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	<title>Comments on: What Would Humanity Be Like Without Aging?</title>
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		<title>By: Abelard Lindsey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/09/09/what-would-humanity-be-like-without-aging/#comment-5879</link>
		<dc:creator>Abelard Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best SF depiction of greatly extended lifespans is Peter Hamilton&#039;s &quot;Commonwealth&quot; novels (Pandora&#039;s Star and Judas Unchained). These present a society not much different than our own, except for greatly expanded opportunities and choices for individuals. Its a society I would gladly live in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best SF depiction of greatly extended lifespans is Peter Hamilton&#8217;s &#8220;Commonwealth&#8221; novels (Pandora&#8217;s Star and Judas Unchained). These present a society not much different than our own, except for greatly expanded opportunities and choices for individuals. Its a society I would gladly live in.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/09/09/what-would-humanity-be-like-without-aging/#comment-5876</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 00:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently finished reading Robots and Empire.  There again it dealt with greatly extended lifespans and the social &amp; geopolitical consequences of long life.

Of course all this assumes that we will alter our behaviour in order to deal with the population issues.  Rather than letting nature take it&#039;s course.  It&#039;s a reasonable supposition, but people have sometimes done unreasonable things too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently finished reading Robots and Empire.  There again it dealt with greatly extended lifespans and the social &amp; geopolitical consequences of long life.</p>
<p>Of course all this assumes that we will alter our behaviour in order to deal with the population issues.  Rather than letting nature take it&#8217;s course.  It&#8217;s a reasonable supposition, but people have sometimes done unreasonable things too.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/09/09/what-would-humanity-be-like-without-aging/#comment-5873</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the themes in Against the Fall of Night was the consequences of immortality.  Birth rates fell to zero, or nearly so, rates of social change greatly decreased, and children nearly disappeared from society.

The net effect was great stability but also great stagnation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the themes in Against the Fall of Night was the consequences of immortality.  Birth rates fell to zero, or nearly so, rates of social change greatly decreased, and children nearly disappeared from society.</p>
<p>The net effect was great stability but also great stagnation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Flisser</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/09/09/what-would-humanity-be-like-without-aging/#comment-5872</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Flisser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris -- spot on. Torchwood: Miracle Day is exactly what I was going to say. Not a pretty picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris &#8212; spot on. Torchwood: Miracle Day is exactly what I was going to say. Not a pretty picture.</p>
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		<title>By: AHodge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/09/09/what-would-humanity-be-like-without-aging/#comment-5871</link>
		<dc:creator>AHodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if something like this comes at 2019
it will likely cost $ 2 million a year or whatever
but somewhat like great wealth
i  think could also handle life extension gracefully.. so i am open, yes i am.
all the other problems mainly happen if &quot;everyone&quot; does it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if something like this comes at 2019<br />
it will likely cost $ 2 million a year or whatever<br />
but somewhat like great wealth<br />
i  think could also handle life extension gracefully.. so i am open, yes i am.<br />
all the other problems mainly happen if &#8220;everyone&#8221; does it</p>
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		<title>By: wally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/09/09/what-would-humanity-be-like-without-aging/#comment-5870</link>
		<dc:creator>wally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting philosophical &#039;meanings&#039; on death completely misses the reason for the necessity of death. Without death of its individual members, no species could survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting philosophical &#8216;meanings&#8217; on death completely misses the reason for the necessity of death. Without death of its individual members, no species could survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Tulegit Taquit</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/09/09/what-would-humanity-be-like-without-aging/#comment-5869</link>
		<dc:creator>Tulegit Taquit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 00:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you&#039;ll die before you can write another horrible review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you&#8217;ll die before you can write another horrible review.</p>
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		<title>By: yogi-one</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/09/09/what-would-humanity-be-like-without-aging/#comment-5868</link>
		<dc:creator>yogi-one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s quaint idea that aging is simply caused by one gene. Great for a book or movie. The reality is of course, more complex.  I don&#039;t doubt that humans, with added technological and mental evolution, could live much longer (like two centuries or so). This would drastically alter human society.

But in genetics, as in other sciences, the devil is in the details. Stopping aging completely may not be possible at all, as aging may turn out to be more of an inter-relatedness of very many complex processes going on in the body, instead of a single binary switch mechanism.

And the meaning derived from death is, I think, colossal. If you have been around half-a-century or more, you have seen your own viewpoint on both life and death change quite a bit. When I was younger death seemed very far away. I was willing to do far more dangerous things than I would now, simply because it didn&#039;t occur to me that I could die by such risk-taking. Stuff like holding your breath until you pass out - driving a curvy mountain road as fast as you can just for the hell of it, seeing how much beer you can really actually drink in one night - all that kind of thrill seeking stuff that appeals to youth.

Death has given great meaning to my life.

At my age I can say this: death no longer seems like a negative to me. Existentially it is negative: death is the ultimate &#039;&quot;NOT&quot;. But in terms of how it affects me emotionally, I will say that now it gives me great energy, it increases my appreciation of life, increases my compassion, my tolerance of others and of society in general (with all it&#039;s problems).

Whatever wisdom I have, I cannot say for sure (not even close to certainty) that without death I would have acquired the same wisdom.

If death is truly the flipside of life, then a real question is whether, even genetically/biologically, it is possible to have life without death.

You could say that some single-celled organisms, since they just divide, then technically, they have life without death. I&#039;d argue that the bifurcation is itself a death of the one that existed before the split.

As for not aging, a civilization that always looks 18, or whatever age is considered the most desirable, I think would soon transform into a civilization quite unlike anything we have ever had before. Since only suicide and accidents would cause death, you&#039;d have people everywhere - the population explosion would dwarf even what we are seeing now in Africa and India.

Perhaps disease plagues would occasionally wipe out large swaths of people, but still, you&#039;d see population expansion rates far beyond anything we have today.

I think that civilization is pretty much unimaginable to most of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s quaint idea that aging is simply caused by one gene. Great for a book or movie. The reality is of course, more complex.  I don&#8217;t doubt that humans, with added technological and mental evolution, could live much longer (like two centuries or so). This would drastically alter human society.</p>
<p>But in genetics, as in other sciences, the devil is in the details. Stopping aging completely may not be possible at all, as aging may turn out to be more of an inter-relatedness of very many complex processes going on in the body, instead of a single binary switch mechanism.</p>
<p>And the meaning derived from death is, I think, colossal. If you have been around half-a-century or more, you have seen your own viewpoint on both life and death change quite a bit. When I was younger death seemed very far away. I was willing to do far more dangerous things than I would now, simply because it didn&#8217;t occur to me that I could die by such risk-taking. Stuff like holding your breath until you pass out &#8211; driving a curvy mountain road as fast as you can just for the hell of it, seeing how much beer you can really actually drink in one night &#8211; all that kind of thrill seeking stuff that appeals to youth.</p>
<p>Death has given great meaning to my life.</p>
<p>At my age I can say this: death no longer seems like a negative to me. Existentially it is negative: death is the ultimate &#8216;&#8221;NOT&#8221;. But in terms of how it affects me emotionally, I will say that now it gives me great energy, it increases my appreciation of life, increases my compassion, my tolerance of others and of society in general (with all it&#8217;s problems).</p>
<p>Whatever wisdom I have, I cannot say for sure (not even close to certainty) that without death I would have acquired the same wisdom.</p>
<p>If death is truly the flipside of life, then a real question is whether, even genetically/biologically, it is possible to have life without death.</p>
<p>You could say that some single-celled organisms, since they just divide, then technically, they have life without death. I&#8217;d argue that the bifurcation is itself a death of the one that existed before the split.</p>
<p>As for not aging, a civilization that always looks 18, or whatever age is considered the most desirable, I think would soon transform into a civilization quite unlike anything we have ever had before. Since only suicide and accidents would cause death, you&#8217;d have people everywhere &#8211; the population explosion would dwarf even what we are seeing now in Africa and India.</p>
<p>Perhaps disease plagues would occasionally wipe out large swaths of people, but still, you&#8217;d see population expansion rates far beyond anything we have today.</p>
<p>I think that civilization is pretty much unimaginable to most of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Abelard Lindsey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/09/09/what-would-humanity-be-like-without-aging/#comment-5867</link>
		<dc:creator>Abelard Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree completely. I derive no meaning from death, nor do I define myself by any limitations or by living within a fixed boundary. For me, openness and the unlimited personal future is what gives meaning to me. My self-image and identity is based on openness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree completely. I derive no meaning from death, nor do I define myself by any limitations or by living within a fixed boundary. For me, openness and the unlimited personal future is what gives meaning to me. My self-image and identity is based on openness.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*off topic* fyi cutting off RSS is going to cost you readers (already is)</description>
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