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	<title>Comments on: Crazy or Brilliant? Proposal to Transport Food Around Britain in Underground Tubes</title>
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		<title>By: Erwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t we have such a system in place (agreed only used for larger volumes now) and isn&#039;t called railways? An extension to a more fine mazed grid is easily and much cheaper done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t we have such a system in place (agreed only used for larger volumes now) and isn&#8217;t called railways? An extension to a more fine mazed grid is easily and much cheaper done.</p>
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		<title>By: RockyRoad</title>
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		<dc:creator>RockyRoad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a mining engineer, I can tell you that drilling/excavating tunnels/tubes is very expensive, as is the cost of maintenance.  Alternatively, digging trenches from the surface in which to bury the tubes is a possibility, but that encroaches on significant private property or runs into other impediments such as buildings, roads, railroads, rivers, etc.

The energy to move the materials sent through the tubes has to come from somewhere--natural gas and other petroleum product pipelines have pumps that move that material.  The vast majority of the energy required to do this comes from carbon dixoide-emitting power sources somewhere (hydro, wind, and solar are nearly negligent in their contribution); the only other energy source is nuclear, which is in decline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a mining engineer, I can tell you that drilling/excavating tunnels/tubes is very expensive, as is the cost of maintenance.  Alternatively, digging trenches from the surface in which to bury the tubes is a possibility, but that encroaches on significant private property or runs into other impediments such as buildings, roads, railroads, rivers, etc.</p>
<p>The energy to move the materials sent through the tubes has to come from somewhere&#8211;natural gas and other petroleum product pipelines have pumps that move that material.  The vast majority of the energy required to do this comes from carbon dixoide-emitting power sources somewhere (hydro, wind, and solar are nearly negligent in their contribution); the only other energy source is nuclear, which is in decline.</p>
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		<title>By: Crazy or Brilliant? Proposal to Transport Food Around Britain in Underground Tubes Science Not Fiction Discover Magazine &#124; Chicago Mac/PC Support</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crazy or Brilliant? Proposal to Transport Food Around Britain in Underground Tubes Science Not Fiction Discover Magazine &#124; Chicago Mac/PC Support</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 03:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Crazy or Brilliant? Proposal to Transport Food Around Britain in Underground Tubes Science Not Ficti....  Sounds crazy right?  Why not general transportation of people as well?  That would be awesome! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Crazy or Brilliant? Proposal to Transport Food Around Britain in Underground Tubes Science Not Ficti&#8230;.  Sounds crazy right?  Why not general transportation of people as well?  That would be awesome! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be very silly to build a system like that just for food, it should instead be for general light freight.  And if it moves freight around so well, why not people too - a la Futurama?

They also have to weigh the costs of building and maintaining the thing, which I suspect would be prohibitive.  It&#039;s silly to compare it to systems that deliver gas or water - unless they envision everyone living on a diet of soylent sludge.

Last, I don&#039;t think many people will go for buying eggs, vegetables or meat products without seeing them first.   Many grocery stores will deliver, but few people take advantage of it even though it would save them time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be very silly to build a system like that just for food, it should instead be for general light freight.  And if it moves freight around so well, why not people too &#8211; a la Futurama?</p>
<p>They also have to weigh the costs of building and maintaining the thing, which I suspect would be prohibitive.  It&#8217;s silly to compare it to systems that deliver gas or water &#8211; unless they envision everyone living on a diet of soylent sludge.</p>
<p>Last, I don&#8217;t think many people will go for buying eggs, vegetables or meat products without seeing them first.   Many grocery stores will deliver, but few people take advantage of it even though it would save them time.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 20:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During WW2 There was a proposal to put British troops ashore (in Burma I think) by a similar method. Apparently the Japanese woulod  be so surprised by the sudden popping out of soldiers from the sea that victory would be easy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During WW2 There was a proposal to put British troops ashore (in Burma I think) by a similar method. Apparently the Japanese woulod  be so surprised by the sudden popping out of soldiers from the sea that victory would be easy</p>
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		<title>By: Miles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the idea, but if the food is going to be contained in capsules, why limit it to just food? Shouldn&#039;t it work for textiles and other manufactures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the idea, but if the food is going to be contained in capsules, why limit it to just food? Shouldn&#8217;t it work for textiles and other manufactures?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see it&#039;s more like the pneumatic tubes of the early 20th Century than the toothpaste faucet a comedian came up with. My first thought was &quot;Herring transported by tube is going to go bad before it can get there.&quot;

But how do Food Tubes compare to light rail? Since light rail is mostly radial to urban areas anyway, it might be a good ready-made system for carrying cargo into a city.

@ 7. Todd: The roads wouldn&#039;t have to be repaired as often either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see it&#8217;s more like the pneumatic tubes of the early 20th Century than the toothpaste faucet a comedian came up with. My first thought was &#8220;Herring transported by tube is going to go bad before it can get there.&#8221;</p>
<p>But how do Food Tubes compare to light rail? Since light rail is mostly radial to urban areas anyway, it might be a good ready-made system for carrying cargo into a city.</p>
<p>@ 7. Todd: The roads wouldn&#8217;t have to be repaired as often either.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To people who think this is ridiculous to propose cuz it&#039;s just food. Well, food is a kind of important thing wouldn&#039;t you agree? And though this would be very expensive to build it would probably be better and more efficient in the long run. Money would be saved because they wouldn&#039;t have to pay drivers to drive the food everywhere anymore, and the horrible traffic in London and Manchester would be severely cut into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To people who think this is ridiculous to propose cuz it&#8217;s just food. Well, food is a kind of important thing wouldn&#8217;t you agree? And though this would be very expensive to build it would probably be better and more efficient in the long run. Money would be saved because they wouldn&#8217;t have to pay drivers to drive the food everywhere anymore, and the horrible traffic in London and Manchester would be severely cut into.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(pressure)(volume) = energy, 101.325 J/liter-atm 
No energy is &quot;saved.&quot;

How will the tunnels be excavated?  Are the pipes free?  What happens when stateless Muslim terrorists dispatch a fleet of two-component expanding polyurethane foam bombs, er, improvised plugging devices, down the line?

Some yob caught the opening sequence to &lt;I&gt;Futurama&lt;/I&gt; and thought, &quot;Needs studies!&quot;

If solar-powered linear induction motors were used, and on-the-fly x-ray inspection stations were added, with pat-downs and feel-ups for every employee every hour, and a managerial chain of command were installed, and it was all unionized, and the Spare Heir volunteered for employment, and...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(pressure)(volume) = energy, 101.325 J/liter-atm<br />
No energy is &#8220;saved.&#8221;</p>
<p>How will the tunnels be excavated?  Are the pipes free?  What happens when stateless Muslim terrorists dispatch a fleet of two-component expanding polyurethane foam bombs, er, improvised plugging devices, down the line?</p>
<p>Some yob caught the opening sequence to <i>Futurama</i> and thought, &#8220;Needs studies!&#8221;</p>
<p>If solar-powered linear induction motors were used, and on-the-fly x-ray inspection stations were added, with pat-downs and feel-ups for every employee every hour, and a managerial chain of command were installed, and it was all unionized, and the Spare Heir volunteered for employment, and&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Crazy or Brilliant? Proposal to Transport Food Around Britain in Underground Tubes &#171; InnovEvolve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crazy or Brilliant? Proposal to Transport Food Around Britain in Underground Tubes &#171; InnovEvolve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Georg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy Crap!
Such an extremely expensive system just for food?
One has to be an imbecil to propose this.
Georg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy Crap!<br />
Such an extremely expensive system just for food?<br />
One has to be an imbecil to propose this.<br />
Georg</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why limit this to just food?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why limit this to just food?</p>
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		<title>By: Bigby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every new technology puts someone out of  business. It sucks for a while but then society readjusts and things go on. Those truck drivers wouldn&#039;t become suddenly unemployed because - even if it happens - and they may find it economically not feasible - it&#039;s pretty unlikely to happen as a flash-cut. Sections of network will go up a little at a time over the course of years and the impact to the trucking industry will be gradual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every new technology puts someone out of  business. It sucks for a while but then society readjusts and things go on. Those truck drivers wouldn&#8217;t become suddenly unemployed because &#8211; even if it happens &#8211; and they may find it economically not feasible &#8211; it&#8217;s pretty unlikely to happen as a flash-cut. Sections of network will go up a little at a time over the course of years and the impact to the trucking industry will be gradual.</p>
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		<title>By: David Jefferis</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Jefferis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 11:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting idea that reminds me of those vacuum-tube postal systems used in some of the big department stores of my extreme youth.

Video could be zingier though, and slightly odd that so many images are not of UK scenes or trucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting idea that reminds me of those vacuum-tube postal systems used in some of the big department stores of my extreme youth.</p>
<p>Video could be zingier though, and slightly odd that so many images are not of UK scenes or trucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 04:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hope they&#039;re better at designing tubes than videos. Yikes. I do like the idea, though! It reminds me of Looking Backward by Edward Bellamy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope they&#8217;re better at designing tubes than videos. Yikes. I do like the idea, though! It reminds me of Looking Backward by Edward Bellamy.</p>
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