man

    I think there is an underlying issue here that few people if any have asked about.

    Why should a business owner have the “right” to search an employees vehicle for anything if it is parked in a publicly accessible parking lot? That vehicle is the private property of the employee. Do businesses only claim the “right” to search employees vehicles or do they claim the “right” to search anyone’s vehicle including customers? How many have signs at the entrances to publicly accessible parking lots stating that all vehicles entering the parking lots are subject to search? Where is the line drawn? Do employers claim the “right” to strip search employees at will?

    I imagine many employers would be thrilled to be able to “search employees vehicles for firearms” at will. You can bet that if they just happen to run across union organizing material, that employee will be fired for some reason. I would imagine that with some employers the same would hold true for political material they disagree with.

    An employer should not have the “right” to search an employees vehicle for anything at all if it is parked in a publicly accessible parking lot unless there is a law enforcement officer present with a warrant.

    One last question. If a business owner claims the “right” to search any vehicle parked on a publicly accessible parking lot because it is their property, should they then have the responsibility for any damage to the vehicle or for anything that happens to a customer or employee on that property?

  239. Sean Spoonts

    Mr. Sotomayer I just wanted to say that I admire your standing by your principles and I’m sorry that it cost you a job you loved and had for almost 14 years. Given the many times I’ve been to Disney World with the family(I live in Florida) I’d probably know you on sight. If the informal polls taken in the media and the comments here are any indication, most people are with you. It isn’t too often that one man can make such a big difference in people’s lives. I think you are in the position to do just that.
    God bless, Good luck and keep going.

  240. Thank you Sean,

    To be honest with you… On July 4th I woke up and told myself. Edwin… today is going to be the day that would change the rest of you life… and so far so good & no regrets. Thank for you support and God Bless all of you!

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  241. Ray

    I wonder if all 60,000 employees get checked on a daily basis? What was Disney up to before the law was enacted? I think this 13 year employee has been checked out by Disney and it has been shown that he is a responsible citizen, responsible employee dedicated to his job. The process we all go through to acquire the permits so we can defend ourselves is very thorough and shows that we are reponsoble when it comes to good judgement in the use of a firearm along with showing that we are not the criminals. Disney must believe or is afraid of law abiding citizens. Especially since they set up their fireworks displays in the parking lot.

  242. Mickey

    Disney will lose this legal battle.

    Disney will lose customers.

    Anti-gun Discover Magazine has lost this customer: “cause to take heart”, “Disney’s got your back”. Not renewing my subscription.

  243. Let me make sure I understand this issue.

    Disney hires employees (cast members), believing they will behave in a safe and responsible manner around guests. They are entrusting cast members with the reputation of the company. They have taken the time interview these people. They know them. These people cannot have guns in their vehicles on Disney parking lots.

    But Disney has no clue to the mental stability or malevolent intensions of the guests visiting the parks or staying in on property. These people can have guns in their vehicles on Disney parking lots.

    To wrap up; the people Disney know cannot have guns, the people Disney do not know can have guns. That makes sense.

  244. phil

    lets all get helmets and bulletproof vests too because someone might attack us. oh wait fuk that im so paranoid i need a couple ak-47’s in my car. LETS ALL GET MORE GUNS TO PROTECT US FROM MORE GUNS. cold war anyone? if you have this little faith in mankind and need to drive around with a gun then perhaps you are too parinoid to be able to safely carry a gun. i mean i know the Disneyland parking lots are a treacherous place but just cause someone stole your parkings spot doest mean you have to do a drive by on their ass.

  245. Fernando B

    To those who want to remove the right to bear arms from the Constitution:

    – Criminals will not leave their guns at home when going to Disney.
    – Criminals do not have Concealed Weapons Permit, since they are not allowed.
    – Criminals commit drive-bys, not those with Concealed Weapons Permit.
    – An AK-47 does not fall in the Concealed Weapons Permit category. In case you do not know, it is very difficult to carry an AK-47 in a pocket or coat.
    – Crime Rate around Orlando Area is one of the highest in the nation (Murder rate blamed on Drugs and ILLEGAL GUNS! – http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/data/orl-homicidemap-main,0,4865031.htmlpage)
    – Criminals rob thousands of tourists in Orlando area every year, some times with grave consequences.
    – Now, if I live in Orlando, like many of Disney’s employees, and have to leave my gun at home because it cannot be in my auto….
    1) How will Disney protect me when in transit? When arriving late at Home? When pumping gas on the way Home or going to the Market after leaving Disney? Will they pay for reparations?
    2) Since I left my gun at home, how will Disney protect me if the gun is used against me when I get home? If it is stolen and used to commit a crime, how will Disney protect me from liability?

    Have you considered Washington D.C.’s and Puerto Rico’s case? In this instance the murder rates are the highest in the land AND law abiding citizens are not allowed to carry guns…..Although it may be changing for DC.

    Gun control does work, when it’s imposed ON CRIMINALS!
    Wouldn’t it be easier if the areas (less than 1% of the land in the US) with the highest crime rates get raided to remove ILLEGALY OWNED GUNS?
    This is better than controlling the rest of the LAW ABIDING POPULATION.
    But the ACLU will not defend the Constitution and instead they’ll defend the Criminals…

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