http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/10/10/eleventh-hour-a-state-of-the-art-cloning-story/ The science of futurist technologies—and an excuse to soak in sci-fi TV shows, books, movies, toys, and video games. Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:50:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/10/10/eleventh-hour-a-state-of-the-art-cloning-story/#comment-2526 Murp Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:17:07 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/10/10/eleventh-hour-a-state-of-the-art-cloning-story/#comment-2526 I hope to clone myself, and have it pay off my debt. I hope to clone myself, and have it pay off my debt.

]]> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/10/10/eleventh-hour-a-state-of-the-art-cloning-story/#comment-1116 Elmar_M Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:43:42 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/10/10/eleventh-hour-a-state-of-the-art-cloning-story/#comment-1116 It depends on how you look at it. The medical conditions of the women were not realistic to be caused by them carrying out cloned babies (why?!). This is simply anti science scare. Yes you have a small rate of success and there are many reasons why that is so. One has nothing to do with cloning, but rather is that in vitro fertilization, as it has to be done in this case, also has only a reduced success rate. The success rate of in vitro fertilization is so low actually, that they usually put multiple embroyos into the uterus, just to make sure. And even then it does not always work. Now with cloning, every embryo of course requires additional work,which means less embryos and this leads to an even lower success rate. Of course there are some other effects that come into play here, that lower the successrate even more, but it is not JUST the cloning that does that. Further, once the embryo has developed past a certain stage (e.g. so far that one can actually see it an know what it is, as in the TV show). The chance of it dying is getting exponentially smaller. So cloning science in Eleventh Hour- > Busted! It depends on how you look at it. The medical conditions of the women were not realistic to be caused by them carrying out cloned babies (why?!). This is simply anti science scare.
Yes you have a small rate of success and there are many reasons why that is so.
One has nothing to do with cloning, but rather is that in vitro fertilization, as it has to be done in this case, also has only a reduced success rate. The success rate of in vitro fertilization is so low actually, that they usually put multiple embroyos into the uterus, just to make sure. And even then it does not always work. Now with cloning, every embryo of course requires additional work,which means less embryos and this leads to an even lower success rate. Of course there are some other effects that come into play here, that lower the successrate even more, but it is not JUST the cloning that does that. Further, once the embryo has developed past a certain stage (e.g. so far that one can actually see it an know what it is, as in the TV show). The chance of it dying is getting exponentially smaller.
So cloning science in Eleventh Hour- > Busted!

]]> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/10/10/eleventh-hour-a-state-of-the-art-cloning-story/#comment-1113 Polite Dissent » Elevent Hour - Episode One “Ressurection” Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:26:31 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/10/10/eleventh-hour-a-state-of-the-art-cloning-story/#comment-1113 [...] Cloning As Science not Fiction points out in their review, the science is reasonable, and the explanation of cloning given is [...] […] Cloning As Science not Fiction points out in their review, the science is reasonable, and the explanation of cloning given is […]

]]> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/10/10/eleventh-hour-a-state-of-the-art-cloning-story/#comment-1112 Elmar_M Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:08:15 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/10/10/eleventh-hour-a-state-of-the-art-cloning-story/#comment-1112 Well, I tried to watch this, but had to stop after like 10 minutes. 1. It is typically anti- gentic- science bull. 2. The whole thing with women dying from being pregnant with the clones, was totally dumb, but once again went into the anti science direction (fear the evil cloning geneticists!!). 3. The religious undertone (again anti genetic science) especially in the church scene made me cringe. 4. So did the lead character (I think he is meant to) calling a fetus an abomination. Fringe is stupid, but at least not so obviously anti science. This show gets from me a all thumbs and my toes down. If you are one of those that are against stem cell research for religious reasons, I dont talk to you. You are beyond help. Go pray! For all that might want to be convinced that genetics are not evil go watch this: http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/health/2008/09/26/dnt.mo.stem.cell.cure.kmbc?iref=videosearch Thanks to the stupid laws in most countries, this girl had to go to China(!!!!) for this. Now go think about that show and how stupid it is in this context. Me for my part could not stand to watch it for more than a few minutes. Personally I have to wonder whether this show is meant to convert people to vote for republicans, since they are traditionally against this kind of science, while liberals are well more liberal about it. Anyway, this show is another downer. Dont watch it, if you are pro science. Well, I tried to watch this, but had to stop after like 10 minutes.
1. It is typically anti- gentic- science bull.
2. The whole thing with women dying from being pregnant with the clones, was totally dumb, but once again went into the anti science direction (fear the evil cloning geneticists!!).
3. The religious undertone (again anti genetic science) especially in the church scene made me cringe.
4. So did the lead character (I think he is meant to) calling a fetus an abomination.
Fringe is stupid, but at least not so obviously anti science.
This show gets from me a all thumbs and my toes down.
If you are one of those that are against stem cell research for religious reasons, I dont talk to you. You are beyond help. Go pray!
For all that might want to be convinced that genetics are not evil go watch this:
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/health/2008/09/26/dnt.mo.stem.cell.cure.kmbc?iref=videosearch
Thanks to the stupid laws in most countries, this girl had to go to China(!!!!) for this.
Now go think about that show and how stupid it is in this context. Me for my part could not stand to watch it for more than a few minutes.
Personally I have to wonder whether this show is meant to convert people to vote for republicans, since they are traditionally against this kind of science, while liberals are well more liberal about it.
Anyway, this show is another downer. Dont watch it, if you are pro science.

]]> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/10/10/eleventh-hour-a-state-of-the-art-cloning-story/#comment-1095 Stephen Cass Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:44:33 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/10/10/eleventh-hour-a-state-of-the-art-cloning-story/#comment-1095 Going out on a limb on the basis of one episode, but maybe the analogy would be that <em>Eleventh Hour</em> is to <em>Fringe</em> as <em>Deep Impact</em> is to <em>Armageddon</em>. Going out on a limb on the basis of one episode, but maybe the analogy would be that Eleventh Hour is to Fringe as Deep Impact is to Armageddon.

]]> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/10/10/eleventh-hour-a-state-of-the-art-cloning-story/#comment-1093 Jessica Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:44:19 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/10/10/eleventh-hour-a-state-of-the-art-cloning-story/#comment-1093 Wait, isn't that show called Fringe? :) Wait, isn’t that show called Fringe?

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