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	<title>Comments on: Eleventh Hour: They Only Freeze the Heads!</title>
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		<title>By: Kalifer Deil</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-31908</link>
		<dc:creator>Kalifer Deil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 06:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will have my head frozen when my time comes. I&#039;m an engineer and science fiction author. &quot;Flight of the Soul&quot;,  a play by yours truly, addresses most of the issues regarding life after death. It is available free in e-book form from Smashwords.com. Within 50 to 75 years we will be able to take a frozen brain and download it to a future super computer. It is not as difficult as one might think, probably a lot easier than the research and technology necessary to go to Mars.
At first a downloaded person will be a virtual person living in a virtual world but with contact with the external world. A little later an android body will be available but it will still be connected by radio to a super computer. Eventually a computer with sufficient power will fit in an android body. In less that ten years we will have computers capable of emulating the human brain so it may be that an android body and brain will be waiting for the first mind download. It will be an interesting time since there will be no cap on how far one&#039;s intelligence can be expanded. It will be limited only by resources (money) and the current state of the art. But lookout for people like Yassmin (9. above) or those more extreme. They will not take this revolution lightly. Here we will have a true eternal life, not a vague promise that religion offers to a select few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will have my head frozen when my time comes. I&#8217;m an engineer and science fiction author. &#8220;Flight of the Soul&#8221;,  a play by yours truly, addresses most of the issues regarding life after death. It is available free in e-book form from Smashwords.com. Within 50 to 75 years we will be able to take a frozen brain and download it to a future super computer. It is not as difficult as one might think, probably a lot easier than the research and technology necessary to go to Mars.<br />
At first a downloaded person will be a virtual person living in a virtual world but with contact with the external world. A little later an android body will be available but it will still be connected by radio to a super computer. Eventually a computer with sufficient power will fit in an android body. In less that ten years we will have computers capable of emulating the human brain so it may be that an android body and brain will be waiting for the first mind download. It will be an interesting time since there will be no cap on how far one&#8217;s intelligence can be expanded. It will be limited only by resources (money) and the current state of the art. But lookout for people like Yassmin (9. above) or those more extreme. They will not take this revolution lightly. Here we will have a true eternal life, not a vague promise that religion offers to a select few.</p>
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		<title>By: Today&#8217;s Fountain of Youth &#124;</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-31292</link>
		<dc:creator>Today&#8217;s Fountain of Youth &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 16:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it the ‘70’s when cryonics got folks paying big bucks to put their bodies and then later their heads (heads were cheaper) in cold storage until the day science could take it out and rejuvenate it. That [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it the ‘70’s when cryonics got folks paying big bucks to put their bodies and then later their heads (heads were cheaper) in cold storage until the day science could take it out and rejuvenate it. That [...]</p>
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		<title>By: download redtube video</title>
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		<dc:creator>download redtube video</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the advice. I found your 1st point to be most effective .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the advice. I found your 1st point to be most effective .</p>
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		<title>By: August Benesch</title>
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		<dc:creator>August Benesch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a remarkabel piece of writing you&#039;ve posted. Good share. But I am having trouble with this RSS. I could&#039;n to subscribe. Is there any one else experiencing similar issue with this feed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a remarkabel piece of writing you&#8217;ve posted. Good share. But I am having trouble with this RSS. I could&#8217;n to subscribe. Is there any one else experiencing similar issue with this feed?</p>
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		<title>By: The Connectome and Radical Life Extension &#171; Skid Roche</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-21035</link>
		<dc:creator>The Connectome and Radical Life Extension &#171; Skid Roche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] slightly off-kilter big toe and all. That costs $150,000, as opposed to a cool $80K for freezing just your head, and who has an extra seventy grand in these trying economic [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] slightly off-kilter big toe and all. That costs $150,000, as opposed to a cool $80K for freezing just your head, and who has an extra seventy grand in these trying economic [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Connectome and Radical Life Extension &#124; techyum ::</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-21031</link>
		<dc:creator>The Connectome and Radical Life Extension &#124; techyum ::</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] following the radical life extension community lately, the movement no longer seems to be toward freezing your head, which costs a cool $80,000 compared to $150,000 for freezing your whole body (pot belly, irritable [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] following the radical life extension community lately, the movement no longer seems to be toward freezing your head, which costs a cool $80,000 compared to $150,000 for freezing your whole body (pot belly, irritable [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vilma Eberheart</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-18723</link>
		<dc:creator>Vilma Eberheart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for share quite good informations. Your online is great.I am impressed by the details that you have on this weblog. It shows how properly you comprehend this topic. Bookmarked this specific web page, will arrive again for a lot more. You, my buddy, awesome! I discovered just the material I currently explored everywhere and just wasn&#039;t able to uncover. What a perfect website. Like this web page your web site is one of my new much-loved.I like this information shown and it has given me some sort of ideas to have success for some cause, so maintain up the superior work!</description>
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		<title>By: That’s a Relief: Ice Cream Doesn’t Cause Brain Damage &#124; Discoblog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-18677</link>
		<dc:creator>That’s a Relief: Ice Cream Doesn’t Cause Brain Damage &#124; Discoblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 04:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] content: Science Not Fiction: Eleventh Hour: They Only Freeze the Heads! Discover Magazine: The Art &amp; Science of Slicing up a Human Brain Discoblog: NCBI ROFL: I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: That’s a Relief: Ice Cream Probably Doesn’t Cause Brain Damage &#124; Discoblog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-18348</link>
		<dc:creator>That’s a Relief: Ice Cream Probably Doesn’t Cause Brain Damage &#124; Discoblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] content: Science Not Fiction: Eleventh Hour: They Only Freeze the Heads! Discover Magazine: The Art &amp; Science of Slicing up a Human Brain Discoblog: NCBI ROFL: I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Yassmin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-10422</link>
		<dc:creator>Yassmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this Practice is unethical to the  point where the scientists should be put on trial. Its sickening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this Practice is unethical to the  point where the scientists should be put on trial. Its sickening.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-10403</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone else think of the cartoon &quot;Futurama&quot;? All the re-animated heads in jars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else think of the cartoon &#8220;Futurama&#8221;? All the re-animated heads in jars?</p>
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		<title>By: Van Armenya</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-9894</link>
		<dc:creator>Van Armenya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethylene glycol will fry his future kidneys to bits. Will need a couple of kidneys as spare parts, too.  Severed heads cannot be re-wired to a cloned body. Also, who said we can clone a body? LOL   The chances of success is zero but there is a chance that at thawing the brain will fell pain from the severed neck&#039;s free nerve endings and the scientists will be haunted forever at the eyes looking helplessly at them for 5 seconds before dying off, again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethylene glycol will fry his future kidneys to bits. Will need a couple of kidneys as spare parts, too.  Severed heads cannot be re-wired to a cloned body. Also, who said we can clone a body? LOL   The chances of success is zero but there is a chance that at thawing the brain will fell pain from the severed neck&#8217;s free nerve endings and the scientists will be haunted forever at the eyes looking helplessly at them for 5 seconds before dying off, again.</p>
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		<title>By: Eleventh Hour: Hydrogen Sulfide, A Stinky Way To Hibernate &#124; Science Not Fiction &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-3039</link>
		<dc:creator>Eleventh Hour: Hydrogen Sulfide, A Stinky Way To Hibernate &#124; Science Not Fiction &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] slowed metabolic rate. For that we&#8217;ll still need either a generation ship or straight up cryonics. But for shorter, but still tedious,  journeys between planets, traveling in hibernation may be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] slowed metabolic rate. For that we&#8217;ll still need either a generation ship or straight up cryonics. But for shorter, but still tedious,  journeys between planets, traveling in hibernation may be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Where New Yorker short stories and science collide! &#171; The Oyster&#8217;s Garter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-2134</link>
		<dc:creator>Where New Yorker short stories and science collide! &#171; The Oyster&#8217;s Garter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might also enjoy his take on getting a head in cryogenics. A little research reveals that it’s basic economics: Head-only freezing can cost [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] might also enjoy his take on getting a head in cryogenics. A little research reveals that it’s basic economics: Head-only freezing can cost [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Selene</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-2081</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are your chances of survival if you are buried in the ground to rot, or are burned to ash?  I don&#039;t know about you, but I&#039;d choose a 1 in 400 chance over a zero chance any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are your chances of survival if you are buried in the ground to rot, or are burned to ash?  I don&#8217;t know about you, but I&#8217;d choose a 1 in 400 chance over a zero chance any day.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Glover</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-2063</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Glover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All of which does raise some questions for the great colony ships of SciFi yore. So many plots rely on some sort of suspension of animation to keep people alive and young for their multi-century travels across space. Freezing them, for reanimation later, doesn’t seem the best plan.&quot;

Of course, you clearly wouldn&#039;t attempt such a voyage until the technology to revive the crew (and done totally automated, at that), probably using suspension techniques even better than today&#039;s, also existed and was well demonstrated...

And indeed, I might expect that ability and the capacity for limited interstellar travel, to occur at roughly the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All of which does raise some questions for the great colony ships of SciFi yore. So many plots rely on some sort of suspension of animation to keep people alive and young for their multi-century travels across space. Freezing them, for reanimation later, doesn’t seem the best plan.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, you clearly wouldn&#8217;t attempt such a voyage until the technology to revive the crew (and done totally automated, at that), probably using suspension techniques even better than today&#8217;s, also existed and was well demonstrated&#8230;</p>
<p>And indeed, I might expect that ability and the capacity for limited interstellar travel, to occur at roughly the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Best</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2008/11/14/eleventh-hour-they-only-freeze-the-heads/comment-page-1/#comment-2062</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Best</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is correct to say that the technology to revive
cryopreserved patients has yet to be developed, but
that is not the same as having &quot;no clue&quot; about the 
technology required. There are many &quot;clues&quot;, about
what future technologies may be able to do, which
is why many cryonicists ascribe a very positive
probability to revival. 

  Future revival will be contingent upon technology
that can cure all diseases, rejuvenate people to 
a youthful condition and repair injuries caused by
the cryopreservation process. Diseases are not 
magic, they are mechanical damage caused by 
damaging agents of various kinds. If damage due
to disease and aging can be repaired on the molecular
level, then damage due to cryoprotectant toxicity
and even freezing could potentially be repaired.
Stem cells very probably will be useful in 
replacement of organs and tissues that cannot
be repaired on the macromolecular level. 

  A detailed explanation of the science 
behind cryonics procedures can be found at:

http://www.cryonics.org/reports/Scientific_Justification.pdf

  You cite a paper which calculates the probability
of cryonics working as being no better than 15%. But in 
the appendix of that paper another scientist calculates
the probability of success to be between 13 and 77% --
probabilities more in line with the estimates of 
most cryonicists. 

  The Cryonics Institute offers whole body cryopreservation
(including vitrification perfusion to prevent ice formation
in the brain) for as little as $28,000. As a matter of 
policy, CI does not offer a neurocryopreservation service,
unlike Alcor.

  Anyone interested in more than the superficial, dismissive
coverage of cryonics that you present should read the 
Wikipedia entry on cryonics, or Google &quot;cryonics faq&quot;
to get answers to the most Frequently Asked Questions
on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is correct to say that the technology to revive<br />
cryopreserved patients has yet to be developed, but<br />
that is not the same as having &#8220;no clue&#8221; about the<br />
technology required. There are many &#8220;clues&#8221;, about<br />
what future technologies may be able to do, which<br />
is why many cryonicists ascribe a very positive<br />
probability to revival. </p>
<p>  Future revival will be contingent upon technology<br />
that can cure all diseases, rejuvenate people to<br />
a youthful condition and repair injuries caused by<br />
the cryopreservation process. Diseases are not<br />
magic, they are mechanical damage caused by<br />
damaging agents of various kinds. If damage due<br />
to disease and aging can be repaired on the molecular<br />
level, then damage due to cryoprotectant toxicity<br />
and even freezing could potentially be repaired.<br />
Stem cells very probably will be useful in<br />
replacement of organs and tissues that cannot<br />
be repaired on the macromolecular level. </p>
<p>  A detailed explanation of the science<br />
behind cryonics procedures can be found at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cryonics.org/reports/Scientific_Justification.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cryonics.org/reports/Scientific_Justification.pdf</a></p>
<p>  You cite a paper which calculates the probability<br />
of cryonics working as being no better than 15%. But in<br />
the appendix of that paper another scientist calculates<br />
the probability of success to be between 13 and 77% &#8211;<br />
probabilities more in line with the estimates of<br />
most cryonicists. </p>
<p>  The Cryonics Institute offers whole body cryopreservation<br />
(including vitrification perfusion to prevent ice formation<br />
in the brain) for as little as $28,000. As a matter of<br />
policy, CI does not offer a neurocryopreservation service,<br />
unlike Alcor.</p>
<p>  Anyone interested in more than the superficial, dismissive<br />
coverage of cryonics that you present should read the<br />
Wikipedia entry on cryonics, or Google &#8220;cryonics faq&#8221;<br />
to get answers to the most Frequently Asked Questions<br />
on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: News : Eleventh Hour: They Only Freeze the Heads!</title>
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		<dc:creator>News : Eleventh Hour: They Only Freeze the Heads!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so good at this now that the company pretty much claims the preserved tissue will last forever.Read More...    Published Friday, November 14, 2008 5:38 AM by clementlawyer Tags: Cryonics, Alcor Life [...]</description>
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