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		<title>By: jiji</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<description>Thank you, Discover, for highlighting the debate on SBS.  On October 1, 2008, the Goudge Inquiry (Google for details) determined after a long and in-depth investigation that every SBS conviction in Ontario should be reviewed.  The diagnosis of Shaken Baby Syndrome is based on a couple of assumptions subsequent scientific discoveries have failed to support.  First is that NOTHING other than shaking can cause a certain constellation of symptoms (retinal bleeding, subdural bleeding, brain swelling).  Since SBS was proposed, it has been learned that a number of rare congenital diseases result in the same symptoms.  I suspect there are congenital or environmental causes not yet known.  A second assumption is that the last person alone with the child is an abuser.  There are known and proven cases where children have been under medical supervision for 16-72 hours before displaying alarming symptoms (seizures, labored breathing).  In Wisconsin, a baby was in hospital for 16 hours before a nurse noticed labored breathing.  The child died of &quot;classic&quot; SBS symptoms and the nurse was not charged with abuse.  Nevertheless, medical experts continue to testify that symptoms are immediate and devastating in fatal cases, and the last person must therefore be a perpetrator.  Confessions by true perpetrators are considered proof that those who do not confess are lying, yet almost anyone can be led to &quot;confess&quot; using interrogation techniques developed for hardened criminals, not young parents or grandmothers who trust the police and are trying to &quot;help&quot; figure out what happened to the baby.

Doctors know even less about infant brains than adult brains, and further research needs to be conducted.  The number of otherwise excellent parents and carers who have been accused of abuse after telling the identical &quot;lame&quot; story should raise alarm bells.  Just because shaking can cause the symptoms does not prove NOTHING but shaking can cause them.  A broken arm does not &quot;prove&quot; a person has fallen out of a tree!  Much research needs to be done to find out what is really happening in some of these cases.  I hope someone will begin to collect DNA samples from children with these symptoms.  Perhaps as DNA decoding becomes better and better, things can be discovered.  Thank you, in any case, for bringing the debate to the attention of the public.  Jurors are too easily persuaded that the predominant medical opinion is correct absent the information you provided in the article.  If a child death cannot otherwise be explained, juries who are heartbroken by the death of an innocent too easily accept the opinions of &quot;experts&quot; whether based on solid science or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Discover, for highlighting the debate on SBS.  On October 1, 2008, the Goudge Inquiry (Google for details) determined after a long and in-depth investigation that every SBS conviction in Ontario should be reviewed.  The diagnosis of Shaken Baby Syndrome is based on a couple of assumptions subsequent scientific discoveries have failed to support.  First is that NOTHING other than shaking can cause a certain constellation of symptoms (retinal bleeding, subdural bleeding, brain swelling).  Since SBS was proposed, it has been learned that a number of rare congenital diseases result in the same symptoms.  I suspect there are congenital or environmental causes not yet known.  A second assumption is that the last person alone with the child is an abuser.  There are known and proven cases where children have been under medical supervision for 16-72 hours before displaying alarming symptoms (seizures, labored breathing).  In Wisconsin, a baby was in hospital for 16 hours before a nurse noticed labored breathing.  The child died of &#8220;classic&#8221; SBS symptoms and the nurse was not charged with abuse.  Nevertheless, medical experts continue to testify that symptoms are immediate and devastating in fatal cases, and the last person must therefore be a perpetrator.  Confessions by true perpetrators are considered proof that those who do not confess are lying, yet almost anyone can be led to &#8220;confess&#8221; using interrogation techniques developed for hardened criminals, not young parents or grandmothers who trust the police and are trying to &#8220;help&#8221; figure out what happened to the baby.</p>
<p>Doctors know even less about infant brains than adult brains, and further research needs to be conducted.  The number of otherwise excellent parents and carers who have been accused of abuse after telling the identical &#8220;lame&#8221; story should raise alarm bells.  Just because shaking can cause the symptoms does not prove NOTHING but shaking can cause them.  A broken arm does not &#8220;prove&#8221; a person has fallen out of a tree!  Much research needs to be done to find out what is really happening in some of these cases.  I hope someone will begin to collect DNA samples from children with these symptoms.  Perhaps as DNA decoding becomes better and better, things can be discovered.  Thank you, in any case, for bringing the debate to the attention of the public.  Jurors are too easily persuaded that the predominant medical opinion is correct absent the information you provided in the article.  If a child death cannot otherwise be explained, juries who are heartbroken by the death of an innocent too easily accept the opinions of &#8220;experts&#8221; whether based on solid science or not.</p>
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