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	<title>Comments on: X-Prize Foundation Wants To Make Tricorders a Reality</title>
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		<title>By: Wilbert Remeder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilbert Remeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have Sarcoidosus (sp?).

My diagnosis took over 6 months, several specialists, and much pain and anxiety.

A device such as this would comoe up with it quicker, until it looked at my history.

You see, Sarcoid is typically diagnosed in young African American women.  I&#039;m a middle aged caucasian man.

So until it took an intuitive leap, it&#039;s mundane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have Sarcoidosus (sp?).</p>
<p>My diagnosis took over 6 months, several specialists, and much pain and anxiety.</p>
<p>A device such as this would comoe up with it quicker, until it looked at my history.</p>
<p>You see, Sarcoid is typically diagnosed in young African American women.  I&#8217;m a middle aged caucasian man.</p>
<p>So until it took an intuitive leap, it&#8217;s mundane.</p>
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		<title>By: GrayGaffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrayGaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine recently suffered a ruptured appendix. His doctors took a week to arrive at that diagnosis. By which time his abdomen was so riddled with sepsis they could not operate. He had to endure 3 months of extreme antibiotics before they went in the do the surgical part. He is very lucky to have survived what should have been a two day hospitalization and short recuperation.

This is not a rare organ failure. And Seattle is not exactly the back of beyond, medically speaking. I was aghast that they took so long. He described his initial symptoms to me during a phone call after his surgery, and it took me only 5 minutes on teh Google to find a diagnostic aid that recommended immediate hospitalization for a ruptured appendix based on just what he told me.

Back in the 1980&#039;s I studied Expert Systems in my CS MSc classes. Medical diagnostics was one of the fields described as most eminently suitable for rule-based systems based on domain expert input during construction. I don&#039;t mean simplistic decision tree diagnostics, I&#039;m talking about  fully associative rule-based reasoning systems. It was possible to do that even then on the early 8088 based IBM PC. I have to believe then that it is only this litigious society that has delayed the adoption of such technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine recently suffered a ruptured appendix. His doctors took a week to arrive at that diagnosis. By which time his abdomen was so riddled with sepsis they could not operate. He had to endure 3 months of extreme antibiotics before they went in the do the surgical part. He is very lucky to have survived what should have been a two day hospitalization and short recuperation.</p>
<p>This is not a rare organ failure. And Seattle is not exactly the back of beyond, medically speaking. I was aghast that they took so long. He described his initial symptoms to me during a phone call after his surgery, and it took me only 5 minutes on teh Google to find a diagnostic aid that recommended immediate hospitalization for a ruptured appendix based on just what he told me.</p>
<p>Back in the 1980&#8242;s I studied Expert Systems in my CS MSc classes. Medical diagnostics was one of the fields described as most eminently suitable for rule-based systems based on domain expert input during construction. I don&#8217;t mean simplistic decision tree diagnostics, I&#8217;m talking about  fully associative rule-based reasoning systems. It was possible to do that even then on the early 8088 based IBM PC. I have to believe then that it is only this litigious society that has delayed the adoption of such technology.</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 14:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the complex system that the  human body is and all the social, political, economic etc. pressures that could influence a diagnosis I&#039;m surprised that doctors could ever get it right, and certainly not on the first attempt.  I think that even more important than a computerized diagnosis would be the ability for these gadgets to collect data for real doctors, like a black box system for the body.  Unfortunately, I would guess we are probably about a decade away from getting our current medical data off of dead trees and there are plenty of social, political, and economic roadblocks to those efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the complex system that the  human body is and all the social, political, economic etc. pressures that could influence a diagnosis I&#8217;m surprised that doctors could ever get it right, and certainly not on the first attempt.  I think that even more important than a computerized diagnosis would be the ability for these gadgets to collect data for real doctors, like a black box system for the body.  Unfortunately, I would guess we are probably about a decade away from getting our current medical data off of dead trees and there are plenty of social, political, and economic roadblocks to those efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 05:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter Bodmer, in &lt;i&gt;The Book of Man&lt;/i&gt;, devotes some space to the diagnosis of obscure diseases. One such is Huntington&#039;s chorea (now known as Huntington&#039;s disease.) Folksinger Woody Guthrie was perhaps the best-known victim of Huntington&#039;s. On page 73, Bodmer quotes from the testimony given to Congress in 1976 hearings on establishing a commission on the disease:

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&quot;We heard of people who had spent their life savings trying to get proper diagnosis of the disease; of a seventy-six-year-old woman, with no social security, who had to look after middle-aged sons who were so badly affected they had to wear nappies all the time; of people visiting relatives in psychiatric hospitals, hearing them screaming and seeing them tied up; of one woman who spent $26,000 on medical bills for thirty-one different doctors before anyone recognized her condition; of families that had been decimated by Huntington&#039;s; and of men and women who lost jobs because they were thought to be drunk. It certainly put Huntington&#039;s in context.&quot;
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Yes. And part of that context, it must be said, is the abysmal quality of diagnosis provided. No one should have to visit thirty-one doctors to get their disease properly identified, no matter how rare that disease is (provided that it is not totally unknown). And Huntington&#039;s chorea is not that rare; it affects five out of every 100,000 births. It was described in 1872, and Woody Guthrie began to show its effects in 1951. Such defective diagnosis is not a problem specific to Huntington&#039;s chorea; it is a systemic and persistent shortcoming of the American medical establishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter Bodmer, in <i>The Book of Man</i>, devotes some space to the diagnosis of obscure diseases. One such is Huntington&#8217;s chorea (now known as Huntington&#8217;s disease.) Folksinger Woody Guthrie was perhaps the best-known victim of Huntington&#8217;s. On page 73, Bodmer quotes from the testimony given to Congress in 1976 hearings on establishing a commission on the disease:</p>
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&#8220;We heard of people who had spent their life savings trying to get proper diagnosis of the disease; of a seventy-six-year-old woman, with no social security, who had to look after middle-aged sons who were so badly affected they had to wear nappies all the time; of people visiting relatives in psychiatric hospitals, hearing them screaming and seeing them tied up; of one woman who spent $26,000 on medical bills for thirty-one different doctors before anyone recognized her condition; of families that had been decimated by Huntington&#8217;s; and of men and women who lost jobs because they were thought to be drunk. It certainly put Huntington&#8217;s in context.&#8221;
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<p>Yes. And part of that context, it must be said, is the abysmal quality of diagnosis provided. No one should have to visit thirty-one doctors to get their disease properly identified, no matter how rare that disease is (provided that it is not totally unknown). And Huntington&#8217;s chorea is not that rare; it affects five out of every 100,000 births. It was described in 1872, and Woody Guthrie began to show its effects in 1951. Such defective diagnosis is not a problem specific to Huntington&#8217;s chorea; it is a systemic and persistent shortcoming of the American medical establishment.</p>
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		<title>By: Lusepuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lusepuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rhacodactylus My sister is only alive today because she correctly diagnosed herself where the doctor just told her it was *something nervous&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rhacodactylus My sister is only alive today because she correctly diagnosed herself where the doctor just told her it was *something nervous&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhacodactylus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhacodactylus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure doctors are excited about this, another great way for patients to come in having already misdiagnosed themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure doctors are excited about this, another great way for patients to come in having already misdiagnosed themselves.</p>
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