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		<title>By: Valkyrie Ice</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/28/how-conservatives-view-human-enhancement/#comment-4414</link>
		<dc:creator>Valkyrie Ice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 01:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will point out YET again how ridiculous fears of &quot;Genetic Supermen&quot; are in this day and age.

Say you create a &quot;Perfect Human&quot; who is genius IQ, physically superior, and all around &quot;better&quot; than a modern human.

Scary hummm?

Now let&#039;s look at the reality. In the 20 years it will take him to grow up, we will have perfected exoskeletons and other forms of augmentation that will eliminate his &quot;superior physical traits&quot;, have created BCI that will negate his &quot;superior mental traits&quot;, and have perfected retroactive genesplicing in adults that will negate even his &quot;superior genes&quot; because EVERYONE could have them.

Now, to top this off, we will have created medical technologies that will enable humans to reshape nearly every detail of their body, meaning that even our &quot;superman&quot; might seek to change his own &quot;genetic code&quot; to upgrade it to what will be possible 20 years from now.

Back in the 20-30&#039;s such fears might have actually meant something. Today, they are a pathetic joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will point out YET again how ridiculous fears of &#8220;Genetic Supermen&#8221; are in this day and age.</p>
<p>Say you create a &#8220;Perfect Human&#8221; who is genius IQ, physically superior, and all around &#8220;better&#8221; than a modern human.</p>
<p>Scary hummm?</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s look at the reality. In the 20 years it will take him to grow up, we will have perfected exoskeletons and other forms of augmentation that will eliminate his &#8220;superior physical traits&#8221;, have created BCI that will negate his &#8220;superior mental traits&#8221;, and have perfected retroactive genesplicing in adults that will negate even his &#8220;superior genes&#8221; because EVERYONE could have them.</p>
<p>Now, to top this off, we will have created medical technologies that will enable humans to reshape nearly every detail of their body, meaning that even our &#8220;superman&#8221; might seek to change his own &#8220;genetic code&#8221; to upgrade it to what will be possible 20 years from now.</p>
<p>Back in the 20-30&#8242;s such fears might have actually meant something. Today, they are a pathetic joke.</p>
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		<title>By: John Howard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/28/how-conservatives-view-human-enhancement/#comment-4413</link>
		<dc:creator>John Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 20:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come no one ever considers the positive effects of prohibiting genetic enhancement? People always compare a better enhanced future to the status quo, but, since genetic enhancement is currently legal, it really IS the status quo. We really should be comparing the status quo to the future we could have if we prohibited genetic enhancement. If we prohibited genetic enhancement, we could resolve the same-sex marriage debate with a Civil Union compromise based on preserving marriage&#039;s procreation rights (that&#039;s my goal at my eggandsperm.org site) and we could focus our resources on medicine for actual people instead of burning tons of carbon on genetic enhancement research. And the international benefits that would come from the shift in our nation&#039;s goals would be huge, possibly ending jihad and bringing rational sanity to conflicts all over the world. And the benefits to everyone&#039;s psyche and emotional state would be very huge also, we would all feel the respect of our equality and dignity and that would surely translate into our actions in the world, as our angst and apathy is replaced by the call of care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come no one ever considers the positive effects of prohibiting genetic enhancement? People always compare a better enhanced future to the status quo, but, since genetic enhancement is currently legal, it really IS the status quo. We really should be comparing the status quo to the future we could have if we prohibited genetic enhancement. If we prohibited genetic enhancement, we could resolve the same-sex marriage debate with a Civil Union compromise based on preserving marriage&#8217;s procreation rights (that&#8217;s my goal at my eggandsperm.org site) and we could focus our resources on medicine for actual people instead of burning tons of carbon on genetic enhancement research. And the international benefits that would come from the shift in our nation&#8217;s goals would be huge, possibly ending jihad and bringing rational sanity to conflicts all over the world. And the benefits to everyone&#8217;s psyche and emotional state would be very huge also, we would all feel the respect of our equality and dignity and that would surely translate into our actions in the world, as our angst and apathy is replaced by the call of care.</p>
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		<title>By: HerodotusMao</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/28/how-conservatives-view-human-enhancement/#comment-4412</link>
		<dc:creator>HerodotusMao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will B says:

&quot;As far back as ancient Greece, the aristocrats could always be identified by physical beauty and the commoners by their lack thereof...&quot;

Really? What crazy history book did you learn this in? You ever heard of Death Masks? Pretty cool stuff, since they actually let us know exactly what say, the Ancient Romans actually looked like. Lets just say that being able to get the pretty girl into bed thanks to wealth and power does not make you attractive yourself. And what is true then is true today. How many lookers do we have in the US House? The US Senate? Most of these people are hideous looking, and they have millions in corporate &quot;donation&quot; money to spend on their appearance.

&quot;Even now, it’s not too hard to see if someone’s had some aristocratic breeding at some point.&quot;

Yeah, those are the kids that when they fall down, they never stop bleeding. Those pesky recessive traits and inbreeding...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will B says:</p>
<p>&#8220;As far back as ancient Greece, the aristocrats could always be identified by physical beauty and the commoners by their lack thereof&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? What crazy history book did you learn this in? You ever heard of Death Masks? Pretty cool stuff, since they actually let us know exactly what say, the Ancient Romans actually looked like. Lets just say that being able to get the pretty girl into bed thanks to wealth and power does not make you attractive yourself. And what is true then is true today. How many lookers do we have in the US House? The US Senate? Most of these people are hideous looking, and they have millions in corporate &#8220;donation&#8221; money to spend on their appearance.</p>
<p>&#8220;Even now, it’s not too hard to see if someone’s had some aristocratic breeding at some point.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, those are the kids that when they fall down, they never stop bleeding. Those pesky recessive traits and inbreeding&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: HerodotusMao</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/28/how-conservatives-view-human-enhancement/#comment-4411</link>
		<dc:creator>HerodotusMao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this entire argument hilarious.

&quot;Oh, we don&#039;t want to mess around with human genes...&quot;

Meanwhile, in both more civilized countries and less &quot;morally conflicted&quot; ones, research continues on.

Chinese kids are already far smarter and work far harder than their American counterparts thanks to the steady defunding of public education. So what happens when these Chinese kids also become say, far more resistant to illness, require less sleep, and are overall ever more intellectually advanced than they are already?

Man, America is really, really, really not going to like becoming a third world nation. Why do we always feel the need to speed up the process?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this entire argument hilarious.</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, we don&#8217;t want to mess around with human genes&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Meanwhile, in both more civilized countries and less &#8220;morally conflicted&#8221; ones, research continues on.</p>
<p>Chinese kids are already far smarter and work far harder than their American counterparts thanks to the steady defunding of public education. So what happens when these Chinese kids also become say, far more resistant to illness, require less sleep, and are overall ever more intellectually advanced than they are already?</p>
<p>Man, America is really, really, really not going to like becoming a third world nation. Why do we always feel the need to speed up the process?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/28/how-conservatives-view-human-enhancement/#comment-4410</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who has definitely not won the genetic lottery, I can say without reservation that such knowledge has been one reason for me not wanting to procreate. People with a strong genetic lineage of debilitating and/or deadly conditions need to heavily weigh such matters.

To me, human enhancement can go a long way in dealing with matters that can have a negative, daily effect on many lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has definitely not won the genetic lottery, I can say without reservation that such knowledge has been one reason for me not wanting to procreate. People with a strong genetic lineage of debilitating and/or deadly conditions need to heavily weigh such matters.</p>
<p>To me, human enhancement can go a long way in dealing with matters that can have a negative, daily effect on many lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/28/how-conservatives-view-human-enhancement/#comment-4409</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 19:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guns don&#039;t kill people; people kill people.

Bioengineering doesn&#039;t create monsters; only people can create monsters. Make the actions illegal, not the technology.

How&#039;s that for a conservative one-liner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guns don&#8217;t kill people; people kill people.</p>
<p>Bioengineering doesn&#8217;t create monsters; only people can create monsters. Make the actions illegal, not the technology.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s that for a conservative one-liner.</p>
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		<title>By: Will B</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/28/how-conservatives-view-human-enhancement/#comment-4408</link>
		<dc:creator>Will B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 18:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike B: The thing is that there&#039;s always been a physical difference between rich and poor. As far back as ancient Greece, the aristocrats could always be identified by physical beauty and the commoners by their lack thereof (not to say that this was a universal rule or that it made either one better or worse yadayadayada). Even now, it&#039;s not too hard to see if someone&#039;s had some aristocratic breeding at some point. Because not too long ago, eugenics was popular in the upper classes. So it wouldn&#039;t exactly be different to now...

And I&#039;m not classist, this is just based on observation and knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike B: The thing is that there&#8217;s always been a physical difference between rich and poor. As far back as ancient Greece, the aristocrats could always be identified by physical beauty and the commoners by their lack thereof (not to say that this was a universal rule or that it made either one better or worse yadayadayada). Even now, it&#8217;s not too hard to see if someone&#8217;s had some aristocratic breeding at some point. Because not too long ago, eugenics was popular in the upper classes. So it wouldn&#8217;t exactly be different to now&#8230;</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not classist, this is just based on observation and knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike B</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/02/28/how-conservatives-view-human-enhancement/#comment-4407</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one issue I have seen raised with bioengineering that I find legitimate is the concern over it further dividing haves and have-nots. It&#039;s probably a fair bet whatever methods are developed will cost a pretty penny, especially if they aren&#039;t covered (one would think any sane insurance agency would prefer to pay for engineering out genetic illnesses over the usually higher cost of treating them, but...). At best, where the main benefit is curing genetic disease, that would further increase the divide in health between rich and poor, which already costs the latter several years in lifespan relative to the former. If science does somehow work out how to not just fix defective genetic traits but actually enhance them, you could wind up with a situation where wealth becomes a factor in physical/mental superiority. How bad will classism get if the rich can look at the poor and see people who are dumber/weaker/etc. than them? I suspect these concerns are gonna be far in the future given the current tech, and probably there are biological reasons why we can&#039;t just engineer &quot;better&quot; humans, but it&#039;s still a very real issue I think given the results seen already of the current differences in health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one issue I have seen raised with bioengineering that I find legitimate is the concern over it further dividing haves and have-nots. It&#8217;s probably a fair bet whatever methods are developed will cost a pretty penny, especially if they aren&#8217;t covered (one would think any sane insurance agency would prefer to pay for engineering out genetic illnesses over the usually higher cost of treating them, but&#8230;). At best, where the main benefit is curing genetic disease, that would further increase the divide in health between rich and poor, which already costs the latter several years in lifespan relative to the former. If science does somehow work out how to not just fix defective genetic traits but actually enhance them, you could wind up with a situation where wealth becomes a factor in physical/mental superiority. How bad will classism get if the rich can look at the poor and see people who are dumber/weaker/etc. than them? I suspect these concerns are gonna be far in the future given the current tech, and probably there are biological reasons why we can&#8217;t just engineer &#8220;better&#8221; humans, but it&#8217;s still a very real issue I think given the results seen already of the current differences in health care.</p>
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		<title>By: Martijn ter Haar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martijn ter Haar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 14:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no doubt that bio-engineering done right is a positive thing for humankind. I do however have serious whether our political system is able to implement this with the right ethical safeguards. The last few years I&#039;ve seen countless where the haves manipulated the system in their favour against the have-nots. If the government of Iceland, probably the best functioning democracy in the world, cannot prevent their big banks from ruining the country, how can we be so sure that the governments of Italy, Mexico or Indonesia will implement and enforce ethical standards for bio-engineering  that benefit everyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt that bio-engineering done right is a positive thing for humankind. I do however have serious whether our political system is able to implement this with the right ethical safeguards. The last few years I&#8217;ve seen countless where the haves manipulated the system in their favour against the have-nots. If the government of Iceland, probably the best functioning democracy in the world, cannot prevent their big banks from ruining the country, how can we be so sure that the governments of Italy, Mexico or Indonesia will implement and enforce ethical standards for bio-engineering  that benefit everyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 13:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to have no trouble stereotyping conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to have no trouble stereotyping conservatives.</p>
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