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	<title>Comments on: We Need Gattaca to Prevent Skynet and Global Warming</title>
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		<title>By: zyxo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2010/11/10/we-need-gattaca-to-prevent-skynet-and-global-warming/#comment-3822</link>
		<dc:creator>zyxo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...if machines become self-aware and start improving themselves, we’re going to have a problem.&quot;
This depends on who we are at that moment.  When we will be able to create self-aware machines, I&#039;m  pretty sure we will also be able to enhance ourselves to the same level.  Perhaps we will already be part of those machines.  Machines will become more biological, people will become more machine.  I suppose we&#039;l meet somewhere in the middle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;if machines become self-aware and start improving themselves, we’re going to have a problem.&#8221;<br />
This depends on who we are at that moment.  When we will be able to create self-aware machines, I&#8217;m  pretty sure we will also be able to enhance ourselves to the same level.  Perhaps we will already be part of those machines.  Machines will become more biological, people will become more machine.  I suppose we&#8217;l meet somewhere in the middle.</p>
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		<title>By: Stolen Dormouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stolen Dormouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I got out of &lt;i&gt;Gattaca&lt;/i&gt; was not that the creation of genetically &quot;optimal&quot; humans will advance the species. Instead it was the story of one person&#039;s will and desire overcoming his so-called genetic limitations.

I found it interesting that the social darwinist society, with a kind of genetic caste system, had a pre-World War II feel with mid-21st century technology. (A bit more modern than &quot;Steam Punk,&quot; with a film noir feel.) Reminds me a bit of &lt;i&gt;Alphaville&lt;/i&gt; in that way.

Also, I enjoyed seeing Gore Vidal in an acting role, not just as the writer of someone else&#039;s role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I got out of <i>Gattaca</i> was not that the creation of genetically &#8220;optimal&#8221; humans will advance the species. Instead it was the story of one person&#8217;s will and desire overcoming his so-called genetic limitations.</p>
<p>I found it interesting that the social darwinist society, with a kind of genetic caste system, had a pre-World War II feel with mid-21st century technology. (A bit more modern than &#8220;Steam Punk,&#8221; with a film noir feel.) Reminds me a bit of <i>Alphaville</i> in that way.</p>
<p>Also, I enjoyed seeing Gore Vidal in an acting role, not just as the writer of someone else&#8217;s role.</p>
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		<title>By: Giants’ Shoulders #29: Esoteric Science Special &#171; Heterodoxology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giants’ Shoulders #29: Esoteric Science Special &#171; Heterodoxology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] us of the cultural importance of genius, as told through science fiction in particular. It is a tale of nerds, muscles, transhumanism, and the fate of our species in the face of impending doom: “In science fiction, when humanity is faced with existential crises, we turn to great minds [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] us of the cultural importance of genius, as told through science fiction in particular. It is a tale of nerds, muscles, transhumanism, and the fate of our species in the face of impending doom: “In science fiction, when humanity is faced with existential crises, we turn to great minds [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assume that we instead were a lot more stupid, how many of those existensial threats would we still face? There still might be aliens or a rogue comet, but we wouldn&#039;t have to worry about AI, nuclear war, genetically designed diseases etc. Maybe making ourselves more stupid would be a better solution, becoming more intelligent will just let us come up with new ways to get in trouble. Besides, in an armsrace against AI:s our descendants soon wouldn&#039;t be recognizably humans anyway.

Engineering people for becoming more ethical sounds great, assuming it&#039;s everyone else that does it. That leaves the field open for my, non engineered, kids to take advantage of them. Unless you wish to impose a control state that forces everyone to undergo these changes I just don&#039;t see how it would work. Unethical parents would cheat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assume that we instead were a lot more stupid, how many of those existensial threats would we still face? There still might be aliens or a rogue comet, but we wouldn&#8217;t have to worry about AI, nuclear war, genetically designed diseases etc. Maybe making ourselves more stupid would be a better solution, becoming more intelligent will just let us come up with new ways to get in trouble. Besides, in an armsrace against AI:s our descendants soon wouldn&#8217;t be recognizably humans anyway.</p>
<p>Engineering people for becoming more ethical sounds great, assuming it&#8217;s everyone else that does it. That leaves the field open for my, non engineered, kids to take advantage of them. Unless you wish to impose a control state that forces everyone to undergo these changes I just don&#8217;t see how it would work. Unethical parents would cheat.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Mike Magee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Mike Magee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The message in both versions of The Day the Earth Stood Still is that humanity’s greatest existential threat is itself.&quot;

Aliens are just a metaphor for ourselves. We will do the destroying, and why, because western society is built on the antisocial principles of capitalism. Surely it is obvious. Our characteristics are those of a social animal, and that is why we have an instinct to be moral. Morality is simply caring for and sharing with others -- &quot;Do unto others as you would be done by&quot;. Yet capitalism fosters dog eat dog, might is right, selfishness is natural, and greed is a blessing of God. These are the characteristics of the solitary animal, and even the solitary mother loves her infant. Social animals are supposed to love each other. That, incidentally, is the teaching of Christianity, and America constantly boasts it is a Christian nation, when in terms of practice, as opposed to wishful thinking, it transparently is not. Even more paradoxically, the American political system buried socialism and communism, when they at least were attempting to bring the importance of human society to the forefront. Yep, the aliens are among us, but they are not the commies, they are the greedy and selfish accumulators of all our social assets, the bankers and financiers swapping their wealth here and there as long as it keep growing, and too bad for the rest of us. They are the ones in the spaceships, and the ones who need to be given a cold by some Goldblum-like genius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The message in both versions of The Day the Earth Stood Still is that humanity’s greatest existential threat is itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aliens are just a metaphor for ourselves. We will do the destroying, and why, because western society is built on the antisocial principles of capitalism. Surely it is obvious. Our characteristics are those of a social animal, and that is why we have an instinct to be moral. Morality is simply caring for and sharing with others &#8212; &#8220;Do unto others as you would be done by&#8221;. Yet capitalism fosters dog eat dog, might is right, selfishness is natural, and greed is a blessing of God. These are the characteristics of the solitary animal, and even the solitary mother loves her infant. Social animals are supposed to love each other. That, incidentally, is the teaching of Christianity, and America constantly boasts it is a Christian nation, when in terms of practice, as opposed to wishful thinking, it transparently is not. Even more paradoxically, the American political system buried socialism and communism, when they at least were attempting to bring the importance of human society to the forefront. Yep, the aliens are among us, but they are not the commies, they are the greedy and selfish accumulators of all our social assets, the bankers and financiers swapping their wealth here and there as long as it keep growing, and too bad for the rest of us. They are the ones in the spaceships, and the ones who need to be given a cold by some Goldblum-like genius.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleksandar Kuktin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aleksandar Kuktin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Al Feersum: Agreed. Bad movie (IMHO), and a bad example.

But, nevertheless, in my humble opinion, the way forward is not led by geniuses, but by well-oiled conglomerates of educated people, drawing from present and past solutions to come to solutions better adapted to current problems; all of this happening in a finite universe with a finite number of problems and a finite number of possible solutions (and with some problems not having a solution).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Al Feersum: Agreed. Bad movie (IMHO), and a bad example.</p>
<p>But, nevertheless, in my humble opinion, the way forward is not led by geniuses, but by well-oiled conglomerates of educated people, drawing from present and past solutions to come to solutions better adapted to current problems; all of this happening in a finite universe with a finite number of problems and a finite number of possible solutions (and with some problems not having a solution).</p>
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		<title>By: Al Feersum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Feersum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@6 ...and if the aliens were smart enough to get here in the first place, with a huge invasion force ready for the conquering and destruction of the planet, somehow I don&#039;t think that they&#039;d make that stupid mistake of allowing a back-door into their systems that provides sysadmin privileges to their whole network - &lt;i&gt;we&lt;/i&gt; learned that this was a bad thing, and we&#039;re &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; throwing rocks at the moon - they &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; have done their homework.

Though Goldblum&#039;s character would never have got &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; lucky opening - there &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; have been others, but unlikely, given the apparent technological sophistication represented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@6 &#8230;and if the aliens were smart enough to get here in the first place, with a huge invasion force ready for the conquering and destruction of the planet, somehow I don&#8217;t think that they&#8217;d make that stupid mistake of allowing a back-door into their systems that provides sysadmin privileges to their whole network &#8211; <i>we</i> learned that this was a bad thing, and we&#8217;re <i>still</i> throwing rocks at the moon &#8211; they <i>would</i> have done their homework.</p>
<p>Though Goldblum&#8217;s character would never have got <i>that</i> lucky opening &#8211; there <i>might</i> have been others, but unlikely, given the apparent technological sophistication represented.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleksandar Kuktin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aleksandar Kuktin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are the pawns of Nature. And Nature does not give a rat&#039;s --- about us.

What gives people a &quot;righteous&quot; society is not abundance of smart or able people, it is the permissive environment.

For example, in &quot;Independence day&quot;, Goldblum did come up with a solution, but only because there was a solution to come to in the first place! If the aliens did their homework like they were supposed to, there would be no security vulnerability for Goldblum&#039;s character to exploit, no solution, and humanity would have died out.
In reality, what saved humanity was not a lone genius, but a lucky opening in the environment.

Same goes for the real life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are the pawns of Nature. And Nature does not give a rat&#8217;s &#8212; about us.</p>
<p>What gives people a &#8220;righteous&#8221; society is not abundance of smart or able people, it is the permissive environment.</p>
<p>For example, in &#8220;Independence day&#8221;, Goldblum did come up with a solution, but only because there was a solution to come to in the first place! If the aliens did their homework like they were supposed to, there would be no security vulnerability for Goldblum&#8217;s character to exploit, no solution, and humanity would have died out.<br />
In reality, what saved humanity was not a lone genius, but a lucky opening in the environment.</p>
<p>Same goes for the real life.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Feersum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Feersum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we take the Gattaca approach, who is going to decide what is desirable or not?

Perhaps, maybe, we should take a leaf out of Neal Stephenson&#039;s Anathem, and create secular monastic orders... but unlike Mensa, which sounds like it&#039;s full of people who need to prove to themselves, and to others - that they are smart.  Just seems like they&#039;re insecure.

After all, what does being a member of Mensa give you?  Sweet Fanny Adams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we take the Gattaca approach, who is going to decide what is desirable or not?</p>
<p>Perhaps, maybe, we should take a leaf out of Neal Stephenson&#8217;s Anathem, and create secular monastic orders&#8230; but unlike Mensa, which sounds like it&#8217;s full of people who need to prove to themselves, and to others &#8211; that they are smart.  Just seems like they&#8217;re insecure.</p>
<p>After all, what does being a member of Mensa give you?  Sweet Fanny Adams.</p>
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		<title>By: Hopefully Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hopefully Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social networks of agents are higher level agents in higher level social networks. Who is best positioned to substrate jump? Who is best positioned to dissolve their higher organization to form new optimizing ones? I&#039;d like to bet that humans are the best positioned agent/social network level, but how statistically probable is that?

What&#039;s the likelihood that the future belongs to either memes without theatre-of-consciousness personalities, or organizations without humans?

Whatever would compete with us, let&#039;s hope they waste as least as much resources bullshitting on these topics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social networks of agents are higher level agents in higher level social networks. Who is best positioned to substrate jump? Who is best positioned to dissolve their higher organization to form new optimizing ones? I&#8217;d like to bet that humans are the best positioned agent/social network level, but how statistically probable is that?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the likelihood that the future belongs to either memes without theatre-of-consciousness personalities, or organizations without humans?</p>
<p>Whatever would compete with us, let&#8217;s hope they waste as least as much resources bullshitting on these topics.</p>
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