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	<title>Comments on: Delay the Decay: How Zombie Biology Would Work</title>
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		<title>By: Rico Brendeland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rico Brendeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Holly Castaner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly Castaner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Freshmeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freshmeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many interesting points in this thread concerning the scientific plausibility of the &#039;&#039;Z&#039;&#039; phenomenon. First the fast &#039;&#039;living&#039;&#039; zombie is quite possible if you look at the various kind of micro-organisms that control their hosts : Fungi in the case stated above but also parasites that cause ants to go up to the top of grass blades to be eaten by cows and other examples. Lets assume that parasitic mind control does exist. If a parasite or virus infects someone and makes him more aggressisve, it could theoretically alter others functions such as pain perception and reaction to trauma as well as self-preservation instinct like toxoplasma gondii witch causes the mice to be attracted by cats. A super-aggressive human that feels no pain and cannot be put in a state of shock by heavy trauma is quite scary. In fact, if a parasite had to pass from one host to another to reproduce and the infection was destructive to the host, it is very likely that these neural functions, witch could pose an obstacle to the transmission, would be terminated. It would explain why the zombies are so tough: the human body is quite resilient maybe you pop a few rounds in the chest but miss the heart by a little, with no self-preservation mechanism it would just keep going at you and ty to bite with all its strength for the few minutes it has to live. I think that covers it for the &#039;&#039;living zombie&#039;&#039;.

For the &#039;&#039;dead zombie&#039;&#039;, I think the most plausible scenario has already been stated above: a form of hive-mind unicellular creatures. Such a creature could simply use the already present structures of the human body but alter their functioning. Imagine that those creatures could produce energy from eaten flesh by themselves and distribute it throughout the body through some kind of &#039;&#039;osmosis&#039;&#039;, that would eliminate the need for a pulse and respiration. The non-necessary organs would rot and the host would be dead but there would be a new life form inhabiting the body, maintaining the shape and the functions that serve the hive.

Considering all those factors in favor of a possible zombie apocalypse, I would suggest you start packing food, water and ammo if you know what&#039;s best for you and your family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many interesting points in this thread concerning the scientific plausibility of the &#8221;Z&#8221; phenomenon. First the fast &#8221;living&#8221; zombie is quite possible if you look at the various kind of micro-organisms that control their hosts : Fungi in the case stated above but also parasites that cause ants to go up to the top of grass blades to be eaten by cows and other examples. Lets assume that parasitic mind control does exist. If a parasite or virus infects someone and makes him more aggressisve, it could theoretically alter others functions such as pain perception and reaction to trauma as well as self-preservation instinct like toxoplasma gondii witch causes the mice to be attracted by cats. A super-aggressive human that feels no pain and cannot be put in a state of shock by heavy trauma is quite scary. In fact, if a parasite had to pass from one host to another to reproduce and the infection was destructive to the host, it is very likely that these neural functions, witch could pose an obstacle to the transmission, would be terminated. It would explain why the zombies are so tough: the human body is quite resilient maybe you pop a few rounds in the chest but miss the heart by a little, with no self-preservation mechanism it would just keep going at you and ty to bite with all its strength for the few minutes it has to live. I think that covers it for the &#8221;living zombie&#8221;.</p>
<p>For the &#8221;dead zombie&#8221;, I think the most plausible scenario has already been stated above: a form of hive-mind unicellular creatures. Such a creature could simply use the already present structures of the human body but alter their functioning. Imagine that those creatures could produce energy from eaten flesh by themselves and distribute it throughout the body through some kind of &#8221;osmosis&#8221;, that would eliminate the need for a pulse and respiration. The non-necessary organs would rot and the host would be dead but there would be a new life form inhabiting the body, maintaining the shape and the functions that serve the hive.</p>
<p>Considering all those factors in favor of a possible zombie apocalypse, I would suggest you start packing food, water and ammo if you know what&#8217;s best for you and your family.</p>
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		<title>By: Putrefaction vs. decomposition. A note to myself. &#124; Jonas Jæger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Putrefaction vs. decomposition. A note to myself. &#124; Jonas Jæger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Zombie Porn &#124; OutPost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zombie Porn &#124; OutPost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kyle Munkittrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Munkittrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Troy McCurrin: even MORE interesting! Presidency vs Congress as a determining factor in which monsters we love. Who get&#039;s sharktopus? The Green Party?</description>
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		<title>By: Troy McCurrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy McCurrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 11:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kyle Munkittrick: Actually, in 2005, the Democrats were surging in popularity again, and retook the house and Senate in 2006.  Now the Republicans are surging.  I hadn&#039;t ever thought about it, but David may have a valid point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kyle Munkittrick: Actually, in 2005, the Democrats were surging in popularity again, and retook the house and Senate in 2006.  Now the Republicans are surging.  I hadn&#8217;t ever thought about it, but David may have a valid point.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Munkittrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Munkittrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 15:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm.... Interesting point David. So I pose to you the following question: what does it mean that zombies AND vampires have been surging in popularity spanning the Bush and Obama presidencies? Twilight took off in 2005, True Blood in 2008, with Zombieland in 2009 and The Walking Dead in 2010. Your trend is reversing, or rendering the political leadership irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230;. Interesting point David. So I pose to you the following question: what does it mean that zombies AND vampires have been surging in popularity spanning the Bush and Obama presidencies? Twilight took off in 2005, True Blood in 2008, with Zombieland in 2009 and The Walking Dead in 2010. Your trend is reversing, or rendering the political leadership irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: AaronPM</title>
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		<dc:creator>AaronPM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 23:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The classic Romero z0mbie&#039;s are not infectious, its just every one who dies turns into a zombie. Being killed by a zombie only brings death and turning into a zombie faster than natural death.
 The fungal zombie works very well as it will spread out and make its own network that  transports nutrients and motor control signals. The fungus will consume the body but lucky for the fungus we have huge reserves of energy in our bodies. The fungal zombie was introduced 30 odd years ago in a now classic AD&amp;D adventure.
 Now when the zombies rise the Vampires will have to save humanity from extintion. 
 IMO undead zombies are going to be slow not fast. Running is hard to do with the smallest metal impediment, Zombies are brain dead &quot;no running&quot;. The&quot; Infected Living&quot; zombies will be able to run but not very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The classic Romero z0mbie&#8217;s are not infectious, its just every one who dies turns into a zombie. Being killed by a zombie only brings death and turning into a zombie faster than natural death.<br />
 The fungal zombie works very well as it will spread out and make its own network that  transports nutrients and motor control signals. The fungus will consume the body but lucky for the fungus we have huge reserves of energy in our bodies. The fungal zombie was introduced 30 odd years ago in a now classic AD&#038;D adventure.<br />
 Now when the zombies rise the Vampires will have to save humanity from extintion.<br />
 IMO undead zombies are going to be slow not fast. Running is hard to do with the smallest metal impediment, Zombies are brain dead &#8220;no running&#8221;. The&#8221; Infected Living&#8221; zombies will be able to run but not very well.</p>
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		<title>By: David Brin</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Brin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should all find zombies depressing politically! Zombie flicks surge when Republicans are gaining control and fear the masses. Vampire flicks represent fear of a predatious-controlling aristocracy and surge when democrats gain. S&#039;truth! In fact...

There&#039;s a whole monster CLASS SYSTEM. Vampires are old-style aristocrats (and worshiping them makes their fans true traitors), while zombies are the proletariat. So who&#039;s the MIDDLE CLASS?

Well, it used to be lycanthropes, werewolves. Poor schlumps in the suburbs, the only monsters with families,mortgages to pay and lawns that need mowing. Their affliction is portrayed with sympathy and angst and made for INTERESTING stories! Their new powers and temptations conflicting with bourgeois values, leading to inevitable tragedy...

...except in the wonderfully up-beat and American TEEN WOLF.

and except for the recent UTTER BETRAYAL of the whole idea behind wolfmen, in these awful new series that portray &quot;lycans&quot; as just another kind of arrogant asshole monster race preying on normal people, completely missing the point of what they are about!

David Brin... author of The Postman and Earth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should all find zombies depressing politically! Zombie flicks surge when Republicans are gaining control and fear the masses. Vampire flicks represent fear of a predatious-controlling aristocracy and surge when democrats gain. S&#8217;truth! In fact&#8230;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a whole monster CLASS SYSTEM. Vampires are old-style aristocrats (and worshiping them makes their fans true traitors), while zombies are the proletariat. So who&#8217;s the MIDDLE CLASS?</p>
<p>Well, it used to be lycanthropes, werewolves. Poor schlumps in the suburbs, the only monsters with families,mortgages to pay and lawns that need mowing. Their affliction is portrayed with sympathy and angst and made for INTERESTING stories! Their new powers and temptations conflicting with bourgeois values, leading to inevitable tragedy&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;except in the wonderfully up-beat and American TEEN WOLF.</p>
<p>and except for the recent UTTER BETRAYAL of the whole idea behind wolfmen, in these awful new series that portray &#8220;lycans&#8221; as just another kind of arrogant asshole monster race preying on normal people, completely missing the point of what they are about!</p>
<p>David Brin&#8230; author of The Postman and Earth</p>
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		<title>By: pinworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>pinworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would imagine that NO body functions or organs can really be done without, even skin,even by a &quot;dead&quot; entity. A virus depending on the survival of the host would actually need things like skin and a functioning digestive system, or the host would not function long enough to infect others, nor could it develop the energy to walk around hunting victims without a fucntioning digestive system, fully functioning lymphatic and circulatory systems, endochronological systems, electrolytic systems etc. No blood circulation means no oxygen and sugars for the muscular cells involved in motion. In movies, Zombies often have injuries of a catastrophic nature..the hero smashes one with a car, or hacks off an arm..or shoots it in the chest, and the zombie keeps on coming. Even a zombie with an injury like that would lose too much blood and oxygen. A broken back would make it impossible even for a zombie brain to get the legs to move or the heart to beat. A bullet in the chest would deflate the lungs and in minutes prevent the muscles from moving to to asphyxia. Long story short, if the virus reanimates the host, it had better reanimate EVERYTHING unless it wants a life span of no more than a few hours. 

If the process of decomposition has already begun, the zombie does not have much time before the host body becomes unreliable. Evolution simply would never give such a risky system good odds. 

Zombie flicks always focus on the persons fighting the hordes, but never on the zombies themselves. What happens to the zombies that don&#039;t find anyone to infect..or even if they do, what happens to them over the long haul? I think they themselves would  re-die in a matter of days as the functions fail so much that even the virus cannot sustain it. 

However, viruses usually never infect someone &quot;for keeps&quot;..they infect to use the host to reproduce, and their offspring go on to infect others and so forth keeping the species of virus alive but sacrificing the infecting viruses in the process. I think zombies hunt humans not to get sustinance, but to simply spread the virus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would imagine that NO body functions or organs can really be done without, even skin,even by a &#8220;dead&#8221; entity. A virus depending on the survival of the host would actually need things like skin and a functioning digestive system, or the host would not function long enough to infect others, nor could it develop the energy to walk around hunting victims without a fucntioning digestive system, fully functioning lymphatic and circulatory systems, endochronological systems, electrolytic systems etc. No blood circulation means no oxygen and sugars for the muscular cells involved in motion. In movies, Zombies often have injuries of a catastrophic nature..the hero smashes one with a car, or hacks off an arm..or shoots it in the chest, and the zombie keeps on coming. Even a zombie with an injury like that would lose too much blood and oxygen. A broken back would make it impossible even for a zombie brain to get the legs to move or the heart to beat. A bullet in the chest would deflate the lungs and in minutes prevent the muscles from moving to to asphyxia. Long story short, if the virus reanimates the host, it had better reanimate EVERYTHING unless it wants a life span of no more than a few hours. </p>
<p>If the process of decomposition has already begun, the zombie does not have much time before the host body becomes unreliable. Evolution simply would never give such a risky system good odds. </p>
<p>Zombie flicks always focus on the persons fighting the hordes, but never on the zombies themselves. What happens to the zombies that don&#8217;t find anyone to infect..or even if they do, what happens to them over the long haul? I think they themselves would  re-die in a matter of days as the functions fail so much that even the virus cannot sustain it. </p>
<p>However, viruses usually never infect someone &#8220;for keeps&#8221;..they infect to use the host to reproduce, and their offspring go on to infect others and so forth keeping the species of virus alive but sacrificing the infecting viruses in the process. I think zombies hunt humans not to get sustinance, but to simply spread the virus.</p>
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		<title>By: Zombies! Zombies everywhere! - Nerdcore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zombies! Zombies everywhere! - Nerdcore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Zombiescience-Reihe weitergeführt: Everything You Ever Wanted To Ask About Zombies, Answered, Delay the Decay: How Zombie Biology Would Work, Zombies: Can You Kill the Undead?, Zombies: Ethics of the Undead! und Newsweek hat auch was zu den [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Dunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 20:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a bacterium that spreads through bites. It induces production of hydrogen sulfide in the bloodstream, giving the illusion that the host is dead. The second phase is reduction in hydrogen sulphide and swelling of the host&#039;s cells, with selective protection of the medulla and pons. The ensuing encephalitis would cause a rabies-like flailing and irrationality, and eventual cell death. The bacteria would survive from the digested materials from autolysis. In addition, a heightened olfactory sensitivity to stress hormones, and a surge in ghrelin hormone, which causes insatiable hunger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a bacterium that spreads through bites. It induces production of hydrogen sulfide in the bloodstream, giving the illusion that the host is dead. The second phase is reduction in hydrogen sulphide and swelling of the host&#8217;s cells, with selective protection of the medulla and pons. The ensuing encephalitis would cause a rabies-like flailing and irrationality, and eventual cell death. The bacteria would survive from the digested materials from autolysis. In addition, a heightened olfactory sensitivity to stress hormones, and a surge in ghrelin hormone, which causes insatiable hunger.</p>
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		<title>By: DeAnna</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeAnna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I picked a mutated (by alien microbes) mold strain rather than a virus for my book; I didn&#039;t follow your rules, because I wasn&#039;t looking for the same outcome. Despite the holes in the logic, I&#039;ll put it forth for discussion:

1) The mold &quot;needs&quot; (hand wave) neural tissue, which leads to the impulse zombies have to eat brains.  Anything with neural tissue gets targeted.

There are different strains; each strain &quot;prefers&quot; non-infected flesh but will also try to take over flesh infected by a different strain.

The body stops &quot;living&quot; as a human and becomes a mold host; the mold takes over life functions.

2) There are two phases of the main strains:  mobile and spore.  The mobile (zombie) form lasts only so long (hand wave) and then becomes a puff ball of spores.

The mobile zombies can use mold to reattach body parts, although it isn&#039;t pretty or structurally strong.

The other strains have a third phase related to the alien genetics; I won&#039;t say anything further about it here.

3) Mobile zombies spread contagion via contact and fluid; spores are spores and thus even nastier.

I wanted to achieve three things:

1) A world in which people had to compete with another life form, a massive change.

2) A world in which the most powerful weapons were bleach and alcohol.

2) Brains that taste better than truffles.  (It&#039;s a comedy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I picked a mutated (by alien microbes) mold strain rather than a virus for my book; I didn&#8217;t follow your rules, because I wasn&#8217;t looking for the same outcome. Despite the holes in the logic, I&#8217;ll put it forth for discussion:</p>
<p>1) The mold &#8220;needs&#8221; (hand wave) neural tissue, which leads to the impulse zombies have to eat brains.  Anything with neural tissue gets targeted.</p>
<p>There are different strains; each strain &#8220;prefers&#8221; non-infected flesh but will also try to take over flesh infected by a different strain.</p>
<p>The body stops &#8220;living&#8221; as a human and becomes a mold host; the mold takes over life functions.</p>
<p>2) There are two phases of the main strains:  mobile and spore.  The mobile (zombie) form lasts only so long (hand wave) and then becomes a puff ball of spores.</p>
<p>The mobile zombies can use mold to reattach body parts, although it isn&#8217;t pretty or structurally strong.</p>
<p>The other strains have a third phase related to the alien genetics; I won&#8217;t say anything further about it here.</p>
<p>3) Mobile zombies spread contagion via contact and fluid; spores are spores and thus even nastier.</p>
<p>I wanted to achieve three things:</p>
<p>1) A world in which people had to compete with another life form, a massive change.</p>
<p>2) A world in which the most powerful weapons were bleach and alcohol.</p>
<p>2) Brains that taste better than truffles.  (It&#8217;s a comedy.)</p>
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		<title>By: OtherGregW</title>
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		<dc:creator>OtherGregW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve considered this and believe zombification not to be based on viruses, but instead on hive-mind creatures of some sort, capable of reanimating (real, very dead) corpses to further their DNA-driven spread.</description>
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		<title>By: Kyle Munkittrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Munkittrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 00:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GregW: Thanks for the example! I was thinking that, but didn&#039;t want to add any of the real-life examples (the article was already getting a bit long!). As for exact brain regions, no idea, but the medulla and pons seem critical, as well as rudimentary visual/sensory processing regions. On your last point, that is just a great question - I presumed that a virus + body&#039;s natural burn rate would require double the nutrients, plus I wanted to explain why zombies lusting for flesh would benefit the virus (evo bio explanation, I guess).

@Idlewilde: That&#039;ll teach Dave to generalize. My guess, with your question about amputation, is that a person would only have a few minutes to amputate if bitten in an extremity. This is all made up, but with some venom (like black widow) the poison does far more damage in the heart than in the extremities. I guess it would depend on blood flow up the arm and point of entry. But, yes, if you amputated in time the person would be ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GregW: Thanks for the example! I was thinking that, but didn&#8217;t want to add any of the real-life examples (the article was already getting a bit long!). As for exact brain regions, no idea, but the medulla and pons seem critical, as well as rudimentary visual/sensory processing regions. On your last point, that is just a great question &#8211; I presumed that a virus + body&#8217;s natural burn rate would require double the nutrients, plus I wanted to explain why zombies lusting for flesh would benefit the virus (evo bio explanation, I guess).</p>
<p>@Idlewilde: That&#8217;ll teach Dave to generalize. My guess, with your question about amputation, is that a person would only have a few minutes to amputate if bitten in an extremity. This is all made up, but with some venom (like black widow) the poison does far more damage in the heart than in the extremities. I guess it would depend on blood flow up the arm and point of entry. But, yes, if you amputated in time the person would be ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Idlewilde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Idlewilde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 05:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Dave- I&#039;m a girl and I like zombies....way better than sparkly ass  hairgelled jerks who are lame enough to wear *beige* leather jackets...seriously, edward should save that for the has-been stud at the senior home....anyway, this was a great article. It&#039;s fun when fantasy stuff is scientifically analized. 

One question:  If a guy who was bitten by a zombie got his bitten arm amputated directly afterward, would the virus not have had time to spread? Would he survive, all risks of amputation aside?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Dave- I&#8217;m a girl and I like zombies&#8230;.way better than sparkly ass  hairgelled jerks who are lame enough to wear *beige* leather jackets&#8230;seriously, edward should save that for the has-been stud at the senior home&#8230;.anyway, this was a great article. It&#8217;s fun when fantasy stuff is scientifically analized. </p>
<p>One question:  If a guy who was bitten by a zombie got his bitten arm amputated directly afterward, would the virus not have had time to spread? Would he survive, all risks of amputation aside?</p>
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		<title>By: GregW</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What kind of real-life examples exist to illustrate the &quot;hijack&quot; and &quot;jump-start&quot; processes? In my non-scientist experience, C. unilateralis (the oft-cited fungus that causes ants to sacrifice their lives to spread spores) seems like a suitable example. 

How much of the brain, and what level of complexity, must be preserved to enable zombie behavior? If the pathogen must provide nutrient secretions, a pre-existing fungal infection also seems to fit the bill.

Lastly, should we assume that zombies actually process the flesh they eat and gain sustenance from it? Day of the Dead, the third film in Romero&#039;s classic series, establishes that the zombies are compelled (programmed?) to eat flesh, but don&#039;t derive any nutrition or benefit from it. In the case of a pathogen (in Night of the Living Dead, the cause of the zombie outbreak is presumed to be unusual radiation brought to earth by a space probe), the cannibal behavior can be explained as a reproductive strategy: exploiting the existing bodies of humans and their instinctual urges to eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of real-life examples exist to illustrate the &#8220;hijack&#8221; and &#8220;jump-start&#8221; processes? In my non-scientist experience, C. unilateralis (the oft-cited fungus that causes ants to sacrifice their lives to spread spores) seems like a suitable example. </p>
<p>How much of the brain, and what level of complexity, must be preserved to enable zombie behavior? If the pathogen must provide nutrient secretions, a pre-existing fungal infection also seems to fit the bill.</p>
<p>Lastly, should we assume that zombies actually process the flesh they eat and gain sustenance from it? Day of the Dead, the third film in Romero&#8217;s classic series, establishes that the zombies are compelled (programmed?) to eat flesh, but don&#8217;t derive any nutrition or benefit from it. In the case of a pathogen (in Night of the Living Dead, the cause of the zombie outbreak is presumed to be unusual radiation brought to earth by a space probe), the cannibal behavior can be explained as a reproductive strategy: exploiting the existing bodies of humans and their instinctual urges to eat.</p>
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		<title>By: dave chamberlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave chamberlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys like gross zombies, while women theses days are apparently infatuated with vampires. Put some fun psuedo science into the reasons for that.</description>
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