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		<title>By: Leo Leshko</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/22/designer-babies-will-be-godless-achievement-machines/#comment-4374</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo Leshko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey and appreciate your information - I have definitely picked up something totally new through here. I however discovered some techie difficulties browsing this website. I have been thinking about whether your internet hosting is fine? Not I am filing a complaint, but poor loading times may probably affect your ranking bing and might harm your good quality content on this site. Anyway I am putting this RSS to my personal reader and can look out for more of your helpful posts..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey and appreciate your information &#8211; I have definitely picked up something totally new through here. I however discovered some techie difficulties browsing this website. I have been thinking about whether your internet hosting is fine? Not I am filing a complaint, but poor loading times may probably affect your ranking bing and might harm your good quality content on this site. Anyway I am putting this RSS to my personal reader and can look out for more of your helpful posts..</p>
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		<title>By: Hmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 04:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real problem with designer babies is that only the rich will be able to afford them.  The upper class will become immortal, super-intelligent post-humans, while the rest of us toil and die for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real problem with designer babies is that only the rich will be able to afford them.  The upper class will become immortal, super-intelligent post-humans, while the rest of us toil and die for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 04:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just looking for some statistics/figures on how many eggs are used on average per year - how many are discarded? need information to provide accurate research for school project - for and against designer babies? Cannot find any figures anywhere??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just looking for some statistics/figures on how many eggs are used on average per year &#8211; how many are discarded? need information to provide accurate research for school project &#8211; for and against designer babies? Cannot find any figures anywhere??</p>
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		<title>By: Eleanor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/22/designer-babies-will-be-godless-achievement-machines/#comment-4371</link>
		<dc:creator>Eleanor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 09:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m probably way off track here, but isn&#039;t AI are a crude form of genetic engineering/ designer baby? Rather than selecting randomly from the available pool of men, there are pretty strict regulations about sperm doners being disease free and, at least in private clinics, it is possible to select potential doners on the basis of height, looks, hair colour, ethnicity etc. Why was this not the &#039;moral slippery slope down which we must not venture&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m probably way off track here, but isn&#8217;t AI are a crude form of genetic engineering/ designer baby? Rather than selecting randomly from the available pool of men, there are pretty strict regulations about sperm doners being disease free and, at least in private clinics, it is possible to select potential doners on the basis of height, looks, hair colour, ethnicity etc. Why was this not the &#8216;moral slippery slope down which we must not venture&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Brown</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/22/designer-babies-will-be-godless-achievement-machines/#comment-4370</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 01:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the idea of a government mandate to produce super children is quite frankly ridiculous the idea that parents will select for traits that may result in such a world isn&#039;t.

Genetic engineering will, at least at first, be used by parents on their children and as such parents will likely select for traits that they feel give there child the greatest chance of success in life.  After all this is what parents already do in the form of extracurricular activities, summer camps and college prep courses and there is little reason to think this new tool will not find a similar use.  If we look at what our society currently values (the acquisition of wealth and status) its not too far of a stretch to say that we may end up with a world of wunderkids simply as a result of what more or less amounts to a form of natural selection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the idea of a government mandate to produce super children is quite frankly ridiculous the idea that parents will select for traits that may result in such a world isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Genetic engineering will, at least at first, be used by parents on their children and as such parents will likely select for traits that they feel give there child the greatest chance of success in life.  After all this is what parents already do in the form of extracurricular activities, summer camps and college prep courses and there is little reason to think this new tool will not find a similar use.  If we look at what our society currently values (the acquisition of wealth and status) its not too far of a stretch to say that we may end up with a world of wunderkids simply as a result of what more or less amounts to a form of natural selection.</p>
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		<title>By: Abelard Lindsey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/22/designer-babies-will-be-godless-achievement-machines/#comment-4369</link>
		<dc:creator>Abelard Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think religion will disappear. Rather, religion will evolve into new forms based on higher standards and logical self-consistency. It is not possible to guess what the beliefs of people with a 300 IQ will be. It is reasonable to assume that such people will think fundamentally different than people today. No doubt people with IQ&#039;s of 300 will come up with more efficient forms of social organizations that we cannot even guess at today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think religion will disappear. Rather, religion will evolve into new forms based on higher standards and logical self-consistency. It is not possible to guess what the beliefs of people with a 300 IQ will be. It is reasonable to assume that such people will think fundamentally different than people today. No doubt people with IQ&#8217;s of 300 will come up with more efficient forms of social organizations that we cannot even guess at today.</p>
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		<title>By: Minerva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minerva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 17:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Munkittrick,

Thanks again for taking the time to read my response to this post.  I wanted to alert you to a comment I posted over on Mr. Lawler&#039;s follow-up post to my post.  He has made some assertions about my intent in writing the post with which I disagreed (particularly one assertion that I was intending to call you intolerant), and I hope I made him aware of the way he was skewing my words to support his own intent.  I look forward to your post in response to mine, and I hope you that you are enjoying your weekend.

Cheers,
Minerva</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Munkittrick,</p>
<p>Thanks again for taking the time to read my response to this post.  I wanted to alert you to a comment I posted over on Mr. Lawler&#8217;s follow-up post to my post.  He has made some assertions about my intent in writing the post with which I disagreed (particularly one assertion that I was intending to call you intolerant), and I hope I made him aware of the way he was skewing my words to support his own intent.  I look forward to your post in response to mine, and I hope you that you are enjoying your weekend.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Minerva</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Munkittrick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/22/designer-babies-will-be-godless-achievement-machines/#comment-4367</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Munkittrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ian: Normally I wouldn&#039;t reply to a Christian commenter, but you&#039;ve been quite polite so I feel compelled to respond. First, thank you for being cordial and articulate.

Second, yes, I have consulted the primary texts. Without a laundry list, I&#039;ve read the Book cover to cover (Catholic, Mormon, and some apocryphal books as well), big chunks of the Talmud and Haggadah, Quran, and commenters ranging from Origen and Valentinus up through Augustine, Aquinas, Charles Taylor and Alvin Plantinga. Let&#039;s not pretend I&#039;m coming at Catholicism from a position of ignorance.

Third, my point is that your religious perspective should have no impact on our laws and social moral structure. You can certainly use it as a personal ethic, but just secularism demands evidence and logic to determine right action. As religion specifically demands faith (which is a step beyond evidence and logic) it should not be relevant to discussions of ethics. Was that point made with a bit more venom in the post? yes. It&#039;s for effect.

Fourth, as for &quot;fictive&quot; burden of proof, it&#039;s on you. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Finally, I have a low tolerance for religious conservatives who insist on universalizing their perspectives in areas of science. Scientific ethics are based on logic, not divine fiat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ian: Normally I wouldn&#8217;t reply to a Christian commenter, but you&#8217;ve been quite polite so I feel compelled to respond. First, thank you for being cordial and articulate.</p>
<p>Second, yes, I have consulted the primary texts. Without a laundry list, I&#8217;ve read the Book cover to cover (Catholic, Mormon, and some apocryphal books as well), big chunks of the Talmud and Haggadah, Quran, and commenters ranging from Origen and Valentinus up through Augustine, Aquinas, Charles Taylor and Alvin Plantinga. Let&#8217;s not pretend I&#8217;m coming at Catholicism from a position of ignorance.</p>
<p>Third, my point is that your religious perspective should have no impact on our laws and social moral structure. You can certainly use it as a personal ethic, but just secularism demands evidence and logic to determine right action. As religion specifically demands faith (which is a step beyond evidence and logic) it should not be relevant to discussions of ethics. Was that point made with a bit more venom in the post? yes. It&#8217;s for effect.</p>
<p>Fourth, as for &#8220;fictive&#8221; burden of proof, it&#8217;s on you. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.</p>
<p>Finally, I have a low tolerance for religious conservatives who insist on universalizing their perspectives in areas of science. Scientific ethics are based on logic, not divine fiat.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillinthebox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillinthebox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You go Kyle....This is the &quot;science not fiction&quot; blog.... right? not the &quot;religion is non-fiction&quot; site....Just say&#039;in</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You go Kyle&#8230;.This is the &#8220;science not fiction&#8221; blog&#8230;. right? not the &#8220;religion is non-fiction&#8221; site&#8230;.Just say&#8217;in</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@7, I appreciate where you are coming from, but I believe Kyle has bypassed any review or critical analysis of the &#039;book&#039;s in question and their authors.

From a Catholic perspective the Church would not fall into the category you describe - i.e. “I have a book now prove it is not true”. The Church&#039;s teachings on the Bible and its development are available for all to read from the Vatican&#039;s website and supported by many Catholic apologists. Kyle&#039;s criticism of, for example, Catholic teaching which he would consider to be one of many &#039;fictive texts&#039; does not reference this material.

I dare say that if Kyle was to critique a scientific process, say the oxidation of copper, he would reference the appropriate research papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@7, I appreciate where you are coming from, but I believe Kyle has bypassed any review or critical analysis of the &#8216;book&#8217;s in question and their authors.</p>
<p>From a Catholic perspective the Church would not fall into the category you describe &#8211; i.e. “I have a book now prove it is not true”. The Church&#8217;s teachings on the Bible and its development are available for all to read from the Vatican&#8217;s website and supported by many Catholic apologists. Kyle&#8217;s criticism of, for example, Catholic teaching which he would consider to be one of many &#8216;fictive texts&#8217; does not reference this material.</p>
<p>I dare say that if Kyle was to critique a scientific process, say the oxidation of copper, he would reference the appropriate research papers.</p>
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