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	<title>Comments on: Sarah Palin Still Butchering Science, Redux</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/10/03/sarah-palin-still-butchering-science-redux/</link>
	<description>A blog about science, politics, and how to let each help the other without compromising them both.</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Wood</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/10/03/sarah-palin-still-butchering-science-redux/#comment-3060</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin has no understanding of science, and certainly cannot express a coherent thought in a grammatically correct sentence, but your five "examples" are a cheap shot - they have nothing to do with Palin, so you're just associating her name with 5 examples of where people did not or do not know the causes of some malady, which proves nothing about Palin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin has no understanding of science, and certainly cannot express a coherent thought in a grammatically correct sentence, but your five &#8220;examples&#8221; are a cheap shot - they have nothing to do with Palin, so you&#8217;re just associating her name with 5 examples of where people did not or do not know the causes of some malady, which proves nothing about Palin.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/10/03/sarah-palin-still-butchering-science-redux/#comment-2734</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/10/03/sarah-palin-still-butchering-science-redux/#comment-2734</guid>
		<description>I'm no Palin fan (far from it), but at least she's not using global warming to further political means, such as carbon taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no Palin fan (far from it), but at least she&#8217;s not using global warming to further political means, such as carbon taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Wilcher</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/10/03/sarah-palin-still-butchering-science-redux/#comment-2650</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Wilcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/10/03/sarah-palin-still-butchering-science-redux/#comment-2650</guid>
		<description>Litter and pollution is ugly, but I doubt that we humans actually have much of an impact on earth and the climate. Its kind of arrogant to think that we humans make much of a difference in the way Mother Nature works. Im a tree hugger also, but I don't really agree with the popaganda spewed out by the environmentalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Litter and pollution is ugly, but I doubt that we humans actually have much of an impact on earth and the climate. Its kind of arrogant to think that we humans make much of a difference in the way Mother Nature works. Im a tree hugger also, but I don&#8217;t really agree with the popaganda spewed out by the environmentalists.</p>
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		<title>By: Jiri Polivka</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/10/03/sarah-palin-still-butchering-science-redux/#comment-2639</link>
		<dc:creator>Jiri Polivka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/10/03/sarah-palin-still-butchering-science-redux/#comment-2639</guid>
		<description>I do not think there are real proofs that humans do affect the climate as Mr.Gore claims. By the way, the Nobel peace Prize was also awarded to a known terrorist Arafat.. I think e.g. ants are more important to the Nature than humans.
Scientists are gradually discovering new facts about the climate, and I see as a failure that many come to "decisive" conclusions by faulty extrapolations. Regular temperature measurements only started in 1712 in Prague, and yet, many "scientists" conclude about "precision" data extrapolated to thousands of years back.. The famous "ozone hole" was discovered some 20 years ago, yet the "scientists" pushed to prohibit freons, to "reduce the ozone hole". Now, the ozone hole laughs at them- it opens and closes without any relation of our stopping generating freons.  Two years ago, cattle emissions of methane were blamed for whatever... till the oceanographers discovered that almost million times more volume of methane is released by decaying organic matter in the oceans...
Earth climate is governed mostly by solar activity and some other phenomena. We cannot affect or control it by prohibitions and cutting down industry. We should care not to damage our environment, but we rather should prepare for a climate change by other means than believing we cause it... Remember, ants affect the Earth much more than humans...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think there are real proofs that humans do affect the climate as Mr.Gore claims. By the way, the Nobel peace Prize was also awarded to a known terrorist Arafat.. I think e.g. ants are more important to the Nature than humans.<br />
Scientists are gradually discovering new facts about the climate, and I see as a failure that many come to &#8220;decisive&#8221; conclusions by faulty extrapolations. Regular temperature measurements only started in 1712 in Prague, and yet, many &#8220;scientists&#8221; conclude about &#8220;precision&#8221; data extrapolated to thousands of years back.. The famous &#8220;ozone hole&#8221; was discovered some 20 years ago, yet the &#8220;scientists&#8221; pushed to prohibit freons, to &#8220;reduce the ozone hole&#8221;. Now, the ozone hole laughs at them- it opens and closes without any relation of our stopping generating freons.  Two years ago, cattle emissions of methane were blamed for whatever&#8230; till the oceanographers discovered that almost million times more volume of methane is released by decaying organic matter in the oceans&#8230;<br />
Earth climate is governed mostly by solar activity and some other phenomena. We cannot affect or control it by prohibitions and cutting down industry. We should care not to damage our environment, but we rather should prepare for a climate change by other means than believing we cause it&#8230; Remember, ants affect the Earth much more than humans&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/10/03/sarah-palin-still-butchering-science-redux/#comment-2615</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/realitybase/2008/10/03/sarah-palin-still-butchering-science-redux/#comment-2615</guid>
		<description>Your last paragraph is, in a word, nuts.  Just about everything you named can be experimented on, and therefore, correlations can be examined, and causes can tested.  You can test people with normal heath versus abnormal health issues (that's all you named, of course), and make comparisons, try different treatments, etc.  Every successful medical treatment has trial and error at its foundation.  And medicine still doesn't have answers for everything or explaining why things happen in the human body -- there are limitations to what we can know at this point.  And if we cannot accurately predict why some people survive cancer even though they don't fit the models, or why certain diseases present differently in different people, I'm not so sure we have the capability to predict the behavior of our climate, which is significantly more complex.  Unfortunately, we don't have multiple earths to fool around with.  

I would argue that if indeed you would need to identify man as a cause in order to treat the disease of global warming, you already know too little about the climate to do anything about it.    After all, we know for a fact that carbon dioxide has an effect on the climate, as do many things, including solar output, which changes each cycle, creating ice ages and periods of high output, water vapor, the reflectivity of clouds, and the absorption of heat by the ground.  If indeed science has identified a trend, and that trend will harm our civilization, we should affect what we can affect, regardless of the cause.  That probably means reducing CO2 emissions, decreasing the absorption of heat by buildings, rolling back deforestation, but it seems pretty evident to me that KNOWING that we are "guilty" for it in some religious way is pretty irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your last paragraph is, in a word, nuts.  Just about everything you named can be experimented on, and therefore, correlations can be examined, and causes can tested.  You can test people with normal heath versus abnormal health issues (that&#8217;s all you named, of course), and make comparisons, try different treatments, etc.  Every successful medical treatment has trial and error at its foundation.  And medicine still doesn&#8217;t have answers for everything or explaining why things happen in the human body &#8212; there are limitations to what we can know at this point.  And if we cannot accurately predict why some people survive cancer even though they don&#8217;t fit the models, or why certain diseases present differently in different people, I&#8217;m not so sure we have the capability to predict the behavior of our climate, which is significantly more complex.  Unfortunately, we don&#8217;t have multiple earths to fool around with.  </p>
<p>I would argue that if indeed you would need to identify man as a cause in order to treat the disease of global warming, you already know too little about the climate to do anything about it.    After all, we know for a fact that carbon dioxide has an effect on the climate, as do many things, including solar output, which changes each cycle, creating ice ages and periods of high output, water vapor, the reflectivity of clouds, and the absorption of heat by the ground.  If indeed science has identified a trend, and that trend will harm our civilization, we should affect what we can affect, regardless of the cause.  That probably means reducing CO2 emissions, decreasing the absorption of heat by buildings, rolling back deforestation, but it seems pretty evident to me that KNOWING that we are &#8220;guilty&#8221; for it in some religious way is pretty irrelevant.</p>
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