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	<title>Comments on: You Fall in Love Because Your Brain is a Jellyfish, Lizard, and Mouse Ice Cream Cone</title>
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		<title>By: Shelli Picariello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelli Picariello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is getting a little more subjective, but I much rather the Zune Marketplace. The user interface is multi-colored, has more sparkle, and some great characteristics like &#039;Mixview&#039; which let you rapidly see associated cds, songs, or other users associated to what you&#039;re playing. Clicking on one of them will center on that item, and one more set of &quot;friends&quot; will come into view, allowing you to navigate around exploring by the same artists, songs, or users. Speaking of users, the Zune &quot;Social&quot; can be excellent fun, letting you locate other people with shared tastes and becoming buddies with them. You then can listen to a playlist produced based on an combinations of what all your friends are listening to, which is also enjoyable. Individuals worried with privacy will be relieved to know you&#039;ll be able to prevent the public from seeing your personal listening routines should you so choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is getting a little more subjective, but I much rather the Zune Marketplace. The user interface is multi-colored, has more sparkle, and some great characteristics like &#8216;Mixview&#8217; which let you rapidly see associated cds, songs, or other users associated to what you&#8217;re playing. Clicking on one of them will center on that item, and one more set of &#8220;friends&#8221; will come into view, allowing you to navigate around exploring by the same artists, songs, or users. Speaking of users, the Zune &#8220;Social&#8221; can be excellent fun, letting you locate other people with shared tastes and becoming buddies with them. You then can listen to a playlist produced based on an combinations of what all your friends are listening to, which is also enjoyable. Individuals worried with privacy will be relieved to know you&#8217;ll be able to prevent the public from seeing your personal listening routines should you so choose.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Munkittrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Munkittrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 01:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turil, thanks for your commentary and your addenda to my larger point. Huge fan of Reddit and actually pretty psyched to know I ended up on a subreddit. Popularizing science is a tough, fine, fickle line between too simple and too complex. I really do appreciate the comments, particularly yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turil, thanks for your commentary and your addenda to my larger point. Huge fan of Reddit and actually pretty psyched to know I ended up on a subreddit. Popularizing science is a tough, fine, fickle line between too simple and too complex. I really do appreciate the comments, particularly yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Turil&#039;s assessment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Turil&#8217;s assessment.</p>
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		<title>By: Turil</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2010/08/19/you-fall-in-love-because-your-brain-is-a-jellyfish-lizard-and-mouse-ice-cream-cone/#comment-3075</link>
		<dc:creator>Turil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, as a comment on the commentary, all of these comments appear to come straight from Reddit (the Cogsci subreddit, where this article was linked).  Which, while full of highly intelligent people, is also full of people with people with lots of repressed emotion, including a lot of that anxiety that comes with having a higher functioning ape-and-probably-several-other-species-such-as-dolphin-and-parrot-brain. :-)

Redditors are kind of famous for being really uptight about creativity and metaphor and spiritual and artistic approaches to life.  With a lot of them (especially the ones with more free time on their hands), anything that veers away from extreme black-or-white thinking about reality makes their higher functioning brain bits tell the lower functioning brain bits to fight-or-flight.

Ideally, we can all take what others write with a grain of salt, while being open to the idea that other people have different opinions that are equally valid and important, even if we don&#039;t share them, or have the ability to focus on them at the moment.  For example, there is a huge problem with people getting confused about the term &quot;designed&quot; that involves a whole lot of very deep inquiry into free will, consciousness, and system&#039;s theory.  But that&#039;s not something that you, Kyle, are probably ready to address in your work right now, especially since you&#039;re focused on some other very interesting stuff that&#039;s also quite important.  So maybe you can admit that &quot;design&quot; is a somewhat controversial term, while saying that it seemed to be the most appropriate word for your overall goals of helping people understand the very directional structure of Evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, as a comment on the commentary, all of these comments appear to come straight from Reddit (the Cogsci subreddit, where this article was linked).  Which, while full of highly intelligent people, is also full of people with people with lots of repressed emotion, including a lot of that anxiety that comes with having a higher functioning ape-and-probably-several-other-species-such-as-dolphin-and-parrot-brain. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Redditors are kind of famous for being really uptight about creativity and metaphor and spiritual and artistic approaches to life.  With a lot of them (especially the ones with more free time on their hands), anything that veers away from extreme black-or-white thinking about reality makes their higher functioning brain bits tell the lower functioning brain bits to fight-or-flight.</p>
<p>Ideally, we can all take what others write with a grain of salt, while being open to the idea that other people have different opinions that are equally valid and important, even if we don&#8217;t share them, or have the ability to focus on them at the moment.  For example, there is a huge problem with people getting confused about the term &#8220;designed&#8221; that involves a whole lot of very deep inquiry into free will, consciousness, and system&#8217;s theory.  But that&#8217;s not something that you, Kyle, are probably ready to address in your work right now, especially since you&#8217;re focused on some other very interesting stuff that&#8217;s also quite important.  So maybe you can admit that &#8220;design&#8221; is a somewhat controversial term, while saying that it seemed to be the most appropriate word for your overall goals of helping people understand the very directional structure of Evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Turil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Turil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;lizard brain&quot; is NOT the part responsible for social stress.  No lizard gets panicky in front of an audience. :-)  It&#039;s the social brain (mouse brain) and primate brain (with it&#039;s future thinking skills) that gets worried about what people might think of what they have to say.  So it&#039;s illogical to chalk it up to our lizard bits when it comes to things like social anxiety.  Yes, the lizard brain controls the chemicals that prep you for fight-or-flight, but it&#039;s acting under the direction of the mouse and primate brain in the case of performance anxiety.

So it&#039;s the other way around from what you suggest.  The lizard brain doesn&#039;t &quot;hijack&quot; the higher functions, the lizard brain is itself being hijacked by the higher functions. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;lizard brain&#8221; is NOT the part responsible for social stress.  No lizard gets panicky in front of an audience. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   It&#8217;s the social brain (mouse brain) and primate brain (with it&#8217;s future thinking skills) that gets worried about what people might think of what they have to say.  So it&#8217;s illogical to chalk it up to our lizard bits when it comes to things like social anxiety.  Yes, the lizard brain controls the chemicals that prep you for fight-or-flight, but it&#8217;s acting under the direction of the mouse and primate brain in the case of performance anxiety.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s the other way around from what you suggest.  The lizard brain doesn&#8217;t &#8220;hijack&#8221; the higher functions, the lizard brain is itself being hijacked by the higher functions. </p>
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		<title>By: Sonali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle, these are great criticisms. You could really draw from them and become a better writer.  Go with it.  Sincerely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, these are great criticisms. You could really draw from them and become a better writer.  Go with it.  Sincerely.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kyle

Had &quot;build&quot; been the active verb I would not have a quibble as the various natural phenomena you enumerate are commonly characterized as having built over time and overall &quot;directionless building&quot; is a reasonable characterization of stochastic processes, unfortunately in this article (and I keep my remarks purely outside of the quotations you have used) evolution is variously characterized as having &quot;poorly designed&quot; or having engineered something: &quot;[. . .]brains were not so poorly engineered.&quot;

These are direct quotations, though I would hope they would be apparent to a critical reader. See: paragraph 2 and also the second paragraph from the end.

It would be awkward and strange to characterize a mountain as having &quot;poorly designed&quot; it&#039;s north face, just as it would be very odd to characterize the Colorado River as having &quot;engineered&quot; the Grand Canyon. I work purely from the phrasing of this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kyle</p>
<p>Had &#8220;build&#8221; been the active verb I would not have a quibble as the various natural phenomena you enumerate are commonly characterized as having built over time and overall &#8220;directionless building&#8221; is a reasonable characterization of stochastic processes, unfortunately in this article (and I keep my remarks purely outside of the quotations you have used) evolution is variously characterized as having &#8220;poorly designed&#8221; or having engineered something: &#8220;[. . .]brains were not so poorly engineered.&#8221;</p>
<p>These are direct quotations, though I would hope they would be apparent to a critical reader. See: paragraph 2 and also the second paragraph from the end.</p>
<p>It would be awkward and strange to characterize a mountain as having &#8220;poorly designed&#8221; it&#8217;s north face, just as it would be very odd to characterize the Colorado River as having &#8220;engineered&#8221; the Grand Canyon. I work purely from the phrasing of this article.</p>
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		<title>By: JAM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kyle - Here some quotes from this article:

&quot;Every aspect of higher thought is a result of the ape brain. Tool use, sympathy, group hunting, symbolic recognition, among many others.&quot;

&quot;...our advanced, intricate, special gray-matter is spectacularly inefficient, poorly designed, and ill-suited to many of our daily needs. On the flipside, evolution’s Frankensteinian cobbling together of various animal brains...&quot;

&quot;Feel that pebble in your shoe? Thank a jellyfish. Ever duck before a rogue Frisbee collides with your noggin? Thank a lizard. Remember where you left your keys? Thank a mouse.&quot;

&quot;Human beings are the peak of evolution, right?&quot;

The first three were to answer your question. The fourth one was from me, and the answer to that last quote is... no. We are neither the &quot;most&quot; evolved nor are we the most plentiful on earth, but we are definitely the most arrogant.

You&#039;re a careless writer. Elephants, dolphins, etc. don&#039;t have ape brains and calling it an ape brain is just dumb and inaccurate. When you were telling us to thank jellyfish, lizards and mice, you forgot the part about the time machine; all of the current versions of those animals came from the same ancestors (or concestors, if you want) as us. Our brains were not designed, are not actually little animal brains on top of one another, and evolution does not, in any way, resemble Frankenstein.

To the people who do know about what you&#039;re explaining, this article is just poor. To the people that don&#039;t, your implications are misleading.

You&#039;re a careless writer using careless analogies and metaphors.

Go read Not Exactly Rocket Science for an example of how to write about complicated things in an accessible way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kyle &#8211; Here some quotes from this article:</p>
<p>&#8220;Every aspect of higher thought is a result of the ape brain. Tool use, sympathy, group hunting, symbolic recognition, among many others.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;our advanced, intricate, special gray-matter is spectacularly inefficient, poorly designed, and ill-suited to many of our daily needs. On the flipside, evolution’s Frankensteinian cobbling together of various animal brains&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Feel that pebble in your shoe? Thank a jellyfish. Ever duck before a rogue Frisbee collides with your noggin? Thank a lizard. Remember where you left your keys? Thank a mouse.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Human beings are the peak of evolution, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>The first three were to answer your question. The fourth one was from me, and the answer to that last quote is&#8230; no. We are neither the &#8220;most&#8221; evolved nor are we the most plentiful on earth, but we are definitely the most arrogant.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a careless writer. Elephants, dolphins, etc. don&#8217;t have ape brains and calling it an ape brain is just dumb and inaccurate. When you were telling us to thank jellyfish, lizards and mice, you forgot the part about the time machine; all of the current versions of those animals came from the same ancestors (or concestors, if you want) as us. Our brains were not designed, are not actually little animal brains on top of one another, and evolution does not, in any way, resemble Frankenstein.</p>
<p>To the people who do know about what you&#8217;re explaining, this article is just poor. To the people that don&#8217;t, your implications are misleading.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a careless writer using careless analogies and metaphors.</p>
<p>Go read Not Exactly Rocket Science for an example of how to write about complicated things in an accessible way.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Munkittrick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2010/08/19/you-fall-in-love-because-your-brain-is-a-jellyfish-lizard-and-mouse-ice-cream-cone/#comment-3070</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Munkittrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve Says: Did you read the &quot;Thinking Ape&quot; paragraph? The first sentence: &quot;Great apes, elephants, dolphins, some pinnipeds and maybe parrots can reason out solutions to problems and abstract situations.&quot; Ape brain is shorthand for discussion purposes.

@Maxp: I agree, evolution is volition-less, but that does not mean it cannot &quot;build&quot; something. Physics and chemistry work to &quot;build&quot; stalagmites and stalactites in the same sense. The most figurative language, describing evolution as a &quot;cheapskate and tinkerer,&quot; was from David Linden, a professor of neuroscience at Johns Hopkins. It means that if something works, the forces of natural selection will preserve it. I&#039;m not implying a &quot;designer&quot; anywhere.

@Xalem: Where do I say the modern versions of these animals are our direct ancestors?

@JAM: Isn&#039;t it funny how the critiques seem unable to provide direct quotations? It&#039;s as if they merely skimmed the article and formed an opinion without actually perusing the piece. But for the sake of clarity, I&#039;ve made some minor adjustments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve Says: Did you read the &#8220;Thinking Ape&#8221; paragraph? The first sentence: &#8220;Great apes, elephants, dolphins, some pinnipeds and maybe parrots can reason out solutions to problems and abstract situations.&#8221; Ape brain is shorthand for discussion purposes.</p>
<p>@Maxp: I agree, evolution is volition-less, but that does not mean it cannot &#8220;build&#8221; something. Physics and chemistry work to &#8220;build&#8221; stalagmites and stalactites in the same sense. The most figurative language, describing evolution as a &#8220;cheapskate and tinkerer,&#8221; was from David Linden, a professor of neuroscience at Johns Hopkins. It means that if something works, the forces of natural selection will preserve it. I&#8217;m not implying a &#8220;designer&#8221; anywhere.</p>
<p>@Xalem: Where do I say the modern versions of these animals are our direct ancestors?</p>
<p>@JAM: Isn&#8217;t it funny how the critiques seem unable to provide direct quotations? It&#8217;s as if they merely skimmed the article and formed an opinion without actually perusing the piece. But for the sake of clarity, I&#8217;ve made some minor adjustments.</p>
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		<title>By: JAM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, just a quick analysis: out of 4 comments 3 are making very valid complaints about your (mis)treatment and (mis)representation of science and evolutionary theory. The positive review likes the picture. This is your approval rating, and a good cross section of the people on either side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, just a quick analysis: out of 4 comments 3 are making very valid complaints about your (mis)treatment and (mis)representation of science and evolutionary theory. The positive review likes the picture. This is your approval rating, and a good cross section of the people on either side.</p>
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