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	<title>Comments on: Learning the Alien Language of Dolphins</title>
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		<title>By: V Paul Smith Jr</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/18/learning-the-alien-language-of-dolphins/#comment-4347</link>
		<dc:creator>V Paul Smith Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 06:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been saying for years that we should teach dolphins to teach us. They know their language pretty darn well. But since I&#039;m not a dolphin researcher my ideas went no where. Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been saying for years that we should teach dolphins to teach us. They know their language pretty darn well. But since I&#8217;m not a dolphin researcher my ideas went no where. Oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: V Paul Smith Jr</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/18/learning-the-alien-language-of-dolphins/#comment-4346</link>
		<dc:creator>V Paul Smith Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 05:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;nary impossible&quot;?  Does the author know what the word nary means, or how to use it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;nary impossible&#8221;?  Does the author know what the word nary means, or how to use it?</p>
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		<title>By: Johnyknowhow</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/18/learning-the-alien-language-of-dolphins/#comment-4345</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnyknowhow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking about this... i know this is a bit &quot;frankinstineish&quot; but after someone dies what if you took their vocal cords and replaced them with a dolphins... i know that sounds idiotic XD but it might just work... LOL  XD ive been having dreams about this...
-John E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking about this&#8230; i know this is a bit &#8220;frankinstineish&#8221; but after someone dies what if you took their vocal cords and replaced them with a dolphins&#8230; i know that sounds idiotic XD but it might just work&#8230; LOL  XD ive been having dreams about this&#8230;<br />
-John E</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/18/learning-the-alien-language-of-dolphins/#comment-4344</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Just found this blog, trawling through archives...)

Kyle,
&lt;i&gt;&quot;but I&#039;d rather we dumped the funds from our space exploration and focused instead on the oceans of Earth. We&#039;ve got enough aliens and unexplored frontier right here on two-thirds of our pale blue dot&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Sigh. Why space exploration? Why is it always NASA&amp;co that people target when they want &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; pet project funded.

Not once have I ever heard a space advocate bemoan the funding of Earth/Ocean Science. Not once have I heard them criticise research into animal language/behaviour. So why is our respect for other research rewarded by making us the target of contempt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Just found this blog, trawling through archives&#8230;)</p>
<p>Kyle,<br />
<i>&#8220;but I&#8217;d rather we dumped the funds from our space exploration and focused instead on the oceans of Earth. We&#8217;ve got enough aliens and unexplored frontier right here on two-thirds of our pale blue dot&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Sigh. Why space exploration? Why is it always NASA&amp;co that people target when they want <i>their</i> pet project funded.</p>
<p>Not once have I ever heard a space advocate bemoan the funding of Earth/Ocean Science. Not once have I heard them criticise research into animal language/behaviour. So why is our respect for other research rewarded by making us the target of contempt?</p>
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		<title>By: Anaimal News</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/18/learning-the-alien-language-of-dolphins/#comment-4343</link>
		<dc:creator>Anaimal News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 05:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very Very Interesting and Thoughtful Post Indeed!!!!!! This writeup has made me spared thought over this highly exciting chapter. I am an animal lover - have been experimenting with my dogs. I have discovered that its not only WORDS that they need to understand to carry out a task assigned by me. It&#039;s about the expressions too! I have learned that when I am happy, my pets seems to be happy and their eyes and facial expressions and body languages mirror their emotions. Contrary, when I am sad... they get dull too.  Communication between human and animals, I think, is like an invisible link - like &#039;LIGHT&#039;, which we cannot see; we can see things on which the light falls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very Very Interesting and Thoughtful Post Indeed!!!!!! This writeup has made me spared thought over this highly exciting chapter. I am an animal lover &#8211; have been experimenting with my dogs. I have discovered that its not only WORDS that they need to understand to carry out a task assigned by me. It&#8217;s about the expressions too! I have learned that when I am happy, my pets seems to be happy and their eyes and facial expressions and body languages mirror their emotions. Contrary, when I am sad&#8230; they get dull too.  Communication between human and animals, I think, is like an invisible link &#8211; like &#8216;LIGHT&#8217;, which we cannot see; we can see things on which the light falls.</p>
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		<title>By: amphiox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/18/learning-the-alien-language-of-dolphins/#comment-4342</link>
		<dc:creator>amphiox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 04:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“The question is not Can they reason? nor Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The link here is that is it that much easier to show that they can suffer if they can talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“The question is not Can they reason? nor Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?”</p></blockquote>
<p>The link here is that is it that much easier to show that they can suffer if they can talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Logan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/18/learning-the-alien-language-of-dolphins/#comment-4341</link>
		<dc:creator>Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an animal rights person, I don&#039;t agree that &quot;a real case that nonhuman persons should have limited rights&quot; (emphasis on real) could only be made if it were demonstrated that some nonhuman animal was intelligent or had a faculty with language. It would be the final nail in the coffin, I would hope, but numerous philosophers going back at least as far as Jeremy Bentham have cogently reasoned that, if anything, language ability is superfluous to the case for anyone being endowed with certain inalienable rights (like the right not to be owned and the right to life). &quot;The question is not Can they reason? nor Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?&quot; in Bentham&#039;s oft-quoted passage.

I won&#039;t hesitate to point out that if intelligence or language is the currency by which we weigh moral value, than you inevitably leave out many members of the human community, such as newborn infants and the severely mentally disabled (excluding extremes like embryos and the irreversibly brain-dead). It also poses interesting thought-experiment problems for transhumanists, if unenhanced humans ever had to plead the case for their continued existence and autonomy before skeptical &quot;intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic&quot;.


To comment on something else, I have also noticed and been annoyed by scenes, such as Han Solo&#039;s dialogue with Jabba the Hutt, in which the human can understand alien and the alien can understand human, and they both can pronounce each others&#039; words, and yet Han still speaks Basic and Jabba still speaks Huttese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an animal rights person, I don&#8217;t agree that &#8220;a real case that nonhuman persons should have limited rights&#8221; (emphasis on real) could only be made if it were demonstrated that some nonhuman animal was intelligent or had a faculty with language. It would be the final nail in the coffin, I would hope, but numerous philosophers going back at least as far as Jeremy Bentham have cogently reasoned that, if anything, language ability is superfluous to the case for anyone being endowed with certain inalienable rights (like the right not to be owned and the right to life). &#8220;The question is not Can they reason? nor Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?&#8221; in Bentham&#8217;s oft-quoted passage.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t hesitate to point out that if intelligence or language is the currency by which we weigh moral value, than you inevitably leave out many members of the human community, such as newborn infants and the severely mentally disabled (excluding extremes like embryos and the irreversibly brain-dead). It also poses interesting thought-experiment problems for transhumanists, if unenhanced humans ever had to plead the case for their continued existence and autonomy before skeptical &#8220;intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic&#8221;.</p>
<p>To comment on something else, I have also noticed and been annoyed by scenes, such as Han Solo&#8217;s dialogue with Jabba the Hutt, in which the human can understand alien and the alien can understand human, and they both can pronounce each others&#8217; words, and yet Han still speaks Basic and Jabba still speaks Huttese.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan L</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/18/learning-the-alien-language-of-dolphins/#comment-4340</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And after we learn how to communicate with dolphins,
we&#039;re going to give them jobs. Do you have any idea what
the unemployment rate among dolphins is?

I wonder if they&#039;ll ask us to let them out of their cages and
back into the ocean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And after we learn how to communicate with dolphins,<br />
we&#8217;re going to give them jobs. Do you have any idea what<br />
the unemployment rate among dolphins is?</p>
<p>I wonder if they&#8217;ll ask us to let them out of their cages and<br />
back into the ocean?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/18/learning-the-alien-language-of-dolphins/#comment-4339</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So long and thanks for all the fish! :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So long and thanks for all the fish! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs</a></p>
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		<title>By: bent</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/18/learning-the-alien-language-of-dolphins/#comment-4338</link>
		<dc:creator>bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In contrast to this work, there have been many serious attempts at understanding animal communication. More than 50 years ago Hubert and Mabel Frings studied the language of crows. (Frings, H &amp; M. Frings. 1959. The Language of Crows. Sc. Amer. 201 (5):119-131) More recently in his studies of ravens Bernd Heinrich has come to understand many raven calls. Many studies of wolves include interpretation of wolf communications. Etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In contrast to this work, there have been many serious attempts at understanding animal communication. More than 50 years ago Hubert and Mabel Frings studied the language of crows. (Frings, H &amp; M. Frings. 1959. The Language of Crows. Sc. Amer. 201 (5):119-131) More recently in his studies of ravens Bernd Heinrich has come to understand many raven calls. Many studies of wolves include interpretation of wolf communications. Etc.</p>
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