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	<title>Comments on: Improving Scientific Literacy&#8230; or Charlie Chaplin Movies as Science Fiction?  Really?</title>
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		<title>By: It’s the End of the World as We Know It… or Not. &#171; Femme Scientifique</title>
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		<dc:creator>It’s the End of the World as We Know It… or Not. &#171; Femme Scientifique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] debunked in as many places, and in as many ways, as possible (see also my recent diatribe blog entry on science literacy). Scientists have our work cut out for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Standard of Practical Knowledge, and an Applicable Rating System &#8211; The Real Evidence For the Failure of America’s Educational System (K-University/College-Life) &#124; Daddy Hogwash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Standard of Practical Knowledge, and an Applicable Rating System &#8211; The Real Evidence For the Failure of America’s Educational System (K-University/College-Life) &#124; Daddy Hogwash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 19:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nomuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 20:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here I thought you were going to talk about &quot;Modern Times.&quot;  

Be that as it may.  Brutally, I think people are attracted to conspiracy theories because they lack the background to be enthralled by the strange stuff that is real.  When you don&#039;t even understand what causes the phases of the Moon, it takes something as crude and obvious as &quot;The Moon is a Spaceship!&quot; to excite you.  

Odd, the comment about scientists leaving science at the door.  Would that engineers would do that more often!  (I grew up around engineers.)  Perhaps the problem is that the tool they are most used to using is too precise.  To get around in the day-to-day the blunter and more generalized tools of logic, mechanics, first-order effects, and simple math get you further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here I thought you were going to talk about &#8220;Modern Times.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Be that as it may.  Brutally, I think people are attracted to conspiracy theories because they lack the background to be enthralled by the strange stuff that is real.  When you don&#8217;t even understand what causes the phases of the Moon, it takes something as crude and obvious as &#8220;The Moon is a Spaceship!&#8221; to excite you.  </p>
<p>Odd, the comment about scientists leaving science at the door.  Would that engineers would do that more often!  (I grew up around engineers.)  Perhaps the problem is that the tool they are most used to using is too precise.  To get around in the day-to-day the blunter and more generalized tools of logic, mechanics, first-order effects, and simple math get you further.</p>
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		<title>By: Rangle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rangle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Misteri assolutamente spiegabili...&lt;/strong&gt;

Proprio ieri, Kevin Grazier ha riaperto la questione su Science Not Fiction raccontando la cosa dal suo punto di vista di educatore scientifico e difendendo l&#039;insegnamento delle &quot;abilità&quot; nell&#039;utilizzo degli strumenti scientifici. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Misteri assolutamente spiegabili&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Proprio ieri, Kevin Grazier ha riaperto la questione su Science Not Fiction raccontando la cosa dal suo punto di vista di educatore scientifico e difendendo l&#8217;insegnamento delle &#8220;abilità&#8221; nell&#8217;utilizzo degli strumenti scientifici. &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above triggered this memory, which might make a list called Great Moments in Fictional Time Travel:

In &lt;i&gt;Star Trek: Enterprise&lt;/i&gt;, there&#039;s a scene where a Zindi is using an unfamiliar communication device to talk to what he thinks is a member of the race who are encouraging the Zindi to attack Earth. The signal is breaking up, and he steps closer to ask for clarification &#8212; whereupon Jonathan Archer, until that moment trapped in the 31st century, materializes in the cylinder of light and punches his lights out.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;A pay phone was ringing, and it just about blew my mind.
When I picked it up and said hello, this &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;foot&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; came through the line.&quot;
&#8211; Bob Dylan
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You see I&#039;m capable of some wackiness myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above triggered this memory, which might make a list called Great Moments in Fictional Time Travel:</p>
<p>In <i>Star Trek: Enterprise</i>, there&#8217;s a scene where a Zindi is using an unfamiliar communication device to talk to what he thinks is a member of the race who are encouraging the Zindi to attack Earth. The signal is breaking up, and he steps closer to ask for clarification &mdash; whereupon Jonathan Archer, until that moment trapped in the 31st century, materializes in the cylinder of light and punches his lights out.</p>
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&#8220;A pay phone was ringing, and it just about blew my mind.<br />
When I picked it up and said hello, this <b><i>foot</i></b> came through the line.&#8221;<br />
&ndash; Bob Dylan
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<p>You see I&#8217;m capable of some wackiness myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve rearranged this a bit:

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&quot;Seriously? NOBODY could give an explanation better than that of a time-traveling cell phone user? Well web sites and surfers alike certainly offered up their speculation.

One simple “Where’s the cell tower?” comment (and thankfully there were some of these) in the articles’ talkbacks  should have been “End of subject”, at least as far as the object being any kind of communications device, and in too many cases it wasn’t. &quot;
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Once the premise of a time traveller is accepted, it seems illogical to doubt a trans-temporal communication device.

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What was surprising, nay a wee bit appalling, was the ratio of conspiracy theories–and just plain “out there” speculation–to critical and/or scientific thought (Though if you read one article, the second post in the talkback, there’s a hilarious example of somebody who tried too hard to apply too much science to the problem, and winds up writing a lengthy discourse, nay manifesto, about Einstein and time and relativity and GPS satellites and the speed of light and… what were we talking about again?).
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I take comfort in the thought that blog commenters are not typical of the general population in this respect &#8212; that the medium gives them leave to go wacky, perhaps wackier than they are in person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve rearranged this a bit:</p>
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&#8220;Seriously? NOBODY could give an explanation better than that of a time-traveling cell phone user? Well web sites and surfers alike certainly offered up their speculation.</p>
<p>One simple “Where’s the cell tower?” comment (and thankfully there were some of these) in the articles’ talkbacks  should have been “End of subject”, at least as far as the object being any kind of communications device, and in too many cases it wasn’t. &#8221;
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<p>Once the premise of a time traveller is accepted, it seems illogical to doubt a trans-temporal communication device.</p>
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What was surprising, nay a wee bit appalling, was the ratio of conspiracy theories–and just plain “out there” speculation–to critical and/or scientific thought (Though if you read one article, the second post in the talkback, there’s a hilarious example of somebody who tried too hard to apply too much science to the problem, and winds up writing a lengthy discourse, nay manifesto, about Einstein and time and relativity and GPS satellites and the speed of light and… what were we talking about again?).
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<p>I take comfort in the thought that blog commenters are not typical of the general population in this respect &mdash; that the medium gives them leave to go wacky, perhaps wackier than they are in person.</p>
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		<title>By: Recent posts in pjilosophy of science : Emergent Hive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recent posts in pjilosophy of science : Emergent Hive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Improving Scientific Literacy or Charlie Chaplin Movies as &#8230; Knowing how science works This is more a matter of knowing a little of the philosophy of science (e.g. &#8216;The Scientific Method&#8217;, a matter of studying the work of Popper, Lakatos or Bacon). Knowing how science really works In many &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Recent posts in quantum physics : Emergent Hive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recent posts in quantum physics : Emergent Hive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Improving Scientific Literacy or Charlie Chaplin Movies as &#8230; Knowing how science works This is more a matter of knowing a little of the philosophy of science (e.g. &#8216;The Scientific Method&#8217;, a matter of studying the work of Popper, Lakatos or Bacon). Knowing how science really works In many &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Quick Links &#124; A Blog Around The Clock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quick Links &#124; A Blog Around The Clock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Improving Scientific Literacy… or Charlie Chaplin Movies as Science Fiction? Really? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: whoschad</title>
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		<dc:creator>whoschad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You obviously have not seen the movie &#039;The Circus&#039; if you call if &#039;not a particularly good one&#039;. It&#039;s hilarious. There&#039;s almost nothing funnier than the scene with Chaplin trying to walk a tightrope with monkeys crawling all over him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You obviously have not seen the movie &#8216;The Circus&#8217; if you call if &#8216;not a particularly good one&#8217;. It&#8217;s hilarious. There&#8217;s almost nothing funnier than the scene with Chaplin trying to walk a tightrope with monkeys crawling all over him.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was before &quot;talkies&quot;.
 
There was no sigma involved in holding a completely off-topic conversation while being filmed.
 
She was likely just speaking to someone off set and covered her mouth (poorly) so as not to distract from the cross-dimensional mutant zebra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was before &#8220;talkies&#8221;.</p>
<p>There was no sigma involved in holding a completely off-topic conversation while being filmed.</p>
<p>She was likely just speaking to someone off set and covered her mouth (poorly) so as not to distract from the cross-dimensional mutant zebra.</p>
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		<title>By: The Necromancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Necromancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 05:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Touché&lt;/i&gt;. A little healthy skepticism seems in short supply on this whole bizarre &quot;theory&quot;. And don&#039;t get me started on Daniel Pinchbeck. Anyway, maybe she&#039;s just touching her face!!! That weird zebra thing looks like it&#039;s from another planet, though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Touché</i>. A little healthy skepticism seems in short supply on this whole bizarre &#8220;theory&#8221;. And don&#8217;t get me started on Daniel Pinchbeck. Anyway, maybe she&#8217;s just touching her face!!! That weird zebra thing looks like it&#8217;s from another planet, though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Amos Zeeberg (Discover Web Editor)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amos Zeeberg (Discover Web Editor)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think she’s a delusional schoizophrenic, talking into a gerbil, thinking that she has a direct link to the Messiah. It’s a much more reasonable hypothesis than cell phone use.&quot; 

Heh.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think she’s a delusional schoizophrenic, talking into a gerbil, thinking that she has a direct link to the Messiah. It’s a much more reasonable hypothesis than cell phone use.&#8221; </p>
<p>Heh.</p>
<p>[Comment from the link in Coturnix's comment.]</p>
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		<title>By: Coturnix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coturnix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a good discussion (links in the post as well as in the comments section) of the Chaplin video solution &lt;a href=&quot;http://richardwiseman.wordpress.com/2010/10/28/chaplin-time-travel-video-solved/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a good discussion (links in the post as well as in the comments section) of the Chaplin video solution <a href="http://richardwiseman.wordpress.com/2010/10/28/chaplin-time-travel-video-solved/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think part of the issue is that people LIKE conspiracies. They make the world more interesting to them. The Mayan Calendar is in the same realm as the Easter Bunny and Santa -- if really pressed most folks would admit there&#039;s no such thing. But they&#039;ll go along with the joke anyway. 
I put Santa out at Christmas, too. And I&#039;ll watch pseudo-docs on the coming Armageddon with equal suspension of disbelief. The separation for most unscientific types is the pseudo-science surrounding some of these stories that lend an artificial credence. They can&#039;t possibly really believe in Santa -- but they can believe in fashon-challenged time-traveling cell phone users if they try hard enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of the issue is that people LIKE conspiracies. They make the world more interesting to them. The Mayan Calendar is in the same realm as the Easter Bunny and Santa &#8212; if really pressed most folks would admit there&#8217;s no such thing. But they&#8217;ll go along with the joke anyway.<br />
I put Santa out at Christmas, too. And I&#8217;ll watch pseudo-docs on the coming Armageddon with equal suspension of disbelief. The separation for most unscientific types is the pseudo-science surrounding some of these stories that lend an artificial credence. They can&#8217;t possibly really believe in Santa &#8212; but they can believe in fashon-challenged time-traveling cell phone users if they try hard enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you ever watch Doctor Who?  He used his sonic screwdriver to make the cell phone able to call from anywhere in the universe.  A little later in the movie you can see a blue box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you ever watch Doctor Who?  He used his sonic screwdriver to make the cell phone able to call from anywhere in the universe.  A little later in the movie you can see a blue box.</p>
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