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	<title>Comments on: Protecting Aliens From Us—an E.T. Bill of Rights</title>
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		<title>By: steveculbreth</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveculbreth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Prime-directive is a term rarely used these days. We should realize the importance of this issue, as we use the meaning of this term in societies terms of adoption. The point is ; The mother can&#039;t contact the sibling. When baby grows-up he can initiate contact, other-wise he could be traumatized. Just to be able to understand the WHY of their presence and just who they are will transform humanity.They will continue to travel to a place in time where contact is possible.                &quot; The evolution of  Ones self is Our greatest achievement&quot;......Rockhead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Prime-directive is a term rarely used these days. We should realize the importance of this issue, as we use the meaning of this term in societies terms of adoption. The point is ; The mother can&#8217;t contact the sibling. When baby grows-up he can initiate contact, other-wise he could be traumatized. Just to be able to understand the WHY of their presence and just who they are will transform humanity.They will continue to travel to a place in time where contact is possible.                &#8221; The evolution of  Ones self is Our greatest achievement&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;Rockhead.</p>
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		<title>By: blogger drafts an extraterrestrial bill of rights &#187; weird things</title>
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		<dc:creator>blogger drafts an extraterrestrial bill of rights &#187; weird things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 14:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Munkittrick of Science Not Fiction decided that it could be a fun exercise to create a draft of rules for how we should deal with alien species, especially if we get to make first contact in person, rather than via radio or laser [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Munkittrick of Science Not Fiction decided that it could be a fun exercise to create a draft of rules for how we should deal with alien species, especially if we get to make first contact in person, rather than via radio or laser [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In principal its a good idea. Such measures will improve our own laws and actions to bring a level of equal rights to humans as well as  ET. Just to be sure there is also to be a Law where no &quot;one species&quot; can act in dominance towards the other. However, earth born humans are the planets &quot;sovereign&quot; species and Earth is not up for grabs by any other Galactic individual or group. This needs to be recognized in all areas of the Earth: Both our resources and people, business and earth bound creatures and Ecosystems etc. Once that is agreed upon &quot;they&quot; have right of entry/visit/domicilety (if that’s a word)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In principal its a good idea. Such measures will improve our own laws and actions to bring a level of equal rights to humans as well as  ET. Just to be sure there is also to be a Law where no &#8220;one species&#8221; can act in dominance towards the other. However, earth born humans are the planets &#8220;sovereign&#8221; species and Earth is not up for grabs by any other Galactic individual or group. This needs to be recognized in all areas of the Earth: Both our resources and people, business and earth bound creatures and Ecosystems etc. Once that is agreed upon &#8220;they&#8221; have right of entry/visit/domicilety (if that’s a word)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: vincentx</title>
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		<dc:creator>vincentx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 00:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good article</p>
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		<title>By: scribbler</title>
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		<dc:creator>scribbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our &quot;first contact&quot; with any aliens will prolly be an earth sized particle wave with just enough energy to wipe out anything human...

That or the technological equivalent of &quot;free blankets&quot;...

Anyone read up on &quot;How to serve man!&quot;???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our &#8220;first contact&#8221; with any aliens will prolly be an earth sized particle wave with just enough energy to wipe out anything human&#8230;</p>
<p>That or the technological equivalent of &#8220;free blankets&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyone read up on &#8220;How to serve man!&#8221;???</p>
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		<title>By: Dante The Canadian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dante The Canadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All speculation.  All these books by writers and scientists and theologins and philosophers are all speculative as to how people will react if Aliens openly make themselves known to us.    We do not know how our species will react.   Our species will not react in the collective.  There will be mass hysteria, groups wanting to welcome the aliens, groups wanting to bomb the aliens and take them over, and everyone else in between.   

Think of an ET who is so technilogically advanced as to be able to travel here over vast distances.  Think of how advanced a creature they must be.   They must, firstly, have survived themselves as a species.  They must have stopped going to war with themselves and stopped fighting and killing themselves.   Their collective energies spent on the advancement of science and space exploration, either because they were forced to do so due to potential conditions at home that forced them to look outside their home planet for colonizing opportunities, or because they had the time and energy to spend towards such enterprises instead of self serving enterprises.   

So, if the aliens that come to earth are here looking for a new home, they may be less than friendly and curious to get to know us better.   If they are scientists and forthright thinking as a species, they may look at us as the primitive animal much like how we view Chimps and Apes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All speculation.  All these books by writers and scientists and theologins and philosophers are all speculative as to how people will react if Aliens openly make themselves known to us.    We do not know how our species will react.   Our species will not react in the collective.  There will be mass hysteria, groups wanting to welcome the aliens, groups wanting to bomb the aliens and take them over, and everyone else in between.   </p>
<p>Think of an ET who is so technilogically advanced as to be able to travel here over vast distances.  Think of how advanced a creature they must be.   They must, firstly, have survived themselves as a species.  They must have stopped going to war with themselves and stopped fighting and killing themselves.   Their collective energies spent on the advancement of science and space exploration, either because they were forced to do so due to potential conditions at home that forced them to look outside their home planet for colonizing opportunities, or because they had the time and energy to spend towards such enterprises instead of self serving enterprises.   </p>
<p>So, if the aliens that come to earth are here looking for a new home, they may be less than friendly and curious to get to know us better.   If they are scientists and forthright thinking as a species, they may look at us as the primitive animal much like how we view Chimps and Apes.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 16:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigby wrote: &lt;i&gt;&quot;I remember a science fiction story when I was youngster — during the Lincoln administration — that dealt with this. Someone sees what looks like a really big ant, like hamster sized, he smashes it with a convenient book only to find the dead little critter is wearing tool belt with some fairly sophisticated stuff in it. He takes the remains to the local white-coat guys and they show him a room with jars full of smashed dead mega-ants with tool belts. Oops. First reaction is always, it’s a bug, kill it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The story was by Howard Fast, author of &lt;i&gt;Spartacus&lt;/i&gt;, and called, appropriately, &quot;The Large Ant.&quot; Very good it is. I can also recommend &quot;The First Men&quot; and &quot;The General Zapped an Angel,&quot; which I read in the same collection.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;If the aliens have any kind of smarts at all, and have peaceful intent, they’ll make first contact from a distance.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

True, but the rules are still needed for eventual direct contact &#8212; assuming that&#039;s possible. (If they breathe chlorine, or get chilly at 40&#176;C, they&#039;ll probably interact only with specialists.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigby wrote: <i>&#8220;I remember a science fiction story when I was youngster — during the Lincoln administration — that dealt with this. Someone sees what looks like a really big ant, like hamster sized, he smashes it with a convenient book only to find the dead little critter is wearing tool belt with some fairly sophisticated stuff in it. He takes the remains to the local white-coat guys and they show him a room with jars full of smashed dead mega-ants with tool belts. Oops. First reaction is always, it’s a bug, kill it.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The story was by Howard Fast, author of <i>Spartacus</i>, and called, appropriately, &#8220;The Large Ant.&#8221; Very good it is. I can also recommend &#8220;The First Men&#8221; and &#8220;The General Zapped an Angel,&#8221; which I read in the same collection.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;If the aliens have any kind of smarts at all, and have peaceful intent, they’ll make first contact from a distance.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>True, but the rules are still needed for eventual direct contact &mdash; assuming that&#8217;s possible. (If they breathe chlorine, or get chilly at 40&deg;C, they&#8217;ll probably interact only with specialists.)</p>
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		<title>By: ChH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 06:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara, food, medicine and water are goods, not rights.
Rights are what governments and other people are normally not allowed to do to you - such as (nominally in the USA):
- killing, enslaving or stealing from you.
- preventing you from speaking, publishing, worshiping, petitioning or gathering with others.
- confiscating your firearms.
- forcing you to put up soldiers in your house.
- looking through your private stuff.
(etc etc)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara, food, medicine and water are goods, not rights.<br />
Rights are what governments and other people are normally not allowed to do to you &#8211; such as (nominally in the USA):<br />
- killing, enslaving or stealing from you.<br />
- preventing you from speaking, publishing, worshiping, petitioning or gathering with others.<br />
- confiscating your firearms.<br />
- forcing you to put up soldiers in your house.<br />
- looking through your private stuff.<br />
(etc etc)</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 03:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great, but can we please make sure all humans have equal rights before ensuring Aliens do?  It just seems kind of monstrous to worry about how we might treat Alien visitors when we can&#039;t even provide food, medicine or drinking water(some very basic rights) to people across the world - even with all of our &quot;modern&quot; technology.  Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great, but can we please make sure all humans have equal rights before ensuring Aliens do?  It just seems kind of monstrous to worry about how we might treat Alien visitors when we can&#8217;t even provide food, medicine or drinking water(some very basic rights) to people across the world &#8211; even with all of our &#8220;modern&#8221; technology.  Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: lindamller</title>
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		<dc:creator>lindamller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 23:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recollect how we did for Thomas Jerome Newton in &quot;The Man Who Fell To Earth&quot;...and he was a millionaire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recollect how we did for Thomas Jerome Newton in &#8220;The Man Who Fell To Earth&#8221;&#8230;and he was a millionaire.</p>
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		<title>By: scribbler</title>
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		<dc:creator>scribbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever steps out of the space ship, humans will meet them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever steps out of the space ship, humans will meet them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Wajenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earl Wajenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 12:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For additional religious reflections on alien contact, see C. S. Lewis&#039;s Space Trilogy, &quot;Out of the Silent Planet,&quot; &quot;Perelandra,&quot; and &quot;That Hideous Strength.&quot;  See also (if you can find it) &quot;Religion and Rocketry,&quot; an essay of his written at the dawn of the space age.  He proposes that aliens may vary from us in spiritual condition just as much as in every other way, in which case there will be some races who will have plenty to teach us about God and goodness.  He did not look forward to alien contact, expecting gloomily that we would merely disgrace ourselves again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For additional religious reflections on alien contact, see C. S. Lewis&#8217;s Space Trilogy, &#8220;Out of the Silent Planet,&#8221; &#8220;Perelandra,&#8221; and &#8220;That Hideous Strength.&#8221;  See also (if you can find it) &#8220;Religion and Rocketry,&#8221; an essay of his written at the dawn of the space age.  He proposes that aliens may vary from us in spiritual condition just as much as in every other way, in which case there will be some races who will have plenty to teach us about God and goodness.  He did not look forward to alien contact, expecting gloomily that we would merely disgrace ourselves again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jockaira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jockaira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This subject is covered extensively and entertainingly in Robert A Heinlein&#039;s story &quot;The Star Beast,&quot; written more than 50 years ago. I recommend it highly. If you can read, you will enjoy it and the contemplation of questions it poses for all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This subject is covered extensively and entertainingly in Robert A Heinlein&#8217;s story &#8220;The Star Beast,&#8221; written more than 50 years ago. I recommend it highly. If you can read, you will enjoy it and the contemplation of questions it poses for all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Munkittrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Munkittrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 23:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bryan: uuuhhh. don&#039;t look now but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/17/pope-astronomer-baptise-aliens&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Pope is very interested in what you suggest&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bryan: uuuhhh. don&#8217;t look now but <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/17/pope-astronomer-baptise-aliens" rel="nofollow">the Pope is very interested in what you suggest</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 18:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to imagine, unless the Vatican is successful in its attempt to convert aliens to Christ, then we are the ones who would probably need the bill of rights if they land..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to imagine, unless the Vatican is successful in its attempt to convert aliens to Christ, then we are the ones who would probably need the bill of rights if they land..</p>
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		<title>By: Guy P. Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy P. Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 16:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure about this. We haven&#039;t even come close to granting the most basic rights to all human beings. How are we going to do so with extraterrestrials?

Tens of millions of women currently live as slaves. Nine million children die every year in poverty. A billion or so people can&#039;t read. Look at how xenophobic people are towards people today. I fear our interaction with aliens would go more like &quot;War of the Worlds&quot; or &quot;District Nine&quot; than Star Trek. Our track record is not good. 

Still gotta try to do the right thing, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure about this. We haven&#8217;t even come close to granting the most basic rights to all human beings. How are we going to do so with extraterrestrials?</p>
<p>Tens of millions of women currently live as slaves. Nine million children die every year in poverty. A billion or so people can&#8217;t read. Look at how xenophobic people are towards people today. I fear our interaction with aliens would go more like &#8220;War of the Worlds&#8221; or &#8220;District Nine&#8221; than Star Trek. Our track record is not good. </p>
<p>Still gotta try to do the right thing, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Few 2010</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Few 2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 16:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://community-webtv.net/SkyVessel-1/EBE/</description>
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		<title>By: Georg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Science, &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; Fiction&quot; 
Excellent example for solving a problem nobody has 
or will ever have!
The &quot;best&quot;(but extremely unlikely) will be some 
contact by wireless, if some advanced &quot;people&quot; 
dwell within some dozen light years.
The only important  thing then will be to develop 
the appropriate &quot;politeness&quot; rules for that messages.
Receiving an answer will take years, so there will be 
ample time to discuss that. 
Georg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Science, <b>not</b> Fiction&#8221;<br />
Excellent example for solving a problem nobody has<br />
or will ever have!<br />
The &#8220;best&#8221;(but extremely unlikely) will be some<br />
contact by wireless, if some advanced &#8220;people&#8221;<br />
dwell within some dozen light years.<br />
The only important  thing then will be to develop<br />
the appropriate &#8220;politeness&#8221; rules for that messages.<br />
Receiving an answer will take years, so there will be<br />
ample time to discuss that.<br />
Georg</p>
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		<dc:creator>Quick Links &#124; A Blog Around The Clock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 02:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Protecting Aliens From Us—an E.T. Bill of Rights [...]</description>
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		<title>By: scribbler</title>
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		<dc:creator>scribbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 02:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Null hypothesis...

If they can find and reach us, they are powerful enough to tell us what is what and if we find them, there isn&#039;t a need to use hypotheticals since we already know how we react to the technologically backward who happen to be sitting on something we want. 

Why would we afford aliens more rights than we do others of our own species? Are they not all sentient and all the other things listed as &quot;mattering&quot;? Since we treat them as chattel, why would we do otherwise just because they are from another planetary system?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Null hypothesis&#8230;</p>
<p>If they can find and reach us, they are powerful enough to tell us what is what and if we find them, there isn&#8217;t a need to use hypotheticals since we already know how we react to the technologically backward who happen to be sitting on something we want. </p>
<p>Why would we afford aliens more rights than we do others of our own species? Are they not all sentient and all the other things listed as &#8220;mattering&#8221;? Since we treat them as chattel, why would we do otherwise just because they are from another planetary system?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 00:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good effort.  However I see a problem.

As a practical matter, it is national governments who make and enforce laws.  Anything supra-national has to go through some body like the U.N.  And quite honestly, there are gaps in the U.N. you can drive a truck through (multiple reasons, let&#039;s not get bogged down).

Also, some people in positions of authority look at stuff like this with a jaundiced eye.  They think, &quot;that&#039;s esoteric and unlikely.  Also, why should we give away some of our freedom to act, considering that we don&#039;t know what the future will hold?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good effort.  However I see a problem.</p>
<p>As a practical matter, it is national governments who make and enforce laws.  Anything supra-national has to go through some body like the U.N.  And quite honestly, there are gaps in the U.N. you can drive a truck through (multiple reasons, let&#8217;s not get bogged down).</p>
<p>Also, some people in positions of authority look at stuff like this with a jaundiced eye.  They think, &#8220;that&#8217;s esoteric and unlikely.  Also, why should we give away some of our freedom to act, considering that we don&#8217;t know what the future will hold?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tbird49er</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tbird49er</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure we know what a sentient creature really is.  What if whales were the aliens we meet?  The human race has &quot;been there, done that&quot; with appalling results.  Sad commentary on our prospects to do any better with aliens.  Might try doing better here on earth before we start to &quot;sweep someone else&#039;s doorstep&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure we know what a sentient creature really is.  What if whales were the aliens we meet?  The human race has &#8220;been there, done that&#8221; with appalling results.  Sad commentary on our prospects to do any better with aliens.  Might try doing better here on earth before we start to &#8220;sweep someone else&#8217;s doorstep&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 21:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we don&#039;t treat ET right, then I&#039;ve lost all hope for our so-called Humanity. We hold ourselves so high, yet do dispicable things to even ourselves. If ET were watching, they would surely (and rightly)  say &quot;stay away&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we don&#8217;t treat ET right, then I&#8217;ve lost all hope for our so-called Humanity. We hold ourselves so high, yet do dispicable things to even ourselves. If ET were watching, they would surely (and rightly)  say &#8220;stay away&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Are you kidding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are you kidding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of you must be kidding. Advanced BEINGS will not bother with us. Period end of story. We as a species haven&#039;t even grown out of tribal warfare. Why risk contact with a hostile species.  So that the advanced beings can waste their time filling out papers and writing up laws. Give me a break. It would be like us trying to reason with ants in the amazon. Of course intelligent life is out there, but why would they want to talk too us. What would we actually have to say to them. HI. Why would they want too? Our culture. Right? How seriously does anyone take a six year old when they throw a tantrum. We still have alot of growing up to do and that takes time. Until religion and science hump each other to death and sit at the same table all these rules are pointless. Besides I don&#039;t think much about killing ants in my backyard when they bite my daughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of you must be kidding. Advanced BEINGS will not bother with us. Period end of story. We as a species haven&#8217;t even grown out of tribal warfare. Why risk contact with a hostile species.  So that the advanced beings can waste their time filling out papers and writing up laws. Give me a break. It would be like us trying to reason with ants in the amazon. Of course intelligent life is out there, but why would they want to talk too us. What would we actually have to say to them. HI. Why would they want too? Our culture. Right? How seriously does anyone take a six year old when they throw a tantrum. We still have alot of growing up to do and that takes time. Until religion and science hump each other to death and sit at the same table all these rules are pointless. Besides I don&#8217;t think much about killing ants in my backyard when they bite my daughter.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Shuman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Shuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, believe me, I can guarantee you that the first thing any major government would do to aliens they found would be to attempt to interrogate and/or experiment on them. It is not until an entity is shown to be sufficiently like “us” (i.e., that they look and sound and emote like the person who is doing the observing) that we would not do terrible things to them if we felt justified (and especially if we felt threatened). We can barely stop doing these things to our fellow humans, and research shows that the more physical differences someone has from ourselves, the more likely we are to see them as so different as to not even be human. So, your Article IV is necessary; although, I don’t think it would be followed by most of our military or political leaders if given the choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, believe me, I can guarantee you that the first thing any major government would do to aliens they found would be to attempt to interrogate and/or experiment on them. It is not until an entity is shown to be sufficiently like “us” (i.e., that they look and sound and emote like the person who is doing the observing) that we would not do terrible things to them if we felt justified (and especially if we felt threatened). We can barely stop doing these things to our fellow humans, and research shows that the more physical differences someone has from ourselves, the more likely we are to see them as so different as to not even be human. So, your Article IV is necessary; although, I don’t think it would be followed by most of our military or political leaders if given the choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Shuman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Shuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, believe me, I can guarantee you that the first thing any major government would do to aliens they found would be to attempt to interrogate and/or experiment on them. It is not until an entity is shown to be sufficiently like &quot;us&quot; (i.e., that they look and sound and emote like the person who is doing the observing) that we would not do terrible things to them if we felt justified (and especially if we felt threatened). We can barely stop doing these things to our fellow humans, and research shows that the more physical differences someone has from ourselves, the more likely we are to see them as so different as to not even be human. So, your Article IV is necessary; although, I don&#039;t think it would be followed by most of our military or political leaders if given the choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, believe me, I can guarantee you that the first thing any major government would do to aliens they found would be to attempt to interrogate and/or experiment on them. It is not until an entity is shown to be sufficiently like &#8220;us&#8221; (i.e., that they look and sound and emote like the person who is doing the observing) that we would not do terrible things to them if we felt justified (and especially if we felt threatened). We can barely stop doing these things to our fellow humans, and research shows that the more physical differences someone has from ourselves, the more likely we are to see them as so different as to not even be human. So, your Article IV is necessary; although, I don&#8217;t think it would be followed by most of our military or political leaders if given the choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot V.  We welcomed them with open arms and they ate us!</description>
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		<title>By: whoschad</title>
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		<dc:creator>whoschad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, those big-eyed aliens were the ones who started abducting and probing us first! I say we earthlings have the right to retaliate. 

The real problem here isn&#039;t earthlings or extra-terrestrials. The real problem are the scientists (both earthling and ET). Scientists are the ones who always want to probe everything. Let the earth scientists and the alien scientists experiment on each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, those big-eyed aliens were the ones who started abducting and probing us first! I say we earthlings have the right to retaliate. </p>
<p>The real problem here isn&#8217;t earthlings or extra-terrestrials. The real problem are the scientists (both earthling and ET). Scientists are the ones who always want to probe everything. Let the earth scientists and the alien scientists experiment on each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Munkittrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Munkittrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bigby: Agreed that we won&#039;t know for certain, but all of the sci-fi examples I gave things were pretty clear. I fought the urge to nerd out in the article over Mass Effect, but there are interactions with the Rachni and Thorian that echo exactly your sentiment -- you decide, in the moment, if an entity 1) has personhood, and therefore dignity/rights/obligations and b) presuming personhood, was what it did so immoral as to warrant death? Personhood always hinges on a sort of universal Turing test and that test will always have false positives and false negatives. 

@JMW: Oy! That&#039;s &quot;Munkittrick&#039;s Four Laws of Interstellar Diplomacy.&quot; However, for mistaking me to be Phil Plait, you have sufficiently flattered me to earn forgiveness. All is well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bigby: Agreed that we won&#8217;t know for certain, but all of the sci-fi examples I gave things were pretty clear. I fought the urge to nerd out in the article over Mass Effect, but there are interactions with the Rachni and Thorian that echo exactly your sentiment &#8212; you decide, in the moment, if an entity 1) has personhood, and therefore dignity/rights/obligations and b) presuming personhood, was what it did so immoral as to warrant death? Personhood always hinges on a sort of universal Turing test and that test will always have false positives and false negatives. </p>
<p>@JMW: Oy! That&#8217;s &#8220;Munkittrick&#8217;s Four Laws of Interstellar Diplomacy.&#8221; However, for mistaking me to be Phil Plait, you have sufficiently flattered me to earn forgiveness. All is well.</p>
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		<title>By: JMW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now we have Plait&#039;s Four Laws of Interstellar Diplomacy, to go with Asimov&#039;s Three Laws of Robotics...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now we have Plait&#8217;s Four Laws of Interstellar Diplomacy, to go with Asimov&#8217;s Three Laws of Robotics&#8230;</p>
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